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I’m surprised this isn’t just an included feature on all iPhones. In two years from now there will be stories of people who died in remote situations because their emergency SOS coverage lapsed because Apple wanted to charge extra. It will be in very poor taste for Apple to charge extra for an emergency feature… I don’t believe they’ve ever done this before.
There’s no *right* to communicate via satellite for free.
 
>Crash Detection is a new feature that pairs with emergency satellite, as it allows you to get help even if you crash in a remote location.

Is it true? I saw smth like "crash detection alerts use cellular or wi-fi", not the satellite SOS
 
It’s a huge miss not to have the satellite connectivity on an $800 Apple Watch Ultra! 🤦🏼🙄🤷🏼🤔 premium pricing but lacking this one premium feature it needs. No mention of 5G for the watches either…
 
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I was holding back from buying the Garmin device so I could know what apple offers. It’s much inferior to garmin. Garmin uses a much better iridium network that has greater coverage and doesn’t require you to point the sky certain angle. It also allows you to message anyone in the world and receive text message from anyone. It’s more expensive but if those features are important , then you have the choice. With apple you can text ur friend socially in the middle of desert or ocean.
I put my trusty InReach mini on eBay and will be upgrading to iPhone 14 pro just for this.

I have been paying $150/year for the past 10 years to InReach just to have the insurance when hiking. Not needing to carry another device with me and (for now) pay for another subscription is worth sacrificing the more versatile messaging capabilities of InReach.
 
Starlink seems like 100x better solution without all these workaround that apple had to implement. T-mobile definitely scored a huge win with this exclusive. Apple needs to call up Elon to get that integrated for all.
I will get it (swithcing to T-Mobile) the second it is available. Knowing “Musk timelines”, I will not be holding my breath. Maybe they will show a demo in 12 months, but I’ll be very surprised if all customers can reliably send messages by mid 2024.

T-Mobile will do the integration: with this there is a good chance that it will succeed. Assuming spacex will be able to get their LEO 5G “link tower” to work.
 
I hear it’s in a limited beta right now, beyond that there’s no comment on it as a future venture…

You have exceptional ears: hearing sound of future.

Not a single gen 2 satellite has been launched yet. SpaceX do not even have the launch vehicle built for launching those very big satellites.

And you will need a constellation of at least a few dozen satellites to cover US. Probably hundreds.

So quite early for a limited beta.
 
So, IMHO and limited engineering expertise, they have enabled some true Sat radio, sat comms and Sat antennae into the device.. FREE for the first tow years, means there will most likely be an annual subscription going forward to FURTHER the capability- although technically it should always BE there.. I expect and annual sub for this extended capability to be $99-$149 going forward… clearly only someone who thinks these are going to be OFTEN OFF the grid would further subscribe.

But, the additional think/feature is that this sort of EMERGENCY RESCUE is really going to COST YOU… not from apple but from emergency services, or providers. Could be $5000 could be $15000 depending on location, situation, other factors. So, I would expect that APPLE with some other providers is probably going to be offering some SOS/INSURANCE services that one can buy as add-ons to the 24 month free service, or extended service that will be another $199-$399 for insurance against the cost of having to be picked up off Mt. (insert NA/CA mountain here)… so overall it will be cool and easy, and overall it will be easier and maybe CHEAPER than getting all this from various providers, but overall it’s just more margin to the bottom line which is good for apple..
Sorry for those of you living in countries where these services are not covered by the government. In my country, you are rescued by regular police forces, free of charge.
 
Wonder what the 'free for two years' means?
I think it should form part of iCloud+ services, for anyone paying on the top two tiers.

(Where are the higher iCloud+ Drive storage tiers...? I have an 8TB MBP and need more! So why not offer this to those who need it and want to pay for it?! Money left on table, again. Bizarre.)
It means that, since Apple expects you to renew phones every two years, this will be another incentive (of -for instance- 100$ a year) to do so.
 
I’m surprised this isn’t just an included feature on all iPhones. In two years from now there will be stories of people who died in remote situations because their emergency SOS coverage lapsed because Apple wanted to charge extra. It will be in very poor taste for Apple to charge extra for an emergency feature… I don’t believe they’ve ever done this before.
Get on t mobile. This will be a standard feature
 
Wondering what the plan is after two years and someone opts not to pay and finds themselves in a life-or-death situation.
The same with people holding older iPhones or a different brand.
It's a service, and most likely a very expensive one to maintain.

If you think this should be a public service free for all, then lobby your favorite politician to get funding for it. You cannot expect a privately held company to foot the bill. I think it's a very good thing that Apple gets the ball rolling with this and makes it free to use for their customers initially - and not just for a trial month.
 
This isn’t true, your body can easily sustain that kind of force over a fraction of a second, which is what happens when you collide with something. A large force over a small time scale isn’t like a bug on a window, but more like a bone breaking. I imagine in a crash your watch could very likely collide with a hard surface, which would register as an incredibly high g force event, even though it didn’t feel that way on your arm
Seriously interesting, do you have any links to actual facts? I’m curious about these things and enjoy learning new stuff, especially about physics…
 
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One way or another, today's message, "We'll save your life for free for two years, but after that the meter starts running at an undisclosed-for-now price" was not up to Apple's usual standard.
They didn't say that at all. You can send the distress message free of charge, but Apple is not going to pay the cost of rescue operations.
It is very well possible that Apple does not have concrete plans about what happens in two years with this. It might prove to be so useless in real situations that they cannot justify the cost and discontinue the service. It might be such a good idea that a foundation or government agency will foot the bill and make it free not only for Apple users but all modern phones.
Two years is a very long time in tech.
 
Can you see people purposely getting themselves lost in some remote area just to try out the feature?

And then sue Apple if it doesn’t work fast enough or at all

Do you really think Apple's legal team would have left Apple exposed to such a liability?

Think about all the end user agreements you have to agree to before you can use any Apple product - they don't make you do that for fun.
 
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This isn’t true, your body can easily sustain that kind of force over a fraction of a second, which is what happens when you collide with something. A large force over a small time scale isn’t like a bug on a window, but more like a bone breaking. I imagine in a crash your watch could very likely collide with a hard surface, which would register as an incredibly high g force event, even though it didn’t feel that way on your arm
So you can withstand an impact as long as it stops you quickly? Yeah, that’s not how that works. You’re thinking fighter pilots who can withstand double digit Gs for a little while. Impact Gs are way different, nothing human survives over 200Gs of impact. If something stops you at 200Gs, your body does not stop moving – the impact side does, the rest keeps moving until it has spent all that force by compressing, which at that much energy tends to mess you up completely.
 
A couple of weeks ago (at most) T-Mobile and Spacex announced that they were rolling out a similar service, with similar limitations. It would work with ANY newer cell phones, including an iPhone. Someone at the rollout asked what phones were supported and whoever is CEO of T-Mobile said any modern cell phone, including iPhones. No real price or availability were announced. I wonder if they wanted to beat Apple to the punch of announcing a service like this.

I saw it live on YouTube, I'm sure its still available.

I'm curious about this, since you need specific hardware to communicate with satellites anyway.
 
It's a chat, the bubbles will be gray for emergency service messages.
Sarsat is not for conversation. The Iphone sarsat mode can works like a beacon. It only sends a short coded message. which answers tree questions: where the accident happened + who needs help + what kind of help is needed. Nothing more.
 
You have exceptional ears: hearing sound of future.

Not a single gen 2 satellite has been launched yet. SpaceX do not even have the launch vehicle built for launching those very big satellites.

And you will need a constellation of at least a few dozen satellites to cover US. Probably hundreds.

So quite early for a limited beta.
Ah, the sorrow I bear from a quick google, can’t really trust what I read on the web… I probably just came across a marketing blurb that was exaggerated. My apologies, I believe you are correct!
 
We seem to have three populations who might be, or find themselves, interested.

Serious outdoors people who might well pay. Even if they have some other satellite-capable device(s) it adds another string to their bow.

Less serious outdoors people and those who live in who live in poor or no tower coverage areas. Some will see reason to pay; some not.

Others who might not even realise they are going out of tower coverage. Where I live, our 3G coverage map looks excellent, 4G not too bad, 5G mostly not here yet. But some areas, especially round the coast, go from good to no signal in metres. The lack of understanding will likely mean they won't even realise they might need the option, let alone actually pay. Think of someone on a very ordinary beach holiday - they walk on the rocks, fall or find themselves being cut off by the tide, or walk along the beach and a minor cliff fall injures them. Places and situations which might only apply for minutes a year! I don't think many will pay unless it is a tiny cost - possibly included in something else like Apple One or iCloud.

Particularly frustrating for this last group is that they might be within range of multiple mobiles. A mesh-like approach might often be perfectly adequate - I can imagine piggy-backing on Find My facilities - without needing to use satellite.
 
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