Whats so "special" about 10.14.4 ?

RayBir

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With all the hype about the "upgrade", all the fuss about "where is it"....
Now it's out, nothing but problems it seems??
Whats so "special" about this upgrade that makes people come rushing back with all sorts of problems?

What's "new" about it?
Does it start up on its own or with a clap of the hand?
Does "SiRi" now sound human? Does it "make you tea"?

Yes, you do detect a hint of sarcasm - but i need to know.

I'm confused.
All morning and most of this afternoon, my email is getting flooded with peeps with problems. Just because i am following this forum. Rediculous. From what i have read, the "Beta" version(s) should have cleared up any problems? Or?

Oh, another problem just posted!

I'm waiting at least a month or two before i dive into the cauldron! Unless someone convinces me that its "OK" bro and go ahead ;)
 
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benwiggy

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People tend not to start threads saying "I'm having no problems!" Any change to a computing environment can cause things to topple over. Every computer is different, and every owner is the system admin who is responsible for looking after it. You'll find people having problems immediately after every update. This one's not special in that regard.

Apple has 1 million beta testers, and more Seed Testers and Developers all trying things out. Yet problems still occur, and people say "Why didn't the beta testing find this?"

Like any OS point update, it contains a mix of new features and bug fixes. (Mostly bug fixes.)

Personally: this update has fixed some bugs which I've been reporting to Apple for years. So I'm happy with it.
 

RayBir

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Thanks for your viewpoint of course.
So far all i have seen is problems. Of course, you are right, no-one starts a thread with "I'm having no problems" - thats given.
I will stick with what i have, with what works untill such time i feel safe with upgrading.
The only reason i came here in the first place was to ask a question about what "exactly" Time Machine backs up. It wasn't even a problem, just curious. The other was about iTunes with my iPad connected - something wrong with the cable it turned out.
Otherwise just browsing around and maybe making a comment.
Iv'e been around since before Windows, so am not new to problems and know the drill. Still don't know "why" everyone has to have the latest "thing"?
For me 10.14.3 ain't broke, so i ain't gonna fix it untill i have to.
Most peeps seem to upgrade just for the sake of it!
 

chrfr

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Thanks for your viewpoint of course.
So far all i have seen is problems. Of course, you are right, no-one starts a thread with "I'm having no problems" - thats given.
I will stick with what i have, with what works untill such time i feel safe with upgrading.
The only reason i came here in the first place was to ask a question about what "exactly" Time Machine backs up. It wasn't even a problem, just curious. The other was about iTunes with my iPad connected - something wrong with the cable it turned out.
Otherwise just browsing around and maybe making a comment.
Iv'e been around since before Windows, so am not new to problems and know the drill. Still don't know "why" everyone has to have the latest "thing"?
For me 10.14.3 ain't broke, so i ain't gonna fix it untill i have to.
Most peeps seem to upgrade just for the sake of it!
I've upgraded 4 computers, with no issues. 10.14.4 fixes several bugs for me and my users and has some important security fixes as well.
 

fisherking

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both my macs are fine, and News works just as it always has (the app on ios had some issues today, which can be resolved for now).

the betas lead to the final release, but nothing's perfect. that's why, soon enough, there will be betas headed to 10.14.5. this is how software works, it's always a work-in-progress, there will always be people with issues (hence, this forum). if you're expecting something different, you probably should just get a typewriter... :D
 

RayBir

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I'm not expecting anything at all. Who said i was? (Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit)
I am just a private guy who use an iMac, for photo editing, music, email, Skype and of course browsing the internet.
Everything works for me - why should i change? I see no reason and don't get the hype at all.

Ok, some of you "say" it has cured some bugs or fixes etc. I have no bugs or things that need fixing - lmao!
 
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fisherking

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I'm not expecting anything at all. Who said i was? (Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit)
I am just a private guy who use an iMac, for photo editing, music, email, Skype and of course browsing the internet.
Everything works for me - why should i change? I see no reason and don't get the hype at all.

Ok, some of you "say" it has cured some bugs or fixes etc. I have no bugs or things that need fixing - lmao!
none of that makes sense. just because you (or i, for example) haven't experienced a bug, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. but, either way, the concept with each new update (and each new beta) is improvements, fixes, enhancements.

this doesn't mean you have to change anything. we own our macs, we can update if (& when) we want. so, not sure what your point is with all of this....
 

yukari

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Bug fixes are what I am looking for. Not necessarily the new features. It fixed some annoying bugs but also seems to have created (according to other users) other bugs. Sort of a give-and-take.
 

nouveau_redneck

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I'm not expecting anything at all. Who said i was? (Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit)
I am just a private guy who use an iMac, for photo editing, music, email, Skype and of course browsing the internet.
Everything works for me - why should i change? I see no reason and don't get the hype at all.

Ok, some of you "say" it has cured some bugs or fixes etc. I have no bugs or things that need fixing - lmao!
One school of thought is to just apply macOS updates as they come. For those that do that, it's a matter of staying current with minor/major feature updates, bug fixes and security fixes. There doesn't necessarily need to be a specific reason.

I'm in that camp, and have never encountered any issues doing so. All clear on the macOS front around these parts.
 

Ashka

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All good here too.. one major bug fixed ie. the date on all my photos was day number / year.. so any number up to 365/2019. Only reported from New Zealand and Australia.. wasn’t fixed on the last couple of updates but is on this one.. :). 2018 Mac Book Pro, 2 iPad Pros & 2 iPhones.. all good.
 

coolfactor

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In today's day and age, it's important to be installing the latest software updates to ensure that systems remain stable, secure and compatible. It's not always about new features. You should not fear updates. Ubuntu (a flavour of Linux) comes out with updates on a near-daily basis because of how their update system works. Rather than packaging up a large number of updates into a single release, updates are released on a per-library, per-binary (essentially per-app) basis as they are ready. I wish Apple took this approach, but it's not as good for marketing.

10.14.4 continues the slick, performant experience for me on my 2013 MacBook Air. No issues, EXCEPT for one big one ... Google-hosted email accounts (essentially Gmail accounts) no longer work in Apple Mail. They fail to authenticate since installing 10.14.4 Apparently this same issue is affecting iOS 12.2, as well. Something changed and either Apple or Google needs to fix it, asap!
 

Gregg2

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...and, eventually you will need to upgrade, either your OS or your computer. If the computer can still handle the latest OS, you might experience problems online if the most recent browser you can use falls too far behind being able to handle the latest internet features. And of course, there are various reasons that your hardware might need to be replaced. If you wait too long, it's possible that some files you're hanging on to cannot be converted to a version of software that can open it, then, if your computer dies, your files die with it.
 

skottichan

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No problems here, and 10.14.4 actually fixed a big bug I had with my iMac sleeping with my Cintiq on.

But seriously, this is the cool thing, you do you. I like keeping my system up to date, because it's a habit. That way any fixes, security issues, etc are all patched and ready to go.
 

ElectricPotato

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no-one starts a thread with "I'm having no problems"

They do post to discuss new features. This update seems to be mostly problems. It broke mail app with gmail for a lot of people, including me. Fortunately I was able to restore 10.14.3 from a recent backup and get email back.

Thank you Apple, for giving me the opportunity to practice my restore procedures!
 

redheeler

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My 2012 rMBP is on 10.14.4, but my 5K iMac is still running the GM build of 10.14 (18A391). Need to update for the security fixes next time I shut the iMac down, but it doesn't happen often. Uptime currently at 37 days.
 

niji

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With all the hype about the "upgrade", all the fuss about "where is it"....
Now it's out, nothing but problems it seems??
Whats so "special" about this upgrade that makes people come rushing back with all sorts of problems?

What's "new" about it?
Does it start up on its own or with a clap of the hand?
Does "SiRi" now sound human? Does it "make you tea"?

Yes, you do detect a hint of sarcasm - but i need to know.

I'm confused.
All morning and most of this afternoon, my email is getting flooded with peeps with problems. Just because i am following this forum. Rediculous. From what i have read, the "Beta" version(s) should have cleared up any problems? Or?

Oh, another problem just posted!

I'm waiting at least a month or two before i dive into the cauldron! Unless someone convinces me that its "OK" bro and go ahead ;)
i like your questions.

to me, there are 3 kinds of updates.

1 more or less bug fixes, which frequently include important security updates as well

2 an update that includes a underlying software update so that a particular app can have expanded capability of some sort. this happens often with iTunes updates.

3 generational change update. this kind of update, which you are referring to mostly with your questions, is very very very very rare. even if the macOS name completely changes, like from Sierra to High Sierra it was bug fixes and stability focused.

for me, Mojave itself immensely improved stability and speed. and forced fundamental changes to the user base (APFS).
the degree to which Mojave did this well, was to me, worthy of calling it by completely new name.

there are millions of people who have the same basic doubts about updates and the need to invest time to make the change.
but as i said above, just be sure there are no security updates that are included it.
otherwise, it sounds like you could sit out all the 10.x.point updates completely.