Carrier What's the catch of Apple Upgrade Program?

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  1. techiebug macrumors 6502a

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    Hey guys, so currently I'm looking into the Apple Upgrade Program. I used to think it's the worst option to buy an iPhone judging from Apple's pricing scheme. But it turns out this is a decent deal to get a new iPhone. I need help to understand what the catch of this is. So the only phone I'm interested is the 7 Plus 128gb. Monthly payment for 24 months is $41.58. Over 24 months I'll pay a total $997.92. And this includes Applecare+. Now if I pay the phone upfront, total cost is $938.52 including tax. So the total cost under Apple Upgrade Program is $59.4 more. That's not expensive at all considering it also has Applecare+ and I don't have to deal with reselling next year. I heard there's an enroll fee of $50 or something. But still it's not too bad of a deal. What's the downside of this??
     
  2. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    You're charged tax upfront on top of 24 x $41.58 so you need to include that in your calculation.

    There's no enrollment fee though.
     
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    Oh I see. So factoring in tax, total cost under Apple Upgrade Program is $1077.75 So it's $139.23 more than paying upfront. This amount is about the same as the cost of Applecare+. $139 is quite significant hmm. I guess this program is great for people buying Applecare+. But then it's still a decent deal as this program is interest-free. If one pays upfront with a credit card then they will have to pay interest.
     
  4. JulesJam, Oct 14, 2016
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    Yes exactly. The AiUP is the same price as buying an iPhone plus AC+ but you get an interest free loan to buy it.

    The other advantage is that you get a hassle free upgrade after a year by simply turning in your old iPhone. If the old iPhone is in poor condition due to accidental damage, you simply pay the AC+ deductible when you trade it in.

    There are 2 advantages to the AiUP over purchasing full retail and buying AC+:

    1) interest free loan; and

    2) hassle free trade in.
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    To purchase the 128GB iP7+ it is $869 + sales tax = $921 at my tax rate

    AC+ = $129 + sales tax = $137 at my tax rate

    Total = $1058


    AiUP = $41.58 x 24 = $998 + $52 sales tax on iPhone + $8 sales tax on AC+ = $1058

    It is the exact same price either way. The difference with the AiUP is that you get interest free financing and a hassle free annual upgrade.
     
  5. techiebug thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    @junesjam: I didn't know Applecare+ also has tax. So basically they cost the same. Since I never buy Applecare+, the extra cost is a premium to me. This is still a great program. I might consider this next year. Thanks!!
     
  6. Mlrollin91 macrumors G4

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    Depends on the State. AppleCare+ is considered an 'insurance' plan in CA and is not subject to tax. Basically you don't pay sales tax on Services as its not an actual good.
     
  7. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    Yes, but it's not like you're paying the full cost of AC+ each time you upgrade. After one year when it's time to upgrade, you'll have paid only half the cost of AC+ in the form of monthly payments.
     
  8. JulesJam, Oct 14, 2016
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    Exactly - in my state you do pay tax on it but it is a state by state thing.
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    If you were to pay full retail for the phone + AC+ and sell your phone after 1 year, you could get 1/2 the AC+ refunded to you so it works out to be the same.

    Scenario 1 - AiUP with upgrade after 1 year

    128GB iP7+ = $41.58 x 12 = $499 + sales tax = $550


    Scenario 2 - full retail selling after 1 year with refund of 1/2 AC+

    $1058 - $68 refund of 1/2 AC+ = $990


    $990 - $550 = $440


    Thus the difference at 1 year is $440. If you can sell your 128GB iP7+ and net more than $440 for it, you come out ahead. But of course, you have to sell it and deal with the time, hassle and risk of that.

    Right now a 1 year old Good-Mint condition Verizon 64GB iP6s+ (which is the equivalent mid-range storage size) is selling for about $475-$490 on swappa. After taxes/fees/shipping with insurance you would net $430-$445 or an average of about $440.

    So it works out to be the same 1 year cost since Apple will refund you a prorated amount of the AC+. The difference is with the AiUP you get:

    1) interest free financing; and

    2) hassle free upgrades.


    Wrt #2, if you sell on ebay or swappa, not only do you have to take pictures to list it, respond to offers, monitor the listing, pack it up and ship it, the buyer has 6 months to dispute the charge.

    There is really no difference in price b/t the AiUP and buying full retail + AC+. The difference is simply in whether or not you need/want interest free financing and hassle free upgrades.
     
  9. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    This is assuming you haven't used up any of your deductibles. AC+ pro-rated refund is "based on the percentage of unexpired Plan Term from the Plan’s date of purchase, less a cancellation fee of twenty-five ($25) dollars or ten percent (10%) of the pro-rata amount, whichever is less, and the value of any service provided to you under the Plan."

    You could blow through your deductibles in the IUP and it'll still be 50% after one year.
     
  10. hinesmj macrumors regular

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    Keep in mind there's a hard hit on your credit when you apply for the program and every time you upgrade after that. That may make a difference if your credit is sensitive.
     
  11. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    Several existing IUP members reported receiving no hard hit when upgrading.
     
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    Correct.


    I have never been charged this btw. Apple can only charge that if it is allowed to by state law. In my state they are not allowed to charge it. Idk if they charge it in any states.

    Yes, that is a good point. Do you know under the AiUP do you get 2 accidental damage claims per year if you upgrade each year?
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    Correct. There is a hard pull only initially when you enter the program. As long as you stay in the program, there are no more hard pulls. If you don't make your payments on time they can deny the upgrade but they don't do any more hard pulls.
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    No, just when you enter the program the first time.
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    Another difference I just realized is that if you upgrade every year under the AiUP, you effectively get 2 accidental damage claims per year instead of 2 per 2 years.
     
  13. hinesmj macrumors regular

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    Oh that's great then...I had read otherwise.
     
  14. Bigserver1 macrumors regular

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    I did two IUPs this year. One new one for my wife, and the continuation of mine. I was hit for the new one, but not for the second. I'm not sure if that's because the first application was done online on 9/9 and the second was done in store on 9/16, or if it was because mine was an existing loan. Typically a company will only pull once every 30 days, so logically it could be either.

    If this is true though, and there aren't hard pulls in future years, I'll be very happy about that.
     
  15. willmtaylor macrumors G3

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    @techiebug , There were instances of both "hard pulls and "soft pulls" this year for those who were renewing under the AUP. It's completely at the discretion of the bank.

    To say that it's definitely one or the other is incorrect.
     
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    Oh good, glad they made that clear.
     

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