What's the difference...

Discussion in 'Mac OS X Lion (10.7)' started by wptarcher, Oct 20, 2010.

  1. wptarcher macrumors newbie

    Oct 20, 2010
    Seeing what happened for the new OSX Lion. I don't really see much of a difference between it and Snow Leopard beyond the App Store. So what would the point of upgrading be if that is the "revolutionary" inovation Apple made. (I know that there was a few other things, but they mainly seemed to have focused on the app store when talking about OSX Lion.)

    ~Cheers :apple:
  2. angelwatt Moderator emeritus


    Aug 16, 2005
    It won't be released until Summer 2011, and as history often repeats, Apple is holding back on some key features, which will make it more worth it.
  3. wptarcher thread starter macrumors newbie

    Oct 20, 2010
    I know it won't be released until then. I was trying to start up some sort of discussion here.

    ~Cheers. :apple:
  4. TMRaven macrumors 68020


    Nov 5, 2009
    That mission control thing is an absolute joke. It's nice to know that apple finally made the + buttons work the way they're supposed to, but that's been long overdue.
  5. HLdan macrumors 603


    Aug 22, 2007
    There's nothing to discuss in terms of your thread title because Apple said on stage they were not going to show but just a few features. It's not a finished product and of course they don't want MS to copy.
  6. lewis82 macrumors 68000


    Aug 26, 2009
    Totalitarian Republic of Northlandia
    That LaunchPad thing looks nice. Way more useful than using a folder in the dock. I hope they'll provide a gesture for it, though. (4 finger swipe left/right?)
  7. DJ-R macrumors regular


    Feb 17, 2010
    Same here, after reading the keynotes...

    I was like that's it? That's all? Wait wait wait... all these 2 years ... that's all?!?! REALLY!

    Yeah when they mention Summer 2011... I'm like wait... that's a while to wait... There are more notes in between I guess.
  8. applemagic123 macrumors regular


    Aug 19, 2009
    what a joke

    The gui of lion looks like it's for people who want their macs to look and act like an iPad. You just frikken swipe left and right like the home page. Um, sorry apple, but I already have an iPhone and I don't want the same ui on my mac!

    So................what about people like ME who own an iMac and use a logitech or other branded mouse because they don't like apple's mouse and purchased their system BEFORE the magic mouse and refuse to purchase a magic mouse????? How am I going to control the iPad-like desktop with all the apps to swipe? I like using the apps folder in the dock instead.

    The mac app store???? Isn't that what iTunes is for??? I mean is everything from freemacware.com and other sites going to be on there?

    Ever since snow leopard came out, apple is going way downhill with their software writing.

    YES, it will not be released until next year, BUT....with all the bull crap hype over SNOW leopard and look what a disappointment that came to be with apps randomly crashing, the rainbow spinny thing coming up more often, supposed better graphics processing, etc. It was a joke, and lion will be too.

    I definitely have learned a lesson and will NOT be buying lion the first month it's released.
  9. topmounter macrumors 68020


    Jun 18, 2009
    FEMA Region VIII
    Considering the "OS X App Store" is coming to Snow Leopard, it's hard to consider it a part of Lion.

    * Full-screen Applications
    * Mission Control
    * Launchpad

    After Snow Leopard being touted as an infrastructure release that sets the stage for major new features in the next release, that's a pretty weak-sauce list of major new features to tease... especially after sitting through a 45 minute iLife training seminar.
  10. baddj macrumors 6502

    Mar 4, 2009
    I also want to know, as i use my logitech mouse and i am not going to stop using it....
  11. Bernard SG macrumors 65816

    Bernard SG

    Jul 3, 2010
    Dude, what's with all the negativity? The iPad-like UI is not the primary UI, it remains the classic Mac OS desktop, it's an additional feature (which I like, personally). Mission Control, despite the lame name, seems to be something quite robust for an improved workflow.

    Touch gestures are simply awesome, it's you being conservative and not willing to give a chance to change. My experience with a MBP lead me to purchase a Magic Trackpad for my iMac. It's an absolutely great approach to human interface. To your credit though, I'm somewhat unimpressed with the Magic Mouse.

    I'm sorry to hear that you have a negative experience of Snow Leopard, but I'm also very surprised because I personally have encountered none of the issues that you mention. Maybe a few applications needed updates and then, everything works seamlessly.

    The App-Store is interesting. It can be a blockbuster, it can be a big flop but my first impression about the idea is positive.
  12. andrei.barbuta macrumors regular

    Jul 26, 2009
    What I saw in the announcement was nice but yes I was expecting more and there will be more but the wait for Lion was huge and I thought we should be treated with more goodies. But that's a personal feeling about this.

    About Mission Control, I think it's GREAT! and here is why. Before mission control you had to juggle the organization of your desktop between Expose and Spaces which most didn't do, they just used Expose. When they had an app that needed to take the whole screen to be productive then it was cumbersome to switch between apps especially if those apps had multi documents.

    The problem with spaces is that the organizational logic was in your head, you had to remember where the app was even if you could activate the whole spaces thing to see every space, it still took brain power to process where everything was. Mission Control on the other hand creates a dynamic space for every fullscreen app and that is why is so great.

    Basically this whole interaction and apps organization is a more focused approach to the way you SHOULD work.
    You will have the desktop with multiple apps, and virtual screens with fullscreen apps. It is just a better way to focus on your work, that's it.
  13. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    People slammed apple with 10.6 because most of the changes were under the hood, nothing really substantial was updated for the end user. I think expectations and hopes were pinned that we'd see some real updates to OSX.

    I don't consider the app store a substantial update to the operating system. The app store (regardless of how you feel about it) is really more of a bolt on functionality.

    I'm not sold on Mission Control, I'd have to see how it fleshes out in the real world.

    I'm an old macintosh user so losing the menu bar in full screen is not something that would increase my effeciency, heck, I typically have 4 to 10 applications open at any given time, so the full screen thing is not a feature I'd want.

    So we have the app store, mission control and full screen, oh and launch pad. Really 4 new things (and one really isn't OS specific) on an operating system upgrade that apple more or less promised that we'd see more improvements because 10.6 was supposed to be the foundation of those changes.

    I for one am not jazzed up about 10.7, it fails to deliver any substantial update
  14. Bernard SG macrumors 65816

    Bernard SG

    Jul 3, 2010
    I can somewhat understand your feelings, though I don't share them.
    My serious question to you would be: what are the new things you would want Apple to do about Mac OS?
    Personally I find Mac OS X quite mature and I have a hard time figuring out what kind of revolutionary innovation Apple could bring on the table at this point.
  15. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Here's a few that I came up with in about 10 minutes of thinking

    • A modern file system, HFS+ is an aging file system that is sagging under the bulk of how people use the computers.
    • A move to volume management as opposed to partitions. At one point apple was moving towards embracing ZFS from sun but dropped that option.
    • resolution independence
    • Improved finder, specifically in the area of multi-threaded processing.
    • Improved graphic drivers and offloading more work from the CPU to the GPU
    • Consistent theme, apple still seems to have a mishmash of UIs floating around
    • improved mail.app
    • improve network connectivity with windows networks
    • increase iDisk performance
    • increased drag drop FTP capability.
    • increased security, for folders, i.e., easily encrypt/password protect folders
    • make filevault a little safer to use
  16. Mal macrumors 603


    Jan 6, 2002
    • New file system isn't likely, but still hoping for at least improvements. Not sure exactly what type you're looking for. Ditto on ZFS-like volume management.
    • Resolution independence: Hopefully, but not likely.
    • Finder improvements are almost guaranteed, but probably not as good as we'd all like.
    • More OpenCL improvements almost certain, though not necessarily talked about much by Apple.
    • Better UI is certain, but there will still be mishmash.
    • Mail.app will definitely get an upgrade, probably look more like the MobileMe web app in a lot of ways.
    • Don't hold your breath on Windows file sharing improving, but again hoping.
    • If iDisk isn't scrapped, then yes, some improvements there are important.
    • FTP capabilities aren't likely to be addressed.
    • Maybe passworded folders, doesn't seem to have been a focus for Apple though.
    • FileVault should probably be scrapped, but I don't see much in the way of changes being likely.

  17. VPrime macrumors 68000


    Dec 19, 2008
    London Ontario
    The also mentioned the Auto save, and the save state from iOS being implemented.. But they never showed it off.

    I think overall this is just a small taste of what is to come.
    UI, I am guessing a new UI will be showcased at WWDC. If you look closely there looks like some new scrollbars, and other small UI tweaks that could suggest a more refined UI to tie together the mashup we have goten over the years.

    As for ful screen apps, I think (hope) this will just be an API developers can take advantage of. From the keynote, it didn't look like it replaced the green + button, but added to it. I may have missheard, but when the app went in full screen mode, I swear I heard him say "control click".
    I am hoping full screen mode is just there incase the application you are using could benefit from it.. iWorks Pages already has a full screen mode for a while, and noone complained about that.

    Overall, I am just going to guess that the keynote only showed off what they have presentable and polished...And also showed off just enough, with out giving away every thing else they are working on.
  18. xshawn117x macrumors newbie

    Oct 26, 2010
    1. Having a user interface that is much more seamlessly and easy and beautiful such as Microsoft's Windows Aero feature or Fedora KDE "Plasma" feature.

    2. Allow to easily change themes.

    3. Fix the "Show View Options" in Finder issue to allow you to default any settings you set throughout the whole system and also allow for personalized settings on any specific folder.

    4. Have all directories show up first in alphabetical order in Finder then followed by normal files, such as in Windows Explorer or Ubuntu.

    5. Be allowed to quit an app upon clicking the "red button" on the upper left hand corner of the window instead of closing that window.

    6. And definitely a package manager like Add/Remove Programs in Windows XP or Synaptic in Ubuntu.
  19. LoganT macrumors 68020

    Jan 9, 2007
    I find it funny that people literally think that the features that Apple showed off in their 5 minute demo are the only new features.
  20. cgjodas macrumors newbie

    Jul 9, 2010
    Santiago del Estero, Argentina
    New Name for Mac OS X

    Really, I don't know what is the new name for Mac OS X... Lion is confirmed or is only speculation? In other sites I read something about iOS with a interface like iOS 4 (iPhone's Operative System).
  21. mrsir2009 macrumors 604


    Sep 17, 2009
    Melbourne, Australia
    Apple often test drives new features in certain apps. For example, the iTunes UI is looking like what everything might look like in Lion. And the full screen for pages may be a test for what is coming to every other app too :D
  22. steezy1337 macrumors 6502

    Dec 29, 2008
    Carlisle, UK
    i hope iTunes isn't a preview of what Lion's gonna look like, it's pretty dull and not that much different from the rest of 10.6. now if it looked and worked like quicktime X i'd be very happy, with the disappearing title bars and nice black theme it's got going on.
  23. mrsir2009 macrumors 604


    Sep 17, 2009
    Melbourne, Australia
    I think it might be a mix of both. As you saw in the demo they had dissapairing scroll bars and stuff :)
  24. Matt T macrumors regular

    Matt T

    Dec 1, 2005
    So, basically, make it just like Windows? :confused:
  25. hcho3 macrumors 68030

    May 13, 2010
    It will be very interesting with Mac OS lion. it will be a hit or miss for sure. So far, it looks a lot like Snow leopard with app store. Given the fact that app store is coming to snow leopard, I did not see anything interesting at the conference that will make me go out and buy right away.

    Demo on Mac os lion with iMac and Apple magic mouse was very sad..
    The presenter made many mistakes. Maybe, he was nervous. But, I could see that swiping gestures don't work quite well as they do on the glass track pad.

    I will be very interested to know about the price. Snow leopard was something most of people were okay with because it was only 29 dollars. Seriously, iLife upgrade costs more than Mac OS upgrade!?

    If apple price this thing over 79 dollars then... well....

    Screw them.

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