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What's the holdup on a new Thunderbolt Display?

PatriotInvasion said:
Not really sure what you mean considering Samsung can pump out 4,000 phones a quarter. My only point was that an updated Thunderbolt Display shouldn't be hard to get into production for a company with the resources of Apple...even with the focus on iOS devices.

I mean, in a highly competitive consumer electronics market, we have not heard a peep from this company in 6+ months from a product standpoint! That's just odd.
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There is such a thing as releasing products too often and it'll make investors/consumers upset. Imagine apple released a new iphone every 3 months. You'd be pretty pissed because they'd include something new in the newest one each time that you were missing out on.

Also consider if apple releases the new TB display today. A few weeks from now intel announces TB2 that increases TB speed by 2x, would you not be upset if you got one today?

Finally, the research and design that goes into these products does not happen overnight. Apple doesnt just say "lets make it thinner and lighter", they have to find a way to do those things efficiently and cost effectively. Then they have to make sure the facility that they want these produced at has ample equipment to make them as fast as demand, because if they dont then youll see another imac fiasco.

There are so many things that answer the "whats so hard" question you're asking. I prefer long drawn out updates that bring significant updates than a speed bump in the processor speed.
 
Xgm541 said:
There is such a thing as releasing products too often and it'll make investors/consumers upset. Imagine apple released a new iphone every 3 months. You'd be pretty pissed because they'd include something new in the newest one each time that you were missing out on.

Also consider if apple releases the new TB display today. A few weeks from now intel announces TB2 that increases TB speed by 2x, would you not be upset if you got one today?

Finally, the research and design that goes into these products does not happen overnight. Apple doesnt just say "lets make it thinner and lighter", they have to find a way to do those things efficiently and cost effectively. Then they have to make sure the facility that they want these produced at has ample equipment to make them as fast as demand, because if they dont then youll see another imac fiasco.

There are so many things that answer the "whats so hard" question you're asking. I prefer long drawn out updates that bring significant updates than a speed bump in the processor speed.
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Thunderbolt 2 isn't even coming out until 2014 according to Intel, so that should be of little relevance to April 2013 for a display that still only has USB 2.0 and hasn't seen a refresh in nearly 2 years. Plus, it's just wrong that Apple is still selling it to consumers today at the full $999 price tag it was when it was first released in 2011 --- although they at least give you the lousy dongle needed to connect it to every new Mac notebook.:rolleyes:

Even when Thunderbolt 2 is available, it's just a simple port upgrade and it will be a LONG time after that before drives and displays are even produced to take advantage of it. Heck, even Thunderbolt 1 drives are few and far between and that came out 2 years ago.

So Thunderbolt 2 and 4K/Retina displays should not be a factor in updating the display right now because neither will really be mainstream until late 2014 into 2015.
 
I use dual Thunderbolt displays and at the distance I have to sit from them (so as not to feel like I'm watching a tennis match looking from one to the other) they're as good as retina displays already.

Running my rMBP at the same time as both of them heats things up quite a bit (although my 2013 rMBP is much, much cooler than my 2012 rMBP, the cooling system of which has recently croaked). I suspect that the GPU technology does not yet exist to run both a rMBP and one, let alone two, TBDs at the same time, at least with a smooth and satisfying UI experience. Imagine the complaints about UI lag! (Again, my 2013 rMBP is flawless in this respect).
 
I want to add two displays to my imac but I am holding off until they finally release updated ones .. my guess is wwdc or whenever the mac pros are ready
 
Mattstrete said:
Running my rMBP at the same time as both of them heats things up quite a bit (although my 2013 rMBP is much, much cooler than my 2012 rMBP, the cooling system of which has recently croaked). I suspect that the GPU technology does not yet exist to run both a rMBP and one, let alone two, TBDs at the same time, at least with a smooth and satisfying UI experience. Imagine the complaints about UI lag! (Again, my 2013 rMBP is flawless in this respect).
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Does anyone here have insight as to what they actually changed between the late 2012 rMBP and early 2013 rMBP? It's the same technology (Ivy Bridge, 22nm), so from my understanding, they just did a slight spec bump in terms of clock frequency. Is Mattstrete's experience the norm and did Apple improve their cooling system or is this case just an anomaly?
 
KylePowers said:
Does anyone here have insight as to what they actually changed between the late 2012 rMBP and early 2013 rMBP? It's the same technology (Ivy Bridge, 22nm), so from my understanding, they just did a slight spec bump in terms of clock frequency. Is Mattstrete's experience the norm and did Apple improve their cooling system or is this case just an anomaly?
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9to5mac reported on the changes to the internal components:

http://9to5mac.com/2013/02/16/new-m...acbook-pros-use-some-upgraded-internal-parts/

They noted changes to the "SSD, I/O Board, LOGIC BOARD and "even the bottom case."

My 2013 rMBP (2.7Ghz, 16GB of RAM) is a totally different kettle of fish (excuse the pun). I have never even heard the fan spin up.
 
I'm buying a Thunderbolt Display tomorrow.
Need one for the summer and I can't wait too long.
I guess the new one won't be that much different : )
 
andreasholm said:
I'm buying a Thunderbolt Display tomorrow.
Need one for the summer and I can't wait too long.
I guess the new one won't be that much different : )
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I would grab a u2713 instead.



this TBD is a complete ripoff. Even as a docking station it is getting silly. USB 2,0? Come on..
 
Will compare today. Seems like my 2010MBP can't be connected to the Thunderbolt Display. I'll upgrade MBP next year so I guess I'll have to get the 27 led version instead....or just a different display.
 
Xgm541 said:
Also consider if apple releases the new TB display today. A few weeks from now intel announces TB2 that increases TB speed by 2x, would you not be upset if you got one today?
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There's barely anything on the market today thats saturating TB, so having TB2 would be pointless to the general consumer.

If I'm driving a car everyday that has 300HP but I there is constant gridlock, am I going to be upset that they're coming out with a 600HP car for the same price? No, it would make zero difference since the bottleneck isn't the engine.

Ask yourself if you're currently using anything thats even approaching the limit of TB bandwidth. My guess is no.
 
Unfavorable update to VESA compatibility?

Hello all,

My concern is that a new TBD might follow suit with the new iMac and make you choose between VESA compatibility or a stand alone model. I want a display that has the capability to do both. The VESA compatibility issue on the new iMac is why I'm leaning towards the TBD.

My understanding is that the current TBD can be stand alone or VESA with a 40 dollar adaptor. Now I'm wanting to wait for a TBD update because of usb 3.0 etc.... I really hope the supposed TBD update will not make you choose, but instead have the ability to do both as the current model does.

Any thoughts on this?
 
They might not be waiting for TB2.0 but Haswell, which is said to have a 4k resolution update for TB. Of course, a 4k display would then only be useful with Haswell macs, or be operating at non 4k resolution on older macs.
 
old-wiz said:
maybe they are going to replace it with a combo thunderbolt display/TV?
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This.

I think it's going to be one product that does both, which means you can end up with a rather large monitor if you want.

I'm in the same boat btw guys. In terms of patience running out, and waiting for this product to arrive. I've been looking at 30 cinema displays on CL but they seem to be the same price as new display.



Prodo123 said:
They can't really make it any thinner than it is now. It's jam-packed as it is,
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Please tell me you're joking. Have you not seen the new iMacs, why do you think everyone here is waiting?
 
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Here's my situation:

Sorry I can't say I've read every post on this thread. There's quite a bit I don't understand like "color gamut".

I'm a teacher and I sold my 6 or 7 year-old MacBook Pro and a 6 year-old iMac to buy a new 15" MacBook Pro last June. I've been waiting since then to buy an updated TBD. I figure I buy these kind of things once every 5 to 7 years so why buy a display near the end of its cycle.

However, two things have me wondering what to do. First, the 27" displays and iMacs look huge to me. A 24" would be perfect, I think. Second, I see current generation refurbished 21.5" iMacs for $1100. So, for about $200 more I can get a whole computer rather than a 27" display. I don't really need a second computer and so I think wait for the refreshed TBD. Then I think, who knows how much longer the wait will be and, dang, 27" seems huge for my usage. Then I think, when I see a 21.5" iMac next to a 27" it looks so small. Then I think, but much bigger than a 15" MacBook.

Oh, the dilemma!
 
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tiger2 said:
Here's my situation:

Sorry I can't say I've read every post on this thread. There's quite a bit I don't understand like "color gamut".

I'm a teacher and I sold my 6 or 7 year-old MacBook Pro and a 6 year-old iMac to buy a new 15" MacBook Pro last June. I've been waiting since then to buy an updated TBD. I figure I buy these kind of things once every 5 to 7 years so why buy a display near the end of its cycle.

However, two things have me wondering what to do. First, the 27" displays and iMacs look huge to me. A 24" would be perfect, I think. Second, I see current generation refurbished 21.5" iMacs for $1100. So, for about $200 more I can get a whole computer rather than a 27" display. I don't really need a second computer and so I think wait for the refreshed TBD. Then I think, who knows how much longer the wait will be and, dang, 27" seems huge for my usage. Then I think, when I see a 21.5" iMac next to a 27" it looks so small. Then I think, but much bigger than a 15" MacBook.

Oh, the dilemma!
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Not exactly sure how it works with Thunderbolt, but I remember the previous gen 21.5" iMacs couldn't be used as external displays because the DisplayPort was only an out. The 27" had video-in. Anyone know if Thunderbolt equipped 21.5" iMacs have the ability to accept video-in from an external MacBook Pro?
 
tiger2 said:
Here's my situation:
Sorry I can't say I've read every post on this thread. There's quite a bit I don't understand like "color gamut".
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Basically it means the range of colors that a display can reproduce. Unless you're using professional graphics software you don't need to worry about it - in fact, you might want to avoid 'wide gamut' professional displays for general use as they can give rather garish, over-saturated images unless they're set up correctly & used with suitable software.


However, two things have me wondering what to do. First, the 27" displays and iMacs look huge to me. A 24" would be perfect, I think.
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Use a 27" display for a while and you'll be spoilt...

However, 24" is perfectly good - and if you plug one in to your Mac Book Pro, you can use it alongside the existing 15" display for extra display space. Sometimes, two smaller screens are more useful than one huge one - you can work on the larger screen and park reference materials or finder windows with your files in on the second one.

I'd currently recommend the Dell Ultrasharp U2412M - you can use either a MiniDisplayPort-to-DVI adapter or a MiniDisplayPort-to-DisplayPort cable to connect it.
 
tiger2 said:
Here's my situation:
Sorry I can't say I've read every post on this thread. There's quite a bit I don't understand like "color gamut".
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theluggage said:
Basically it means the range of colors that a display can reproduce. Unless you're using professional graphics software you don't need to worry about it - in fact, you might want to avoid 'wide gamut' professional displays for general use as they can give rather garish, over-saturated images unless they're set up correctly & used with suitable software.
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Correction, you'll want at least a full sRGB gamut. Plenty of WLED backlit displays have gamuts much smaller than sRGB and you'll want to avoid these.
 
TyPod said:
My thoughts exactly. I feel like they are in no hurry to release a new one. It seems like it would all make sense for a new display to be released alongside the new Mac Pro line.
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But it is broke...

They want full price for a USB 2.0 hub display that requires an adapter to even connect it to the latest Macs, while looking obese compared to the latest iMac.

If they want to discount the display a few hundred bucks and keep selling it than fine, but at $999 for 2 1/2 year old tech is broken in my book and many other's.
 
PatriotInvasion said:
If they want to discount the display a few hundred bucks and keep selling it than fine, but at $999 for 2 1/2 year old tech is broken in my book and many other's.
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I totally agree with you. I will say that Apple displays do seem to hold their value quite well. I'm still using one of the silver 23" Apple Cinema HD Displays and it's still nice and vibrant like day one. If they do happen to lower the price of the current displays, I would definitely be interested. I Have no need for the latest and greatest, unless it's a retina display which I would need quite some time to save up for!
 
PatriotInvasion said:
But it is broke...

They want full price for a USB 2.0 hub display that requires an adapter to even connect it to the latest Macs, while looking obese compared to the latest iMac.

If they want to discount the display a few hundred bucks and keep selling it than fine, but at $999 for 2 1/2 year old tech is broken in my book and many other's.
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I agree. Sometimes I see them open-box at Best Buy for $750. Not too shabby, especially if you get it in a tax-free state! But I really want USB 3.0, reduced glare, and a slimmer design (the latter just because I find it more attractive).
 
I for one couldnt wait for the updated one so i bought 2 of them and should get them delivered today! Since im a student we get a pretty nice price around 850-800$. Not from US so cant give exact price.. And my thoughts were that apple displays seems to hold their value pretty good even if they release new displays soon i can get most of my money back, thx to the student price :) but i probably wouldnt care if they release new ones on a few months, i love the current looks, design of the screen, i dont care about USB3 at all or if they get a few MM thinner
 
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