What's the point of Mojave?

ahostmadsen

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I see absolutely no gain from High Sierra. An eye-candy black mode, which is useless since most software don't support it. Lousy iOS apps. I updated one of my Macs, but the update is so boring I see no reason to update my other one. Disappointing.

Basically, I think Apple doesn't care about the Mac. It's just running on automatic, hanging in there, but there is no ambition, no attempt to make people convert from Windows. This is true for both software and hardware. Look at the windows side: all kind of form factors, bezel-free displays, 15" laptops at half the weight of the MacBook pro. Apple just cares about the iPhone, and a little about the iPad.

I still think OS X is better than Windows, and the whole Apple ecosystem keeps me trapped, but I don't know for how much longer.
 

3lite

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I see absolutely no gain from High Sierra. An eye-candy black mode, which is useless since most software don't support it. Lousy iOS apps. I updated one of my Macs, but the update is so boring I see no reason to update my other one. Disappointing.

Basically, I think Apple doesn't care about the Mac. It's just running on automatic, hanging in there, but there is no ambition, no attempt to make people convert from Windows. This is true for both software and hardware. Look at the windows side: all kind of form factors, bezel-free displays, 15" laptops at half the weight of the MacBook pro. Apple just cares about the iPhone, and a little about the iPad.

I still think OS X is better than Windows, and the whole Apple ecosystem keeps me trapped, but I don't know for how much longer.
You'll never leave.
 

fisherking

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I see absolutely no gain from High Sierra. An eye-candy black mode, which is useless since most software don't support it. Lousy iOS apps. I updated one of my Macs, but the update is so boring I see no reason to update my other one. Disappointing.

Basically, I think Apple doesn't care about the Mac. It's just running on automatic, hanging in there, but there is no ambition, no attempt to make people convert from Windows. This is true for both software and hardware. Look at the windows side: all kind of form factors, bezel-free displays, 15" laptops at half the weight of the MacBook pro. Apple just cares about the iPhone, and a little about the iPad.

I still think OS X is better than Windows, and the whole Apple ecosystem keeps me trapped, but I don't know for how much longer.
same thing that (almost) always matters: what's under the hood. new file system. speed. stability. plus some of us like dark mode.

why not do a little research next time before ranting? information IS power...

https://www.macworld.com/article/3282418/os-x/macos-mojave-everything-you-need-to-know.html
 

ahostmadsen

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same thing that (almost) always matters: what's under the hood. new file system. speed. stability. plus some of us like dark mode.

why not do a little research next time before ranting? information IS power...

https://www.macworld.com/article/3282418/os-x/macos-mojave-everything-you-need-to-know.html
I did read several reviews and overviews (David Pogue, SixColors etc), but did not see anything new. But I never saw anything about a new file systems (wasn't that in High Sierra?), or speed improvements.
 

fisherking

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I did read several reviews and overviews (David Pogue, SixColors etc), but did not see anything new. But I never saw anything about a new file systems (wasn't that in High Sierra?), or speed improvements.
it's reasonable to consider that something has changed, with each new OS, and that (hopefully), there is improvement under the hood (which i personally care about more than dark mode, or stacks, for example). i want my macs to run fast & stable, and so far (and thru most of the betas), both macs are doing well.

anyway, this is an endless cycle; new year, new OS... and lots of people waving their arms in confusion, or anger. then we adapt, and move forward... until the cycle repeats next year. :confused:
 

Howard2k

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If nothing else, it should be the most secure version of macOS. Until the Mojave successor anyway.

I having some issues with battery life and my printer/scanner, but overall I like it. Once it’s a bit more finished I think it has good potential.
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I like it due to several issues I had/have with High Sierra.
Lol. Agreed, better than HS.
 

theStruggle

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What's the point of anything?

My stock system runs 100% better with Mojave. If yours doesn't, I don't know what to tell you.
Can't really see how you feel trapped? If you swap, something is sooner or later going to make you
disappointed anyways. "Grass is greener", situation. I have both systems - used android and iPhone.

Maybe PC is more "free" in a sense that you can mix and match whatever you want and it'll work, more
or less. But their front ends (PC/Android) and how everything works just pisses me off. So there's that.
 
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I like Mojave so far on my basic macmini 2012, high sierra had a great screen display and mojave kept that up!
The features i love are the sound source option for the sound icon and the responsive app selecting.
I might try this on a mac that is designed for Mojave to see if the responce is as great as snow leopard in 2010.
 

LizKat

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I went straight from El Cap to Mojave on a mid-2012 MBP and am delighted, and that's before I ship the thing out for a keyboard I bollixed (using a wireless at the moment) and an SSD while they have it opened up... happy camper. Never had a smoother upgrade either. Maybe it was just the alignment of the stars for me that day but imo Apple's done a lot of work behind the scenes to make upgrades pretty painless now.

(Not that I didn't have a clone and some extra backups of certain files "just in case" lol).
 

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I went straight from El Cap to Mojave on a mid-2012 MBP and am delighted, and that's before I ship the thing out for a keyboard I bollixed (using a wireless at the moment) and an SSD while they have it opened up... happy camper. Never had a smoother upgrade either. Maybe it was just the alignment of the stars for me that day but imo Apple's done a lot of work behind the scenes to make upgrades pretty painless now.

(Not that I didn't have a clone and some extra backups of certain files "just in case" lol).
Im thinking the same thing today, wow....this is smooth! I detested yelled and cursed apple after every osx upgrade since mavericks. Maybe because I dont use itunes music anymore?
 

LizKat

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Im thinking the same thing today, wow....this is smooth! I detested yelled and cursed apple after every osx upgrade since mavericks. Maybe because I dont use itunes music anymore?
Has to be something besides that. I have a lot of separate iTunes libraries, and keep my files for them in assorted different places, plus one of them is dedicated to Apple music and uses iCloud library for a limited number of uploaded purchased files that I wanted to mix with some AM music and that didn't get a match at Apple. Anyway with all that I held my breath after the Mojave upgrade but everything turned out ok.

I am still wary of how Apple may choose to have iTunes deal with multiple libraries from OS to OS in future though, and always take steps to have multiple backups of my existing setups before I run an upgrade. I don't ever want to discover after the fact that I somehow missed Apple's or someone else's announcement that they've re-thought the whole multiple libraries option for a new OS rollout. :rolleyes:

Really going forward I won't mind as long as I know ahead of time any important tips on how to arrange the existing drive's iTunes-related libraries and media files to get best results from an OS upgrade that's going to really turn iTunes upside down. I figure iTunes was better in some respects in the past but I just try to roll with it one version at a time...

Perhaps part of my good experience this time around on the OS upgrade was that I bought a copy of Take Control's book on getting ready for Mojave, especially since I was coming from El Capitan.
 
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Starfia

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Well, here's the overview of what's new: https://www.apple.com/macos/mojave/

Speaking for myself, I've used and enjoyed almost every feature listed there, and I welcome the additional security around apps and web browsing.

It seems to me Apple cares a ton about the Mac; perhaps more now than ever.
 
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harriska2

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Hubby moved from an el cap machine to a mojave machine. Other than having to upgrade mcdraft and mac cad it was smooth sailing. It seems if the upgrade is a pain perhaps install from scratch and restore parts of stuff from backups is the next step. I’ve done that a gazillion times on my windows machines over the years. Takes longer but will have a good chance of getting speed and stability back.
 

SoCalReviews

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Besides the security improvements and minor feature upgrades I actually like the new dark mode. Having less overall screen brightness does seem to help lessen eye strain from looking at monitor for long periods.
 

someoldguy

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Updated my 2013 MBA 13 from Sierra on day 2 . Probably the smoothest update I've done . Dark mode works well for me as do stacks , the whole update is rock solid . The only thing I don't particularly care for is what they did to the App Store , but that's neither here nor there re: system usability and stability .
 

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Updated my 2013 MBA 13 from Sierra on day 2 . Probably the smoothest update I've done . Dark mode works well for me as do stacks , the whole update is rock solid . The only thing I don't particularly care for is what they did to the App Store , but that's neither here nor there re: system usability and stability .
my thoughts as well, great upgrade, less tedious and very responsive!
where do I see my app store purchases?
i only spent a minute or 2 trying to find them yesterday, which i will do soon.
 

Falhófnir

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I agree in so far as at this point the new features are so scant they could probably go back to a new macOS every 2 years rather than every year, this would probably mean the OS would be rock solid by the end of the 24 month cycle, as well as giving them more time to test the next version before it launches!
 

someoldguy

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my thoughts as well, great upgrade, less tedious and very responsive!
where do I see my app store purchases?
i only spent a minute or 2 trying to find them yesterday, which i will do soon.
Log in to the App Store , go to 'Store' then 'View My Account ' and there ya are...
 
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