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I gave my son my old iPhone 4S when I got my new one, that was the first time he has ever had a smartphone. That was also his 13th birthday present. I trust him, he's very responsible. But I do think kids shouldn't have a smartphone until they are 13.

On the whole seperate logins which the OP mentioned in the first post I'm sure that for some it would be a nice feature but for me I would never use it. Sometimes my son will use my phone and he knows that he's not allowed to go into my email and especially not the work email.
 
After he realized whatever sort of restrictions that were on there I could circumvent he just stopped trying.
Haha. Very nice. I would have circumvented your circumvent by selling it on eBay.

That being said. I'm head of / computer scientist / analyst for IT security. My little girl is well aware of my leet skillZ.

PS. My little girl, 12, has a cell phone, just not a smart phone. She takes it everywhere, school included, but keeps it off during school hours. Her iPad has it's own account (well, we created it) with no credit card attached.

To all those wondering what a little girl does with an iPad: She Facetimes with friends while doing homework, they work on it together while they are apart. She Facetimes with grandma. She chats with many of her friends via skype while playing Minecraft on her Asus Ultrabook ( Ubuntu ) with them. She listens to music and plays game apps. Every night before bed, she plugs her phone, iPad and computer up to charge in the family room. Our house has cameras outside, mostly to watch the bears tear apart the new neighbor's garbage can, and cameras inside.
 
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My 2 and 4 year olds are allowed (very limited) use of the family iPad. They have their own folders with their own appropriate apps. My 4 year old also uses the iMac for ABC Learning Mouse, a website based PRE-K learning system.

My 10 year old got an iPad mini of his own for Christmas this past year. My situation is different, in that he splits time between his mother's house, and mine. I find the ability to FaceTime him when he's not here refreshing. He is monitored on use of course.

When he is 13, he will get a phone. Probably an iPhone hand-me-down. Again, it will be heavily monitored and based on behavior, grades, etc.
 
When my daughter started going to friends houses, I decided it was time she got a phone so she could call in an emergency. She is 11 but will be 12 in August. Oh she has my old iPhone 5s.
 
Minimum 13. No teenager, no iPhone :D. Unless they are a responsible tech wizard in which case I don't want to hold them back. If it's it to post on social media then at 12 they

Hilarious. In the South and Northwest it's common to start teaching a responsible 4 or 5 year old how to shoot so they can be hunting by age 7.

So age 4 for gun. Age 13 for telephone. lol

:D

Just sayin...
 
It's tough to say...I think I was 12 or 13 when I got my first cell phone, but they were nothing like the smartphones we have today.

If I had kids, I'd probably give them a simple basic phone to use in middle school if they need to call me or someone in case of an emergency, and an iPhone/smartphone once they got into high school.
 
I don't think it matters what age, they can start as young as they can as long as they can play with it the right way. what's important is that you're there as a parent to supervise the ipad/iphone. you set what they play and playtime hours. you don't want them to be so dependent on them.

i'll let my kid play with my idevice if they are old enough to know how to use it. I decide when and what they play closely.
 
When my child is old enough to be somewhere without adult supervision where I can't get in touch with them, that is when they will get a cellphone (when them or their friends get licenses, basically).
 
Haha. Very nice. I would have circumvented your circumvent by selling it on eBay.

That being said. I'm head of / computer scientist / analyst for IT security. My little girl is well aware of my leet skillZ.

PS. My little girl, 12, has a cell phone, just not a smart phone. She takes it everywhere, school included, but keeps it off during school hours. Her iPad has it's own account (well, we created it) with no credit card attached.

To all those wondering what a little girl does with an iPad: She Facetimes with friends while doing homework, they work on it together while they are apart. She Facetimes with grandma. She chats with many of her friends via skype while playing Minecraft on her Asus Ultrabook ( Ubuntu ) with them. She listens to music and plays game apps. Every night before bed, she plugs her phone, iPad and computer up to charge in the family room. Our house has cameras outside, mostly to watch the bears tear apart the new neighbor's garbage can, and cameras inside.

This is going to sound terribly backwards but I always thought the point of doing homework was to develop and measure individual learning knowledge/skills/habits, not a "group" kind of thing - unless that's the way things are going in school these days. I mean, if the point of doing homework was as a group experience, then no one should be getting anything less than 5.0 or straight As in any of their classes and "tested" evaluations would always fall short of measuring actual development.
 
Seems to be a lot of assumptions that people are outright buying devices for their kids. I'm sure it happens, but I think more often the kids are handed the devices that have been retired. I have friends with older teenagers that may get an iPhone 5c or 5s, because the cost really isn't that much when subsidized with a contract, but if you're talking about younger kids, I don't know anyone who has outright bought 6yo Timmy an iPhone 5s and given it to him unrestricted. I'm sure it happens, but I don't think it happens enough to be in the discussion.

I have 12, 9, and 4 yr olds. All have had ipod touches, iphones with or without the cell enabled, or old iPads at some point or another. My 4yo was given an old iPhone 3G and he played on it until it could no longer install apps because it didn't support the iOS version that his apps used. They all also have their own computers - again, hand-me-downs or freebies (I work in IT so my access to retired equipment is greater than some). We still have an iPad 1 in the house that works just fine, and it's gone through me, my wife, and every child.

Like many have said, it's all about the kid. There's no right answer. My eldest daughter now has an iPhone 4S and it is actually a phone - she's spent over 2 years showing us that she's responsible with the device itself before we upgraded it to "phone" capable. My 9yo girl, OTOH, leaves her iPhone 4 (cell disabled) all over the place. She's not as responsible just yet. She is also using a device that's several years old and has been passed down by quite a few people. It was her sister's before she was given the 4S. They know that if they break it, it's gone.

None of the kids know the purchase account password and so we have to approve everything that's installed. The Apple parental controls are pretty effective. They're not going to get everything, but they work well enough. Growing up as the tech-savvy kid in a world just coming into tech (I'm 35 now, so I was a teenager in the late 90s), I was never restricted. I also found things of my dad's that he wouldn't have wanted me to find. I wouldn't necessarily want my kids to do the same, but that's also... a part of growing up. It's a balance. I can't shield them from everything the world has to offer, but I can certainly try to deflect and limit it.

TV shows are the same way - I cringe whenever I'm watching something with my kids and there's language or content that seems inappropriate, but then I watch something like The Goonies with them, which I watched growing up as a kid, and the kids themselves are cursing and talking about genitals and whatnot. I think as adults we're more sensitive to it than the kids are - the first time I watched Goonies with the kids I had 0 recollection of that content, and I watched that movie *religiously* as a kid.

I know quite a few people who go as far as to home school their kids so they can control every aspect of their kids' external influence. They control who every friend is, everything they watch and listen to. I've watched those kids grow up. They're not well balanced. They parrot their parent's opinions on everything because they're never taught to think for themselves, to make choices for themselves. But that's their choice as parents. I'd not do that to my kids, but if that's what they want to do, then great.

As far as what other people think, who cares. If you see my kids piddling on their iDevices in public or whatever, and you don't like it, too bad. If you want your kids to be completely devoid of technology until they're 18, great... for your kids. My kids are fine, thanks. If you want to judge them, or me, then that's your problem, not mine.

Are they spoiled? I suppose, compared to the impoverished. They also get 3 meals a day and have stable housing, which is more than over half the kids on the planet, so should I feel guilty? I don't see how giving them a device that's no longer used and is several years old is "spoiling" them. I guess I could sell that old iPhone 4 for $100 or so instead of giving it to my middle daughter. Is the $100 worth the entertainment and educational value of the iPhone in her hands, over a matter of 12-24 months? Not in my opinion.

Is it worth $25/mo for my eldest daughter to be able to talk and text, if it means I can get ahold of her when she's at a friend's house or at her grandma's house or whever? Yep. I can, and have, taught her responsibility with usage - phones aren't usually allowed at the dinner table, don't talk or text other people when you're visiting friends and relatives, etc etc etc. If she wasn't able to process and apply the finer points of phone etiquette, she wouldn't have a phone.

My 4yo is an absolute prodigy on iDevices and also plays games on the computer. He loves playing Half-Life 2. Of course plenty of people would, and probably will, freak out over a child playing a FPS. He knows the difference between reality and fantasy, and he's only allowed to play a little while. We play together and it's like virtual tag. The girls, him, and I will all play together and have a blast. We also live on a couple acres of land and he gets plenty of play outside time, and he socializes regularly with other kids, so it's merely one aspect of what he does with his free time.

But I get not everyone is going to agree. So don't let your kids play it. No need for pretentious rage, which is the usual "internet" response. Your way is your way, and it works for you and your kids. My way is my way, and it works for my kids. Neither is right, neither is wrong.
 
This is going to sound terribly backwards but I always thought the point of doing homework was to develop and measure individual learning knowledge/skills/habits, not a "group" kind of thing - unless that's the way things are going in school these days. I mean, if the point of doing homework was as a group experience, then no one should be getting anything less than 5.0 or straight As in any of their classes and "tested" evaluations would always fall short of measuring actual development.
No, not backwards at all. It's just that you are a genius and never needed help with 5th grade math problems like:

MAFS.5.NF.2.5
Interpret multiplication as scaling (resizing), by:
a. Comparing the size of a product to the size of one factor on the basis of the
size of the other factor, without performing the indicated multiplication.
b. Explaining why multiplying a given number by a fraction greater than 1 results
in a product greater than the given number (recognizing multiplication by whole
numbers greater than 1 as a familiar case); explaining why multiplying a given
number by a fraction less than 1 results in a product smaller than the given
number; and relating the principle of fraction equivalence a/b = (n×a)/(n×b) to
the effect of multiplying a/b by 1.


I prefer that she tries to work it out with her friends instead of just coming to me for the answer. More of today's school work revolves around figuring things out instead of the memorization model of our time.
 
And tbh (and this is just my opinion) it's annoying as hell to see parents spoil their kids the way some do. IMO a 12yr old should not have an iPhone 5S or HTC One. 9yr olds should not have MacBooks or 500 dollar Galaxy Tabs. 13yr olds should not have 600 dollar iPad Airs. It's just ridiculous but hey maybe it's me. But again, it's my opinion. I'm sure some feel differently but it's all good. As far what age a kid should be to get an iPhone? IMO when they can afford the phone and bill themself.



I'm not saying I'm gonna be some mean tyrant of a parent, but there will be boundaries. And I don't mind showing my kid that hey if you want something, it's ok to work hard..:save up up your money and buy it yourself


this times a BILLION!!!!! I don't care if it IS in style and all their other friends have one. That's CERTAINLY not reason enough. What ever happened to working for what you get? Besides we never had that kind of money when I was a kid.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, 100% agreed. My Mom's friend's daughter actually wanted a gold iPhone 5S like what I have. I actually asked her to give me one reason why she needed an iPhone. All she could say was some kids at school had one. Did she ever get that iPhone? Nope. Her dad told her when she gets a little older, she can get a job and get the iPhone and pay the cell phone bill too lol
 
Haha. Very nice. I would have circumvented your circumvent by selling it on eBay.

That being said. I'm head of / computer scientist / analyst for IT security. My little girl is well aware of my leet skillZ.

PS. My little girl, 12, has a cell phone, just not a smart phone. She takes it everywhere, school included, but keeps it off during school hours. Her iPad has it's own account (well, we created it) with no credit card attached.

To all those wondering what a little girl does with an iPad: She Facetimes with friends while doing homework, they work on it together while they are apart. She Facetimes with grandma. She chats with many of her friends via skype while playing Minecraft on her Asus Ultrabook ( Ubuntu ) with them. She listens to music and plays game apps. Every night before bed, she plugs her phone, iPad and computer up to charge in the family room. Our house has cameras outside, mostly to watch the bears tear apart the new neighbor's garbage can, and cameras inside.

To circumvent or not to circumvent, that is the question. They kind of realized I was going to be a techy when I set up QoS when I was 10 on the old blue Linksys WRT54 so I could play Battlefield 1942 without frames dropping. I am guessing you don't like the bear ... or the neighbor.
 
MAFS.5.NF.2.5
Interpret multiplication as scaling (resizing), by:
a. Comparing the size of a product to the size of one factor on the basis of the
size of the other factor, without performing the indicated multiplication.
b. Explaining why multiplying a given number by a fraction greater than 1 results
in a product greater than the given number (recognizing multiplication by whole
numbers greater than 1 as a familiar case); explaining why multiplying a given
number by a fraction less than 1 results in a product smaller than the given
number; and relating the principle of fraction equivalence a/b = (n×a)/(n×b) to
the effect of multiplying a/b by 1.


I prefer that she tries to work it out with her friends instead of just coming to me for the answer. More of today's school work revolves around figuring things out instead of the memorization model of our time.
Seriously? :eek: I'm glad our math was actually math and not an exercise in essay writing. :rolleyes:
 
18, anything less is poor parenting. No kid needs a smart phone. They want one.

No adult needs a smartphone either. They just want one too.

I used to think it would be the age at which they start babysitting or staying home by themselves. Now, I think the right age depends on factors that are unique to the individual kid. In my case, my daughter was just diagnosed with diabetes. We have an iPhone 4S that the other daughter is using as an iPod touch. We are debating reactivating that phone for her to bring to camp and possibly school next year so she can be in instant contact with us if she needs to. The principal of her school (also a type-1 diabetic) has told us he frowns on kids bringing devices to school but would make an exception in her case if we felt she should have it. So, sometimes these things are not so clear cut or black and white, or whatever cliche you want to use.
 
I gave my daughter a iPhone 4s when she turned 9 so she could get in touch with me after school, for emergencies, or when she gets off the bus and goes to her grandparent's house and my mom is not there yet. She is now 10 and still loves it. She actually is very mature for her age and takes very good care of it. Had one broken screen but that was because of my other child, who won't get one until she is 18 lol.
 
Seriously? :eek: I'm glad our math was actually math and not an exercise in essay writing. :rolleyes:
Haha! Too right you are! No wonder kids in the US are ranking fair to average compared to other countries. They are being taught math in China, not how the the numbers feel about being added or subtracted.

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I am guessing you don't like the bear ... or the neighbor.
Haha! On the contrary, the bears have been the source of many humorous stories of me running around like Curly from the three stooges. We added the cameras to verify that it was indeed the bears climbing our 8 foot privacy fence and not a human with a death wish. Now I can just look up at the monitors in our bedroom and see that that thud or gate shaking was indeed just a bear. We added the cameras to the inside as part of the deal. They had the unintended side effect of keeping our daughter honest about not sneaking out and grabbing her tech gear after we go to bed.

The bears keep our neighborhood very safe.
 
18, anything less is poor parenting. No kid needs a smart phone. They want one.

You have clearly never meet a kid that does things after or outside of school. I do these things let me tell you about it.
First you must make a phone call/text message to have someone pick you up.
Second you wait. You NEED yes need a way to get on macrumors as you wait :D.
But seroiusly you do need a phone smart phone maybe not but it's not poor parenting.
 
Umm, never? Nokia from 1990’s do just fine. Games and **** are only an annoyance. Calls and Sms are the only things needed.

Calls and Sms is nothing a child never needs until the age of 15 anyways. ****ing parents who’d rather stick steve jobs digital candybar up their childrens ***** than to look after them!

I swear to god we keep seeing all these children walking around with 600, 700 us dollar devices. Why? The average person under the age of 15 is never in need or at least shouldn’t be in need of an own cellphone. When they’re 18 they can do whatever.
 
Responsibility

This is how I will do it(not married yet but when I do): My teenage sons can have an iPhone when they can buy there own iPhone and pay there cell bills. I will buy my teenage daughters iPhones when they need them...actually no I won't they can buy their iPhones too.
 
Just curious considering it's somewhat of a common occurrence where somewhere behind me at most public places i'll see a kid with an iOS device. Obviously not walking with them and making calls, but like at restaurant tables and such. Obviously just observing isn't enough to deduce if those iOS devices were specifically purchased just for the kid in mind, or indeed belong to the parents/adults that surrender them at certain moments in need of a well behaved kid.

The real reason that led me to wonder all this and ask the question listed in the title is because I would imagine many people, like myself, have certain important apps that we make want kids to access to. Perhaps primarily due to not wanting to kids to get into our Numbers spreadsheet and accidentally messing something up, or one of the million other things i've seen kids do with their folks iOS devices.. like changing all the contact info by mistake, or email, or something you know?

Maybe I wouldn't be bringing this up if iPad had multiple account login.

The magic age is 45 years of age! Anything under that age needs to have an itouch only!
 
Umm, never? Nokia from 1990’s do just fine. Games and **** are only an annoyance. Calls and Sms are the only things needed.

Calls and Sms is nothing a child never needs until the age of 15 anyways. ****ing parents who’d rather stick steve jobs digital candybar up their childrens ***** than to look after them!

I swear to god we keep seeing all these children walking around with 600, 700 us dollar devices. Why? The average person under the age of 15 is never in need or at least shouldn’t be in need of an own cellphone. When they’re 18 they can do whatever.

I'm a 15 year old apple fanboy... I got my iPhone 4 when I was 13 as a Christmas gift. And it was technically a free device but there is a data plan. And apple wasn't shoved up my ass. My parents knew I am an apple fanboy even though they would have no idea what apple fanboy means. And most teens want an iPhone and iPad. You don't hear kids wanting Andriod or windows phone. No one say "oh I want that nexus 5" I swear if you say nexus 5 at a high school you will get some weird looks and see question marks floating above people's heads. Trust me I know. I have talked to people who can kinda talk about the samsung galaxy line but it stops there and they don't say they want it over an iPhone. There is only one person I know who has an android phone and wants to go to a Samsung galaxy s5. So you can't really say Steve Jobs's candy bar is being shoved up kids ass's.
 
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