szw-mapple fan
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Most of the time it’s because everyone else around them does. Sadly you can’t exactly expect everyone you communicate with to all switch to something else just for you.
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steve62388
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Telegram stores your messages on their servers, unencrypted by default. Signal does not.
steve62388
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Do you mean the same company whose employees made decisions that resulted in the Cambridge Analytica scandal and countless others? Facebook can’t be trusted as far as I could kick ’em. Sounds like you’ve been drinking from the cool-aid and are not aware that these policies are made way over your head.
Yes, they store them unencrypted, but they are stored obfuscated on their servers in many different places by default, so that the data can't be put back together in any meaningful way. They have no data to give if asked. Their encryption just adds another layer of security to their obfuscation technique.
steve62388
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This is not true. Your message data is stored and can be accessed by Telegram. From their own FAQ:
Q: Do you process data requests?
Secret chats use end-to-end encryption, thanks to which we don't have any data to disclose.
To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data.
The data is stored. It can be accessed.
If privacy is a concern, better to use Signal which is open source and never stores your messages on a server.
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PeterLC
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That's great. It can accompany, "I can keep a secret, but apparently the people I tell can't."
They also say this:
3.3.1. Cloud chats
telegram is a cloud service. We store messages, photos, videos and documents from your cloud chats on our servers so that you can access your data from any of your devices anytime without having to rely on third-party backups. All data is stored heavily encrypted and the encryption keys in each case are stored in several other data centers in different jurisdictions. This way local engineers or physical intruders cannot get access to user data.
3.3.4. Public chats
in addition to private messages, telegram also supports public channels and public groups. All public chats are cloud chats (see section 3.3.1 above). Like everything on telegram, the data you post in public communities is encrypted, both in storage and in transit but everything you post in public will be accessible to everyone.
steve62388
macrumors 68040
So what?
‘…the data can't be put back together in any meaningful way. They have no data to give if asked.’
What you said is factually incorrect.
Telegram does have the encryption keys for your data. They store it and it can be read.
Signal does not store your messages on their servers.
rsdotscot
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steve62388
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The absolute douchebaggery of Facebook knows no bounds.
I’d be so proud to work there. /s
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