When Bodybuilding and Steroids Go Too Far

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  1. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    At one of my old jobs, we had this regular come in almost every day that couldn't even move his arms due to his muscles. He sort of had to twist his hips to reach his pockets.

    Gross.
     
  4. edesignuk thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    ^ yeah, it's just a bit odd. I'm all for getting down the gym and doing my bit to buff up, but this seems pointless. Their sheer size and shape seems to impede any practicality to their strength.

    I always wonder how these types compare to the guys in Worlds Strongest Man.

    That said, Ronnie Coleman, 2300lb leg press :eek: :eek:
     
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    It looks like (and is very likely) that he is mourning the loss of usefulness of his junk™.

    Man, it's just not worth it! :eek: ... and kinda gross.
     
  6. wongulous macrumors 6502a

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    What a fluff piece based in some rudimentary and sensationalist glances on wikipedia or something. I'm not saying that steroids aren't bad, however, most people don't really understand them. Most people don't understand bodybuilding, or bodybuilders, either.

    This is a morph. Along with the first dozen or so photos in that article. They are not real, they are retouched... making their heads smaller, muscle groups larger, adding shadows, adding veins, making waists tinier, skewing perspective to make a guy look more 'stacked,' etc. It's counterintuitive to write an article about bodybuilding and steroids when the photos aren't even real.

    This isn't bodybuilding OR steroids. This is synthol, an oil that is injected intramuscular to attempt to give size. Gregg Valentino is famous for his disgusting, retarded, and embarrassing physique that he ruined with synthol, and secondarily, his talentless hack of an article in Muscular Development where he uses no grammar, intelligence, or couth, doing his best impression of Eminem (but without the beats or rhymes) to get attention.

    He's been in several docs about bodybuilding and said stupid stuff like how he "injected his arms with steroids" and stuff. Now, I don't doubt that he's done some cycles of roids, because they're easy enough to get, but that's not why his arms are filled with oil and look like balloons. They've gotten infected from his antics and been drained at least once. Nasty nasty.

    This is another common misconception. You don't know if someone has done a cycle of steroids. Muscle != steroid use. Now, that said, at some point one's natural muscle gain will plateau and even with dietary changes and training out the rear-end, results will slow... so lots of bodybuilders will try different ways to supplement testosterone (from HGH to andro to the synthetic testosterone prescriptions we call steroids). A steroid cycle could be as short as 1-2 months or as long as 6-12, and if done intelligently include a suite of supplements to protect from things like feminization, breast tissue growth, liver impact, muscle catabolization, depression, immune system impact, etc.

    Bodybuilding or muscle mass actually doesn't impact your junk. Even steroids don't necessarily hinder any genital function if (a) you cycle them and (b) you take the additional supplements or prescriptions to prevent against feminization and other adverse effects; but even if there were effects, it is unlikely that they would decrease sex drive due to the nature of testosterone. Effectiveness perhaps. And even then, after the life of the synthetic testosterone in the body has passed and the body'd natural hormonal regulation takes over again, the body's functions (including sexual organs) would resume normally if they had changed.

    Most people just don't realize that the muscular celebs that we see on TV and in movies have often done steroid cycles, and sometimes even overseen and prescribed by doctors; the steroids on the black/grey market can sometimes be prescriptions and sometimes livestock supplementation, but synthetic testosterone (and the many types of it) aren't some kind of crazy voodoo. It's something that can be controlled, used effectively and safely, has been researched, whose quality and efficacy can be monitored, and that has a place in both modern medicine and society. How do you think some celebs can go from being gaunt in a role, and then six months later gain 50lbs back and still be ripped with abs? Hello, it's not just chicken breasts.

    Now, that said, some people are natural mesomorphs and gain muscle mass easily; some people don't even know it, because they've never worked out hard enough or can't see their musculature underneath their bodyfat. Those celebs that gain all that muscle in a few months for a role? THEY are gaining the muscle--their body is building it, and only with hard work and them consuming somewhere in the range of 4000-6000 calories a day, and hundreds of grams of protein. That is HARD, if you haven't ever tried it. They do work hard--even with steroids. Steroids don't just make your muscles grow, they make you work harder and your body work somewhat more efficiently to rebuild the muscular microtrauma YOU have caused by benchpressing and squatting some crazy weight. People with muscle have still earned it, whether with the assistance of their own natural testosterone or supplementing it with 'roids.

    Me, I've never done any and I have no plans at the moment. Maybe after I'm 30 and my natural testosterone drops--but then I'd probably not be getting roids on the black/grey market, I'd be going to my Doc and asking for "Male Hormone Replacement Therapy," and somehow by saying that I'm depressed or have ED I'd be allowed by federal drug schedules to get some extra boost, as opposed to just saying that I wanted to enhance my physique, which supposedly should result in a denial as it would be too close to criminal use.

    Steroids are criminal. Historically and presumably, it is because they pose a risk and require some complicated things like injection and cycling, or else they could be misused. And 'cause it's not like people inject botulinism to get rid of wrinkles or go and anything crazy like exorbitant elective surgery to make some skin tighter or add tiny balloons of fat or salt-water into their body... ;)
     
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    OK, I get that. frickin hell dude, I was just making a joke. Look at the photo and tell it you can't see where I'd think that? And don't think that photoshop didn't cross my mind, but there's only so much you can do with photoshop, I'm pretty sure that guy is muscular as hell. I also thought of Muscle Dysmorphia/Bigorexia, if you really want to get serious about it.
    BTW, not everyone uses steroids sensibly (LOL) and it absolutely can cause erectile dysfunction problems as well as shrinking the testicles. I don't care how naturally or "unnaturally" someone gets to that point, it's excessive and I can think so as much as I want.
    kthxbai!
     
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    I dont know iBlue it does look like his left arm is a water filled balloon sagging down a bit. If his biceps are so big wouldnt his forearms also be larger than what they are?

    EDIT: Also how the hell did he get his shirt on without ripping it. :D He must of put his shirt on then injected something :D I dont think his biceps will fit through the sleeves.
     
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    I don't know. I'm not saying it hasn't been retouched but I do think the guy is probably huge without the added photoshopping.
     
  10. edesignuk thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Biceps can get huge, there's a limited amount you can do to forearms.
     
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    Actually, it is bodybuilding AND steroids, and it's NOT synthol. Valentino states that he's taken steroids, and that he achieved massive arms through body building, pre-steroids. He also claims that he hasn't taken any synthol. I'm not saying he should be believed, but the bodybuilding and the steroids aren't up for debate.
     
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    Fun times, had by all.

    I'm surprised some of them don't show up as extras in superhero movies....
     
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    ^ :eek: no wait:

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    http://upc.*************/uploads/smilies/sm-thud.gif
     
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    iblue, if the smilie is on steroids shouldn't be like this? Of course, bigger. I merely downsized so it would fit on the screen better. :0)
     

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    I doubt their "junk" is small. They probably just inject synthol into their biceps AND their junk so that they don't look incredibly non-muscular down there. Heck, it's probably so muscular that it's naturally ribbed.
     
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    Well, if they ever make a X-Factor movie they certainly shouldn't have any trouble casting Strong Guy:

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    everything in moderation people, extremes are always bad.
     
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    I know a guy who used to be so obssessed with body building, he'd buy small-size T-shirts (this guy is a very large frame, and had got himself quite beefy) just so when he was done working out he could flex his muscles and rip it off...

    talk about shallow. Anyone who takes steriods or tries in any way to resembles those freaks included above has got serious narcissistic problems.
     
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    <Quoted snippet> Bodybuilding or muscle mass actually doesn't impact your junk. Even steroids don't necessarily hinder any genital function if (a) you cycle them......

    So THAT's why guys have the bar on the bicycle.:D
     
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    OMG
    I new this guy, that what would do the exact same thing.
    He always would wear t-shirts 3 sizes to small. Just so he would look super beefed up. I knew he was on roids because he was always angry and violent.
    When he would get mad, he would puff up his body. Then rip the shirt right off. Then go after who ever was pissing him off. Including his own friends even. Just plain crazy.:eek::eek:
     
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    Three days into the cycle, my nipples began to itch: onset of Gynomastia. Dump enough testosterone into your body and your system counters by upping its oestrogen output, which leads to a build-up of breast tissue. After long-term use, it can get so bad that some users require surgical breast reductions. I woke up on the morning of day four and nearly had a heart attack at the sight of myself in the mirror. My nipples were the size of milk bottle tops, stretched smooth as the skin of a balloon. The skin had formed into swollen pouches that looked like the rubberised nipples on a baby's bottle. I appeared to have breasts. Pendulous, malformed breasts.

    ...

    And while I knew this would happen, the physical sensation was beyond horrible. I felt this rude clenching inside my scrotum, like a pair of tiny hands had grasped the spermatic cords and tightened into fists. It happened that fast — like a door slammed shut. 'No more testosterone!' my gonads cried. 'Closed for business!' I sat up, gasping, clutching my testicles to make sure they were still there. In a few days time they had shrunk to half their normal size: plump ripe grapes.



    http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html


    Just in case you wondered...
     
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    Excellent post! Your so spot on!:D
     
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    You know Hulk Hogan?
     

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