When do we bite the intel bullet?

[venomz]

The fact of the matter is that almost every average user could easily get buy on a PowerPC of at least 700MHz. Current intel Macs offer many times the power you need to do web/email etc. which is all most people do.

Some buy more than they need out of ignorance but most do it just for how pretty it is or to brag about the specs.

Nobody buys a mac to brag about specs.

Watching a video on youtube or hulu is outside of the reigns of a basic task?

Sorry mate, but using something that slow and unresponsive while doing basic tasks, however you might define them just isn't enjoyable.

I'm goonish? I'm arguing on a logical basis.

You're the clownish architecture fanboy that comes out to chastise anyone whenever they think of moving on from PPC as their primary platform, unlike you, at least the others in this thread are at least honest with themselves regarding what older PPC macs (without $800 CPU upgrades) can and cannot do.

 

[jchase2057]

Mac OS X Lion is worth upgrading from PPC. Plus there will be no Rosetta support.

lion might push me to upgrade to an intel machine. Os updates like lion and new software that i want that i cant use is a good reason to migrate. If its something i want or need but cant get on ppc then yes ill upgrade but as of now im not that limited.

 

[chrismacguy]

You have proven a few times to us here that you are inept and probably not capable of using your judgement to protect yourself online and need software to do it for you.

1) zen - you need to stop insulting people, else the mods will come and force you back to 68K, or just ban you, im not sure, but one or the other
2) Most users would be happy on a Quadra if it wasnt for the internet. It can do office tasks just as well as anything else with ClarisWorks 1.0 . The only reason we need security updates is because of the internet. If it wasnt for the internet things such as Flash and Java wouldnt exist or would be less prevalent, however this logic also implies that everything would be better if computers didnt exist at all - which is a rather silly position to hold.
3) For most users Intel has become what they need because the developers at Adobe seem totally unable/ cant be bothered to get flash to run on the Mac properly, so we need faster machines to cope with their inability to ship a functional version. Unlike QuickTime, where QuickTime 6.0.3 for OS9 is still functional and even speedy on a 133Mhz 604.
4) The problem with online security is that hackers have a tendancy to try and do major sites, normally they fail, but it just takes 1 inept webmaster at CNN or the BBC or similar to bring large swathes of the Net under attack (albeit not so much for UNIX and OS X systems, because their security model is more "solid" than Windows')
5) zen - you have to concede that upgrading the CPU is out of the reach of most normal users (heck Ive seen people throw out machines because they havent got enough RAM - - I normally go and buy these as its a simple fix to use them for longer), as is spending $900 on CPU, Video cards, RAM etc to get the most life out of what they have when a Mini costs less and is easier. (I respect you for soldiering on, but most users aren't as dedicated and dont have the time to do this)
6) Older OS releases tend to bring more software compatibility problems with age than security risk, at least outside the windows world (where security issues is a fact of life).
7) You also come across plenty of people who keep their old computers and never even take stuff off them, they just turn them on when they want old data, and even copy it by hand to the new machine out of ineptness

 

[zen.state]

venomz:

I think it's quite fair to call you goonish. You can only see things through your own limited thoughts. You constantly speak for all computer users rather than yourself. You have to remember that other people are not you. You would think that would be obvious but whatever.

If I needed more power I would have it. I did in my living room which has an intel mini as already mentioned. Full HD h.264 is something that only a quad G5 could really handle in the PowerPC world. Hence the mini in my living room. For normal computer use and watching lower res h.264 or any xvid/divx my Sawtooth does a perfect job and always has at least a little CPU that isn't being used so it's all I need. 720p xvid/divx only use about 32-38% CPU on it. h.264 is much more of a CPU hog.

It's not just what you have or what OS it runs but rather who is using it and how they use it. Period.

 

[Tunster]

The fact of the matter is that almost every average user could easily get buy on a PowerPC of at least 700MHz. Current intel Macs offer many times the power you need to do web/email etc. which is all most people do.

Some buy more than they need out of ignorance but most do it just for how pretty it is or to brag about the specs.

I can see your point here. Even with a Windows PCs well spec'd dual core or late single core with 2GB machine with a fully protected and up to date Windows XP is fast enough to do the above. That's why I hate to see powerful PCs being sold to clueless customers that are a waste and hog resources with all the companies ad-aware and junk software. It is all about personal taste and requirements.

Personally, I only see the fashion mob going for only the latest and greatest. 99% of users with my guesses want the best value for money so the computer lasts. With Macs, you're more than certain to get 5+ years out of a Mac.

I personally went for a late 2009 Mac as I got fed up with the ill-designed and flawed Dell XPS. Nice machine if they'd kept XP support and fixed the terrible air flow design which caused the NVIDIA GPU to burn out every 2 years.

I appreciate that your keeping the Power PCs alive. It showed Apples intentions to not become part of the throw away electronics culture most companies have. My MacBook won't be replaced until I have a need for thunderbolt or my requirements change and need the ATI GPU power in the new 15 or 17" MacBooks.

 

[zen.state]

chris:

You're right about my insults. The reality for myself is that we PowerPC people/fanboys are a shrinking crowd and we just have this one little section on a giant forum. People like venomz come in here quite often and spout off against hardware they don't have to use or buy. Just because THEY think we are foolish.

Every single other area of this giant forum has all the threads in the world to tout intel Macs. After all.. it's not called the "Come tell PowerPC users how silly you think they are" forum.

 

[jchase2057]

chris:

You're right about my insults. The reality for myself is that we PowerPC people/fanboys are a shrinking crowd and we just have this one little section on a giant forum. People like venomz come in here quite often and spout off against hardware they don't have to use or buy. Just because THEY think we are foolish.

Every single other area of this giant forum has all the threads in the world to tout intel Macs. After all.. it's not called the "Come tell PowerPC users how silly you think they are" forum.

you got a point. Theres usually between 25 to 40 ppc viewers and 1000 plus intel viewers. Why venomz doesnt realize that we actually like our systems and insists he is right is more of an insult than calling him a goon.

 

[chrismacguy]

chris:
Every single other area of this giant forum has all the threads in the world to tout intel Macs. After all.. it's not called the "Come tell PowerPC users how silly you think they are" forum.

It isnt called that, and I admit venomz has overstepped the mark as well, and my comment applies to him too, in that you both need to cool off a little bit, as lets face it, its a machine, and its what you do with it, not what you have, who you are, or what architecture you use that counts (If it did wed all be using MIPS or PowerPC etc no doubt, since both are better than x86 from a Computer Science perspective). Although bashing PPC Macs is hardly appropriate, expressing that everyone will have to move to Intel eventually for the web unless they find a way of getting OS X working on POWER5/POWER6 just because Adobe Flash 15 will need a 24-core box to even load youtube is fair enough. (venomz, please dont start another flame war with zen, as I can see both points of view, and both have their merits, and both have their downsides - with PPC its that Apple shifted from it to x86 so the software support is beginning to fade, and with x86 its that it is inferior to PPC from a Systems Architecture point of view)

If someone is content with PowerPC, let them be. Same goes for people using OS 9 or A/UX etc etc

 

[venomz]

venomz:

I think it's quite fair to call you goonish. You can only see things through your own limited thoughts. You constantly speak for all computer users rather than yourself. You have to remember that other people are not you. You would think that would be obvious but whatever.

If I needed more power I would have it. I did in my living room which has an intel mini as already mentioned. Full HD h.264 is something that only a quad G5 could really handle in the PowerPC world. Hence the mini in my living room. For normal computer use and watching lower res h.264 or any xvid/divx my Sawtooth does a perfect job and always has at least a little CPU that isn't being used so it's all I need. 720p xvid/divx only use about 32-38% CPU on it. h.264 is much more of a CPU hog.

It's not just what you have or what OS it runs but rather who is using it and how they use it. Period.

I like how you sidestep the necessity of having to defend your own assertion by citing CPU usage statistics for your dual 1.8GHZ G4.

You stated that the average user would be fine with a 700mhz G4 as their primary machine.

Going by your own usage data, they wouldn't.

You own an Intel Mac that you keep in the living room because your G4 has trouble dealing with H.264 video, how convenient.

The fact of the matter is that you're an intellectually dishonest zealot who won't even concede or address the basic, logical points that I've made throughout this thread.

What I said at the beginning of the thread was "of course you're not an average user, you are quite simply an odd iconoclast who is willing to spend an inordinate amount of money and make all sorts of usability and productivity compromises in order to keep PPC as your primary platform far into the future."

Which is the truth, because as you've shown, you can't even contest or directly attack that statement.

All you can do is twist things by laughably underestimating what an average user may need to do, describe the lengths you go to in order to make up for missing functionality, and omit everything you can't address.

We're done.

 

[jchase2057]

I like how you sidestep the necessity of having to defend your own assertion by citing CPU usage statistics for your dual 1.8GHZ G4.

You stated that the average user would be fine with a 700mhz G4 as their primary machine.

Going by your own usage data, they wouldn't.

You own an Intel Mac that you keep in the living room because your G4 has trouble dealing with H.264 video, how convenient.

The fact of the matter is that you're an intellectually dishonest zealot who won't even concede or address the basic, logical points that I've made throughout this thread.

We're done.

Now that's funny. Im literally laughing. Its like he doesnt comprehend what is being said. I hope hes done but that was funny.

 

[zen.state]

We're done.

Promise?

Btw.. my Mac isn't a dual 1.8. It doesn't say dual anywhere in my sig. and my G4 is not and never has been my media centre computer. It's my computer in my computer room. Once again you make assumptions without proper info and still speak for people. Like I said.. goonish.

Please go away now you troll.

 

[venomz]

you got a point. Theres usually between 25 to 40 ppc viewers and 1000 plus intel viewers. Why venomz doesnt realize that we actually like our systems and insists he is right is more of an insult than calling him a goon.

Not really, constructing logical arguments about why and when it might be best to move on from PPC as your primary computing platform doesn't make me a meanie.

If you want to have your identity stolen because you're doing your online banking from an insecure machine a year or two from now, when security support for Leopard has ended.

Go ahead.

All I'm doing is conveying my reasons as to why I decided to move on and why most people have already decided to move on.

 

[venomz]

Promise?

Btw.. my Mac isn't a dual 1.8. It doesn't say dual anywhere in my sig. and my G4 is not and never has been my media centre computer. It's my computer in my computer room. Once again you make assumptions without proper info and still speak for people. Like I said.. goonish.

Please go away now you troll.

So it's a single G4.

Not that it makes a difference.

 

[jchase2057]

Heeeeeeeee's Back! Lol

 

[jchase2057]

Not really, constructing logical arguments about why and when it might be best to move on from PPC as your primary computing platform doesn't make me a meanie.

If you want to have your identity stolen because you're doing your online banking from an insecure machine a year or two from now, when security support for Leopard has ended.

Go ahead.

All I'm doing is conveying my reasons as to why I decided to move on and why most people have decided to move on.

im not talking 2 years from now im talking about the present. And currently im fine.

 

[zen.state]

Heeeeeeeee's Back! Lol

I just added him to my ignore list so I don't have to read his ignorant rants any longer.

And yes.. apparently he wasn't done.

 

[venomz]

Now that's funny. Im literally laughing. Its like he doesnt comprehend what is being said. I hope hes done but that was funny.

Whats funny is the fact that your number one concern is that your computer makes you stand out in a room, computers as a fashion statement.

What a sad, superficial person you turned out to be

 

[venomz]

im not talking 2 years from now im talking about the present. And currently im fine.

Nobody said you weren't fine for the short term.

It's called reading c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-on.

 

[jchase2057]

Whats funny is the fact that your number one concern is that your computer makes you stand out in a room, computers as a fashion statement.

What a sad, superficial person you turned out to be

i could care less about standing out in the room. Its a a personal feeling of individuality. I dont care what others think of my system.

 

[venomz]

i could care less about standing out in the room. Its a a personal feeling of individuality. I dont care what others think of my system.

Yeah, I don't feel the need to express my individuality through my choice of mass manufactured computer equipment.

I use Macs because I like the way they function.

 

[jchase2057]

Yeah, I don't feel the need to express my individuality through my choice of mass manufactured computer equipment.

I use Macs because I like the way they function.

Then that is where we differ.

 

[max¥¥]

First sorry I can't be asked to read the hole thread atm...

.....For the sake of conversation why do you all stay with ppc?......

just becuse why would i want to buy a £600+ comp when my current setup works fine, though i had a bit of a scare with my g5 today, screen went black and fans went nuts, pulled all ram as a test, didn't beep (now i was worried it was a logic board problem) swapped the graphics card and it worked, turns out i killed dvi on the card (adc still works tho) at least i get to use that sexy studio display i brought ages ago

.....PowerPC around as Servers....
......the PowerPC Macs are great for servers.....

couldn't agree more, I have 3 ppc servers one for my public servers (which will be shut down soon) and 2 as file servers, all of them run grate nearly 24/7

 

[chrismacguy]

First sorry I can't be asked to read the hole thread atm...

just becuse why would i want to buy a £600+ comp when my current setup works fine, though i had a bit of a scare with my g5 today, screen went black and fans went nuts, pulled all ram as a test, didn't beep (now i was worried it was a logic board problem) swapped the graphics card and it worked, turns out i killed dvi on the card (adc still works tho) at least i get to use that sexy studio display i brought ages ago

haha - one day I will get around to getting a few of those acryllic displays for my G4 and my future G5 (My MDD is barely cutting it as my a/v server, so I suspect it'll soon be time for a Dual G5 - and so both will eventually get 22" ADC Displays, because the G4MDD will take over from my G4 AGP as my File Dump/Non-Work Machine (IM etc)) - they are easily the best looking displays, Id even be tempted to put them ahead of my 27" in terms of looks (much as I wish theyd made a 30" acryllic they never did - if they did that would currently be on my desk instead of my 27"er...)

 

[WGoins88]

I usually don't get into arguments, but I will in this one.

Venomz,

1. I use my 1.0 GHz Dual MDD on a daily basis. It does everything I need it to do without a hiccup. Yes, it may be old, but it works, it's reliable, and it has OS X.

2. Some people on here may work at a low paying job (or not even have a job, like me at the time), and CANNOT afford a new Mac. Not everyone makes $90,000+ a year or has a 2 income family.

Yes, not every that owns a Mac does Architectural designing/graphic designing/music editing/video editing. (Surprise, eh?) Some people simply own a Mac because they are tired of Winblows.

and Drei (That's 3), I don't have the money to buy a new Intel Mac, therefore I don't have one. Unless YOU plan to buy me or anyone else on here an Intel Mac on here, keep your opinion to yourself. You rub off as a very ignorant person. See all the super old ancient Macs in my signature? I got them all under $45 or free.

I'm done in this thread.

 

[macgeek18]

Get an Intel machine when you need it. I just bought one because I needed Intel for VM's and Adobe CS5.