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With the way Mac sales are performing, you can expect refreshes sooner rather than later.
They're underperforming because Apple hasn't updated the entire line, so people are not eager to spend several thousand dollars on (at best) last year's technology, at worst several years old. The 2018 MBP came out at the tail end of the quarter so it didn't impact sales.

Apple needs to refresh the entire Mac lineup
 
There might be an incremental update in one year but it will likely be a GPU, storage and screen bump only.

Intel 10nm CPUs for laptops won't ship until winter 2019-2020. By then there will be more YouTuber geniuses and they will try to render 8K videos on the 10nm mobile chip and they will still complain about heat to get more clickbait.
 
They're underperforming because Apple hasn't updated the entire line, so people are not eager to spend several thousand dollars on (at best) last year's technology, at worst several years old. The 2018 MBP came out at the tail end of the quarter so it didn't impact sales.

Apple needs to refresh the entire Mac lineup

Which they will probably do later this year, I was surprised that they didn’t update the other Mac’s at the same time as the MacBook Pro this year.
 
Which they will probably do later this year, I was surprised that they didn’t update the other Mac’s at the same time as the MacBook Pro this year.
Yeah, I expect to see a new MBA, and maybe MacBook. The mini seems like the perennial red headed stepchild not getting any attention, so who know if they'll roll out something for that, and I believe 2019 is the estimated date for a new Mac Pro.
 
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Yeah, I expect to see a new MBA, and maybe MacBook. The mini seems like the perennial red headed stepchild not getting any attention, so who know if they'll roll out something for that, and I believe 2019 is the estimated date for a new Mac Pro.

Anyone know what the spec update are likely to be for the MacBook? Are we talking big gains over the 2017?

The new MacBook Air would be an interesting one, imagine if they put a Retina display in something like the Air I think that would be very popular for the consumer market. However it could conflict with the 12” MacBook because isn’t that suppose to be a consumer laptop/Mac?
 
The new MacBook Air would be an interesting one
The MBA was rumored to be scheduled for a June rollout but something delayed it for the fall. I don't follow MBA rumors, since I'm more interested in a 15" form factor. The MBA will have a low price point AFAIK, and will be upgraded to retina, which is sourly needed.
 
The MBA was rumored to be scheduled for a June rollout but something delayed it for the fall. I don't follow MBA rumors, since I'm more interested in a 15" form factor. The MBA will have a low price point AFAIK, and will be upgraded to retina, which is sourly needed.

If they put a Retina display inside it most people will opt for that over the MacBook I think, wouldn’t they be worried about cannibalising the MacBook? A lot of people love the Air design I think Apple would have a winner on their hand if they did the following:

Retina display
Thinner bezels on the 13” Air
Update the specs

I think that would be a great update to the Air and even I would consider getting one instead of the 12” MacBook.

Yes I remember that, I was looking forward to seeing it at WWDC but for some reason it got delayed, latest rumours have said either September or October I think. I’m waiting on the Mac updates before deciding which one to get and upgrade from my 2011 MacBook Pro.

Not going to lie I have thought about getting a Surface Go and given that a try while waiting BUT Microsoft don’t do the 14 day return policy like Apple do and i’m more of a MacOS lover than Windows any day.
 
Not going to lie I have thought about getting a Surface Go and given that a try while waiting BUT Microsoft don’t do the 14 day return policy like Apple do and i’m more of a MacOS lover than Windows any day.
Someone told me that buying at the Microsoft store has a 30 day return period. I really didn't look into that, but it may for you.

As for the Surface Go, its really more of an iPad competitor, its very underpowered for desktop apps. Windows-S is hamstrung, so you'd need to apply the free upgrade to the non-S version. I'm just no seeing the allure, and I've owned a Surface Pro and Surface Book in the past.
 
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Someone told me that buying at the Microsoft store has a 30 day return period. I really didn't look into that, but it may for you.

As for the Surface Go, its really more of an iPad competitor, its very underpowered for desktop apps. Windows-S is hamstrung, so you'd need to apply the free upgrade to the non-S version. I'm just no seeing the allure, and I've owned a Surface Pro and Surface Book in the past.

I didn’t know that I thought Microsoft didn’t offer it. Windows is what puts me off big time. I’m looking forward to seeing what Apple do with the 13” Air update later this year, I’ve probably got my hopes too high but we will see.
 
I didn’t know that I thought Microsoft didn’t offer it. Windows is what puts me off big time. I’m looking forward to seeing what Apple do with the 13” Air update later this year, I’ve probably got my hopes too high but we will see.
I use windows every day, and I support workstations and servers, so I'm very comfortable around windows, but I will say using a windows machine as my main machine made me realize how much I missed the apple ecosystem. I returned the PC, and opted for the 2018 MBP, and I couldn't be happier :)
 
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Intel is in a boatload of hurt right now, they just can't seem to solve their issues with the x86 chip.
I wouldn't say boatload of hurt exactly as they posted record profits just a week or two ago like. They clearly have execution problems though, and seeing as how long it's been going on it seems inherent to their current organization; they clearly have people occupying positions who shouldn't be there, working against the best interests of the company.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the next major redesign to use Apple's ARM CPUs. They'll have nearly full control of the entire Mac at that point.
You'd think that, but I'm not so sure it's something Apple wants to do, seeing the power band Macs spread across; from ultra portable laptops to high-end workstations with 18 cores, and in the future undoubtedly even more. High-end chips require more work in research and development, verification and so on, but sell fewer units, so less ability to recoup costs. Custom Apple ARM chips for Macs would be destined for Apple alone, and Macs sell what, 15 million a quarter or something? Mostly cheaper, simpler models as well; Mac Pros would be quite rare in comparison. PCs sold like a billion per year, worldwide, at their peak. Much bigger market to recoup R&D in.

It would be hard to justify developing 18-core+ ARM chips and updating them on a yearly basis when the market is so small. Also worth noting is that Intel uses symmetric multithreading in their CPUs and have done so since the early aughts with Pentium 4. Apple has yet to release a single SMT-capable chip. Not that they couldn't do it no doubt, but as we've seen with "meltdown" and "spectre" and whatnot, designing modern CPUs is really complicated, and SMT complicates things on yet another level.

Missing ports? uh...welcome to the 21st century
Well, TBH, Apple has been removing ports since at least the original iMac when serial and parallel interfaces were replaced with USB. So they did it in the 20th century also. Not sure when they dropped the floppy drive; it was a good long while ago now as well. And yes, people cried about it then as well.

So just get with the program, people. It's happened before and it will happen again! lol

It’s a shame that the industry can’t deliver regular updates to core components (CPU/GPU).
Nvidia charges too much money for their GPUs and AMD has been too damn poor to run their graphics division at full steam, not with having to scour the sofas for loose change on a daily basis to keep the lights running and console development also eating a big share of their pie. But now with Zen their fortunes are turning; they're profitable again and attracting new talent which they couldn't get before, so expect them to be back on the scene again in about a year or so. Not with something totally revolutionary, because that takes time (and a lot of cash), but something new and decent at least... :)
 
There's a rumoured successor to the Air (whether it's called that, or not) in the fall, apparently.

I'd wait for that - probably October.

September will be all about iPhones, the Watch & accessories - and maybe the iPad Pro (although that could be October).
 
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I wouldn't say boatload of hurt exactly as they posted record profits just a week or two ago like. They clearly have execution problems though, and seeing as how long it's been going on it seems inherent to their current organization; they clearly have people occupying positions who shouldn't be there, working against the best interests of the company.
Their product line and fabricating is hurting. I've not seen the details of the profits, but I thought I read somewhere those record profits were due to high end Xeon processors and that sort of performance is not sustainable. If you look at the x86 chipsets, they've struggled mightily in their roadmap and have inserted the likes of coffee lake which added cores, just to show that they are rolling out faster chipsets.
 
I use windows every day, and I support workstations and servers, so I'm very comfortable around windows, but I will say using a windows machine as my main machine made me realize how much I missed the apple ecosystem. I returned the PC, and opted for the 2018 MBP, and I couldn't be happier :)

The problem I have is that I’m heavy in the Apple ecosystem (iPad Pro, iPhone X, HomePod, Apple Watch, Apple TV, iMac 2012, MacBook Pro 2011) so the only way I could go to a Surface Pro would be alongside my a Mac. Not going to lie the Surface range as intrigued me, but Windows is where I get put off, a friend of mine had a Surface for work and she said when it worked it did work really well but it could also be very temperamental and when it played up it and decided it didn’t want to work then it wouldn’t, she now uses a Think Pad and says it’s much better for what she does.
 
That would be nice to see in the next redesign.
But i'm wondering how bootcamp/Windows would work with Apple ARM CPU's? Usually the bootcamp drivers suck as they are already :))

Easy, ask Microsoft to compile a version of Windows 10 for the A Series. They already have a Windows version ARM. Sure, its not exactly the same. NT by design is a portable operating system. Its not like it would require a lot of resources. Microsoft could probably have version of Windows 10 ready for A Series MacBook Pro in a few months with Office for Windows too.

They have done some significant work to make a lot of their code platform agnostic.

The problem is, will Adobe compile both CC for macOS and Windows 10 on A-Series for those who would prefer one particular app on the other?
 
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Easy, ask Microsoft to compile a version of Windows 10 for the A Series. They already have a Windows version ARM. Sure, its not exactly the same. NT by design is a portable operating system. Its not like it would require a lot of resources. Microsoft could probably have version of Windows 10 ready for A Series MacBook Pro in a few months with Office for Windows too.

They have done some significant work to make a lot of their code platform agnostic.

The problem is, will Adobe compile both CC for macOS and Windows 10 on A-Series for those who would prefer one particular app on the other?

Or like someone else said, they might drop the bootcamp altogether and focus on VM.
 
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Yeah, I expect to see a new MBA, and maybe MacBook. The mini seems like the perennial red headed stepchild not getting any attention, so who know if they'll roll out something for that, and I believe 2019 is the estimated date for a new Mac Pro.

I could see them merging the MBA and MacBook functionality into a single system to eliminate a redundant product line. It would be closer to the MacBook in form. Gen 3 keyboard, MB screen, 2 USB-C. Starting at $999 for 128 GB SSD, 8GB memory.
 
When are they likely to release? I wonder if Apple will update at September or in October, or a silent update inbetween?

Coffee Lake Refresh (marketed as gen 9) is rumored to launch any time between August and October/November...
 
I think that BootCamp and Windows will be a part of Apple for a long time.

It just works too good!


VMs and containers work very well also and are very flexible. Wouldn't it be nice to just be able to load a containerized windows product onto a mac and have it run?
 
But how do you get to Mac Applications at the same time? That is the reason for VMs or containers.

I do not use any MAC apps other than BootCamp. I only gave Apple 100GB of the hard drive with the balance of 512gb going to Windows 10 Pro. I love tha hardware and it runs Windows very well. I need AutoCad, Photoshop, Quickbooks Pro and MS Office.
 
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