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ipos

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argh!! the wait is so painful!


i got no VM no windows machine argh!!!!
 

eelw

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While yeah I get why many have moved to Mac only and don't want a VM of Windows. But find it hard that you can't find a friend or relative with a Windows machine.
 
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ipos

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While yeah I get why many have moved to Mac only and don't want a VM of Windows. But find it hard that you can't find a friend or relative with a Windows machine.
exactly my point.
 

sagar4995

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watching this thread... my mac cant handle installing windows 10 on VM.
an estimate time would be appreciated. maybe someone ask taig?
 

pat park

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Nov 29, 2011
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Slow internet or data caps? Not everyone wants to or is able to download Windows.

You're expectations and reality are really far apart. Taig has never released a Mac version of their JB.

If you don't want to use a VM and use Windows on your Mac, there is no way to JB using your MAC.
 
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0000757

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You're expectations and reality are really far apart. Taig has never released a Mac version of their JB.

If you don't want to use a VM and use Windows on your Mac, there is no way to JB using your MAC.

Others have though. Just because Taig hasn't doesn't mean someone else can't? Doesn't mean they can't start? There's no reason to NOT have a Mac version, and there are reasons why people might need one.
 

eyoungren

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Others have though. Just because Taig hasn't doesn't mean someone else can't? Doesn't mean they can't start? There's no reason to NOT have a Mac version, and there are reasons why people might need one.
There's no reason someone couldn't have released a PowerPC version of Snow Leopard for PowerPC Macs. It doesn't mean someone else can't. Doesn't mean someone else can't start. There's no reason to NOT have a PowerPC version of Snow Leopard for my G4 Quicksilver.

I've been waiting for so long…
 

0000757

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There's no reason someone couldn't have released a PowerPC version of Snow Leopard for PowerPC Macs. It doesn't mean someone else can't. Doesn't mean someone else can't start. There's no reason to NOT have a PowerPC version of Snow Leopard for my G4 Quicksilver.

I've been waiting for so long…

Your argument doesn't connect.

There ARE reasons you can't have Snow Leopard on PPC Macs (many of the resources can't properly run on PPC), but there AREN'T reasons for not creating a jailbreak on Mac (outside of simplistic "we don't have Xcode" or "we don't want to share our code with someone who can"; lack of interest definitely isn't a reason).
 

eyoungren

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Your argument doesn't connect.

There ARE reasons you can't have Snow Leopard on PPC Macs (many of the resources can't properly run on PPC), but there AREN'T reasons for not creating a jailbreak on Mac (outside of simplistic "we don't have Xcode" or "we don't want to share our code with someone who can"; lack of interest definitely isn't a reason).
Yes it does. Connect that is.

Apple decided not to support PowerPC anymore. TAIG has decided not to support Mac.

Same reason. Perhaps different causes, but the result is the same. Apple won't share it's code to allow others to develop a PowerPC version of Snow Leopard. TAIG won't share it's code to allow others to create a Mac version of the jailbreak.

Or to use a different example, I am typing this message in TenFourFox 38, on a 17" PowerBook G4. Equivalent to Firefox 38. Why? Because Mozilla releases it's source code to anyone and a guy named Cameron Kaiser has been supporting Firefox for PowerPC Macs since version 4.
 

0000757

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Yes it does. Connect that is.

Apple decided not to support PowerPC anymore. TAIG has decided not to support Mac.

Same reason. Perhaps different causes, but the result is the same. Apple won't share it's code to allow others to develop a PowerPC version of Snow Leopard. TAIG won't share it's code to allow others to create a Mac version of the jailbreak.

Or to use a different example, I am typing this message in TenFourFox 38, on a 17" PowerBook G4. Equivalent to Firefox 38. Why? Because Mozilla releases it's source code to anyone and a guy named Cameron Kaiser has been supporting Firefox for PowerPC Macs since version 4.

No, Snow Leopard actually has physical limitations that won't let it run on PPC. It doesn't connect.
 

eyoungren

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No, Snow Leopard actually has physical limitations that won't let it run on PPC. It doesn't connect.
Your argument is that someone could do this, not necessarily TAIG.

They can't unless TAIG releases the code. They won't. Why? Who knows.

No one can make SL run on a PowerPC Mac unless Apple releases the code. They won't. Why? Because it's proprietary.

So, just like your argument that SL has physical limitations and therefore it's impossible to run on a PowerPC Mac, it's impossible for someone else to release a Mac version of TAIG - short of stealing the code or TAIG finally approving the project.

As far as SL is concerned however, I'll leave that argument to another thread.
 
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0000757

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Your argument is that someone could do this, not necessarily TAIG.

They can't unless TAIG releases the code. They won't. Why? Who knows.

No one can make SL run on a PowerPC Mac unless Apple releases the code. They won't. Why? Because it's proprietary.

So, just like your argument that SL has physical limitations and therefore it's impossible to run on a PowerPC Mac, it's impossible for someone else to release a Mac version of TAIG - short of stealing the code or TAIG finally approving the project.

As far as SL is concerned however, I'll leave that argument to another thread.

Or unless someone else can find the exploit (which can happen).
 

eyoungren

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Or unless someone else can find the exploit (which can happen).
That can happen. But then it would not be a TAIG jailbreak for Mac.

And someone from Apple could decide to release the code for SL on to the internet. That could happen too.

What we are dealing with is possibilities. But just because it IS possible, does not make it probable.
 
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IrishVixen

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As always, follow the money and you'll find your answer. Fact is, the Chinese jailbreak movement is funded by groups that run stores that profit off of pirated apps. Their market is mostly the Chinese--that the rest of the world benefits from their work is incidental. Even some western world based devs have commented on reddit that they make more money from Chinese customers & see more pirated downloads phoning home from that side of the world than all other countries combined.

And the Chinese mostly use Windows, by an extreme margin.

Consequently, there's little to no money to be had in making a Mac based tool, so it's not a high priority for the Chinese app stores. It took a month last time, and the Mac tool that was released was basically another group that stole TaiG's code to create it. If there was profit from doing that, they'll do it again...but I suspect they found there wasn't much. Most people probably went and found a Windows machine to use well before they finally brought a Mac version out. The longer they wait, the less they stand to make from it as that already tiny potential group of customers gets ever smaller when people find alternatives. So I suspect that since nothing has come out or even been rumored yet, we may not see a Mac version at all.

Because my elderly MacBook Pro has problems running a VM (it did actually manage to JB one device, though it was painful), last jailbreak I went an picked up a tiny bargain Windows laptop that's not capable of much beyond jailbreaking. Works like a dream. But there are other cheaper solutions out there--internet cafe? library? have someone else with a high speed connection download what you need to a flash drive so you can install a VM?

If you can't find a way to work around this kind of problem, then you're not very motivated to have a jailbreak--which is fine. Me, I'm not willing to wait past the point that a jailbreak is stable. Having a jailbroken phone with all the improved function that JB provides is too important to me to just sit around hoping for someone to build a Mac version when a perfectly good Windows version already exists.
 
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