When to expect the new model?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Kaiwho, Sep 10, 2011.

  1. Kaiwho macrumors newbie

    Jul 24, 2011
    When do we expect a new model? I know no one knows exactly when but roughly whats the verdict. Do we expect 1week, 2weeks, 3weeks, etc.?
  2. appleguy123 macrumors 604


    Apr 1, 2009
    15 minutes in the future
  3. dimme macrumors 65816

    Feb 14, 2007
    SF, CA
    From what I read I would not expect it until mid November at the earliest.
  4. highdefw macrumors 6502

    Apr 19, 2009
  5. goMac macrumors 603

    Apr 15, 2004
    I don't know if January is an important month anymore. Apple doesn't participate in Macworld or do a keynote.

    The only important month in the Apple universe is really June now. WWDC.
  6. toxic macrumors 68000

    Nov 9, 2008
    new Xeons come out in December. add a month or two for shipping and installation, so Jan/Feb 2012 is a good guess.
  7. blunti macrumors 6502a

    Mar 15, 2011
    there was an article this week about the xeons being available mid nov so we could actually see the systems showing up around that time...
  8. toxic macrumors 68000

    Nov 9, 2008
    the article referred to in that post only mentioned i7's.

    even if the Xeons come out in Nov. as well, that's the date when the processor starts shipping to vendors. it takes time to install the chips and ship out the final product, so a November MP release is still unlikely.
  9. Tanax macrumors 6502a

    Jun 15, 2011
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Also remember that Apple have been known to get early access to Intel's new technologies so they *could* potentially be out around the same time when Sandy Bridge-E is released.

    Knowing Apple, I'd say anything from Nov to Q1-2012 - we really don't know.
  10. deconstruct60 macrumors 604

    Mar 10, 2009
    It would be January if Intel released the Xeon E5's on a date like December 15th ( or even the 8th). Once into the holiday season, workers start going on vacations and it is more difficult to keep folks an all skill sets around and on call. ( e.g. critical bugs in software release that need fix, logistical pipeline is maxed out anyway, etc. )

    This has absolutely nothing to do with putting on some dog and pony show. The Mac Pro is not going to get a dog and pony show.
  11. Sjhonny macrumors 6502

    Feb 25, 2011
    The land of the cucumbers
    Weren't those 'i7's' of 'server grade'? (full blown Xeons)
  12. deconstruct60 macrumors 604

    Mar 10, 2009
    At the point Intel announces availability the parts would have been shipping for about a month (or at least several weeks. ) to the folks with larger contracts.

    Mac Pros and Xeon parts are air freighted so it doesn't takes weeks or months to ship them to or from China. More like 24-48 hours.

    Very few products are released in the crush of the holiday buying season not because can't ship at that time but because there are too many other things going on at that time.

    There is a chance Apple could announce a month head's up on Mac Pros in November if shipping doesn't start till December. That would get the announcements for Apple (and perhaps Intel too) out of the post-thanksgiving crush and punt the shipping logistics till later.

    In 2010, Apple announced in July but didn't ship till August. However, that wasn't pressed up against a relatively widespread US worker blackout period. Nor is that period where Mac Pro would have to fight with other holiday presents in the limited air cargo holds.

    However, if Apple was going to punt shipment out of the Holiday window on purpose they could easily announce at same time Intel did in December and then just publish 'shipping in a month' to set expectations. IHMO is very doubtful Intel is going to say "Xeons are shipping" this time and Apple just remains mute. Unless that mix of components they want aren't in the announcement ( I doubt that will be the case. Nor that they are going to waiting on any graphics card either. ), they have little incentive to delay now that Intel has probably finished "moving" the workstation Xeon window to another part of the year.
  13. deconstruct60 macrumors 604

    Mar 10, 2009
    There is a slim chance they might. Given that AMD is expected to release new graphics cards in Q4 ( Radeon 7000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_HD_7000_series#Release_date ) that also may slip into Oct/Nov/Dec if TMSC can't get their act together.

    However, i don't see them skipping the 6000 series even though it is "old" and PCI-e v2.0 limited. That has just been Apple's pattern to be behind the curve. It is safer and cheaper for them. For them to skip 6000 and jump straight to the 7000 would make sense though if there wasn't a supply problem on the cards, finished the new drivers, and wanted to help show the upsides to PCI-e v3.
  14. goMac macrumors 603

    Apr 15, 2004
    Given that ATI has finished the 6000 Mac drivers, I'd be willing to bet they've moved on to 7000 Mac drivers.

    However... it all really depends on hardware availability. I've never gotten the feeling that drivers have been what's stopped new cards.
  15. Topper macrumors 65816


    Jun 17, 2007
    Yes, but we won't get 7000 series video cards in the new Mac Pro.
    God only knows we don't want to catch up to PCs.
    I'd be very happy with an HD 6970. But I even doubt that will happen.
  16. goMac macrumors 603

    Apr 15, 2004
    Again, depends on hardware availability. It's totally possible that the 7000 will debut elsewhere.

    Apple sometimes gets early access to GPUs before they ship for PCs, but that has happened less and less these days.

    Is the 6970 the dual GPU version? If so, no, that's not going to happen. :p

    Dual GPU cards have some interesting issues anyway. They can spit on frames faster, but the framerate is more... inconsistent. Would be nice for OpenCL though.
  17. Topper macrumors 65816


    Jun 17, 2007
    No, the 6990 is the dual version.
    The 6970 does have 2GB of VRAM though. You'd think it was a dual version but it is not.
  18. Tanax macrumors 6502a

    Jun 15, 2011
    Stockholm, Sweden
    This is actually quite easy to misunderstand so apologies if I did.
    But the 6970 is dual core. If you compare it to the GTX 580 - which is single core - you could say that the 6970 is dual.

    6990 is dual GPU's(each has 2 cores) so it's actually quad core - compared to the GTX 590 which is dual core.
  19. Topper macrumors 65816


    Jun 17, 2007
    The HD 6970 is a single-core video card. It is comparable to the GTX 580.
    The HD 6990 is a dual-core video card. It is comparable to the GTX 590.

    You will not hear of the HD 6990 as being quad-core, same for the GTX 590.

    There’s 2GB of GDDR5 fitted, the most amount of memory we’ve ever seen on a single-core graphics card

    Possessed of great self-confidence, AMD has been the "big brother" in GPU industry, and to release the top of the range single core graphics card - AMD Radeon HD 6970.

    Hailed as one of the best single-core graphics cards, AMD's Radeon HD 6970 didn't really generate much hype when it was launched almost three months back.

    The ATI AMD Radeon HD 6970 is a Desktop graphics card has a Single Core GPU with a maximum graphics clock speed of 880 MHz

    ...or grab a high end single core card such as the GTX 580 or the HD 6970.

    The card (HD 6970) comes with a Backplate and being a Single Core GPU, Its powered by One 8 pin and one 6 pin connector.
  20. xgman macrumors 601


    Aug 6, 2007
    Until some better rumors come this way, it's a Nov to March spread.
  21. SamuraiArtGuy, Sep 14, 2011
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2011

    SamuraiArtGuy macrumors regular


    Jul 13, 2010
    Eastern Panhandle, WV, USA
    Short Answer: Not Soon.

    And there you are.

    Unless Apple gets early release shipments of the Xeon chips - it's happened in the past -

    But still the best we can reasonably hope for is Spring of 2012. It might be even later, as Intel did not specify a release date. March 31 is still the first quarter of 2012. That will make it the longest span between Mac Pro updates to date, following a pattern of increasingly lengthy gaps between MPs updates.


    But considering how small the desktop segment is of Apple's revenue, and the MP being the smallest sliver of that, I don't think that Apple is overly concerned. But I seriously doubt that Apple is willing to release a Mac Pro update without Sandy Bridge and Thunderbolt, as the entire rest of the line has the features now, and the 27" non-thunderbolt display is on borrowed time.

    Of course, many Pro users are going to be looking for third party non-glossy displays, but that's a whole 'nother rant.

    So again, reign in the frothing and coax a little more life out of your existing systems. This is an exercise in Zen-like patience. :cool:
  22. blunti macrumors 6502a

    Mar 15, 2011
    if it ships this year then what does "will launch next year" mean?

    little confused. Also, about a week ago Tom's HW was saying 1 or 2 months. Are we not talking about the same processors?
  23. djjclark macrumors regular

    Feb 17, 2008
  24. blunti macrumors 6502a

    Mar 15, 2011
    very vague indeed. So I'm guessing hex core will be availabe in new MP's this year and 8-16 cores (dp variants) next year?

    If I'm understanding this right.

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