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TheDance511

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Alllllright.

I'm not hijacking, but clearly there are one or two of us that have our Mac Pro 8 picked out already, do you have a name for it yet?

You all know how important that is... :D

Mine is going to be named "Archimedes"

In fact, I've already got startup scripts written for it. I know, I'm hopeless.

im buying one the day it comes out..ill be that guy standing outside of the apple store waiting for it to open and i will name it...her rather... Lisa:)
 

flyinmac

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Alllllright.

I'm not hijacking, but clearly there are one or two of us that have our Mac Pro 8 picked out already, do you have a name for it yet?

You all know how important that is... :D

Mine is going to be named "Archimedes"

In fact, I've already got startup scripts written for it. I know, I'm hopeless.

Well, for some reason, the Ray Stevens song "The Streak" comes to mind.

"Oh yes, they call him the streak He likes to show off his physique"

So, I'm gonna go with "The Streak".
 

TheSpaz

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Jun 20, 2005
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But, the thread wasn't called "When do you THINK the 8-Core Come?" now was it?
 

TheSpaz

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I'm sorry that not everyone phrases their questions using the exact words you would chose.

I could understand a thread about speculating an Apple product but, who the heck knows when a certain fictional product will even come out? Right now, we don't even know if they're working on an 8-Core Mac so how the heck would anyone know when it's coming out?

When is the 19.5-Core Mac Pro coming out? Along with the 97 inch Cinema Displays with iSights built in?
 

patrick0brien

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I could understand a thread about speculating an Apple product but, who the heck knows when a certain fictional product will even come out? Right now, we don't even know if they're working on an 8-Core Mac so how the heck would anyone know when it's coming out?

When is the 19.5-Core Mac Pro coming out? Along with the 97 inch Cinema Displays with iSights built in?

-TheSpaz

Well sure, it's all speculation, and some is less probable than others. the ones that are more probable come from predicting future events based on past behavior. In the case of the 8, it is quite logical as the sockets are the same and one can literally drop the E5355's right in to existing Mac Pros. And two - Dell, HP, Alienware and others are already doing this. It is a logical progression. So we're having a bit of masochistic fun, no biggie.

Oh, and the "when", well Apple has a pattern of updating a given hardware line in 6-month cycles. The Mac Pro is overdue.
 

flyinmac

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I could understand a thread about speculating an Apple product but, who the heck knows when a certain fictional product will even come out? Right now, we don't even know if they're working on an 8-Core Mac so how the heck would anyone know when it's coming out?

When is the 19.5-Core Mac Pro coming out? Along with the 97 inch Cinema Displays with iSights built in?


Well, if Apple doesn't come out with an 8-core system soon, they'll surely secure their position as the follower.

The thing is, Apple promotes themselves as being the industry leader. The one that everyone copies. The one who truly thinks beyond anyone else.

But, then you look at what they do, and they deliver late.

Right now, you can't buy their highest-end systems with the latest processors in them. No matter how much money you throw at them, they cannot and will not sell you a machine that can match the power of the Dell, HP, and Alienware machines. The other companies have been delivering these machines since November of 2006. And, Apple's here nearly in March of 2007 with nothing anywhere near them.

OK, so perhaps you can excuse the MacPro. There's no reason. But, sure, go ahead and say that it doesn't matter that it's unable to match the likes of Dell and HP.

But, now lets take this even further. They have an X-Serve line. And, that is the one that is supposed to put everything to shame. And, yet you still can't get the power Dell is offering in Apple's most expensive product line. Surely the X-Serve shouldn't be behind in last place.

But, if Apple's happy to sit there in the back of the line, I'm sure the diehards will happily pay top dollar for last years technology.

Personally, I think Apple would have done better to wait the extra month, and release the MacPro in an 8-core configuration with a 4-core low-end model.

Instead, they released their flagship product knowing it would be behind the times the following month.

Dell and others were quite happy to announce their upcoming 8-core systems right after Apple announced their 4-core system.

And, then Dell and the others did something truly amazing, they shipped it.
 

Multimedia

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Jul 27, 2001
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Buzz Saw

Alllllright.

I'm not hijacking, but clearly there are one or two of us that have our Mac Pro 8 picked out already, do you have a name for it yet?

You all know how important that is... :D

Mine is going to be named "Archimedes"

In fact, I've already got startup scripts written for it. I know, I'm hopeless.
I'm going with Buzz Saw :eek:

Saw What?

Whatever Ya Got? :p :) ;)
 

disconap

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Oct 29, 2005
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For everyone who is saying that Apple is somehow behind, keep in mind that Macs have always been designed at their own pace, and rarely were the top processor (on a manufactured level, not necessarily a market level; the G4, for example, was the fastest processor on the market when it was introduced, if I recall correctly). The fact that dual quad core machines are possible or even available doesn't mean that Apple is behind by not introducing them; they have always made damn well sure their products are ready for market, and that all components are optimized to work together to take advantage of each other, so that you're getting the most out of your processor, ram, etc. When Apple introduces an 8 core, it won't matter how long 8 core machines have been on the market; Apple will blow them away.
 

flyinmac

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For everyone who is saying that Apple is somehow behind, keep in mind that Macs have always been designed at their own pace, and rarely were the top processor (on a manufactured level, not necessarily a market level; the G4, for example, was the fastest processor on the market when it was introduced, if I recall correctly). The fact that dual quad core machines are possible or even available doesn't mean that Apple is behind by not introducing them; they have always made damn well sure their products are ready for market,

You seem to be forgetting the iMac G5 revision A and B that were nearly impossible to keep working (I know, myself and tons of others went through constant parts exchanges). Apple finally got it right with the third revision of the iMac G5. But, by then tons of us had been through unbelievable defects and extended waiting periods waiting in line for our turn to get parts. The replacement parts were in such high demand that some of us waited more than two months each time for parts (only to have to wait for another two months when the same part failed again).

Then, there was the MacBook Pro which was released too early and suffered tons of parts exchanges and defects. The real problem there, was that while machines were arriving with defects from the start, it took Apple about 2 or 3 months to finally admit that the problems existed and to start taking care of the customers. Many customers had resorted to finding someone else to repair the system (or disassembled and repaired them themselves) to get by.

Then the MacBook. It arrived with it's own problems. Fortunately, Apple responded a bit quicker to work those out.

Then, there was the iMac with the integrated video which took the place of the eMac. That machine actually had it's defects published in the various online forums before the machine shipped it's first unit. Then, as soon as people received them, the uninformed immediately started complaining of those issues. Those of us who had read the pre-release list of known issues were able to jump-in and provide them with the known work-arounds.

So, when Apple will release a machine with known issues (that are even publicly stated before the first machine ships), and take the approach of release now and fix later, I wouldn't say that they make sure that their products are ready for release before they release them.

After my many, many, many go rounds with the iMac G5, I can tell you that their product readiness testing leaves a lot to be desired. I sure spent a lot of money to beta test their machines. I just wish I hadn't exercised so much faith as to believe that they would have gotten the second revision right. It was even worse than my experiences with the first revision.

A bit of time in the Apple Discussions will give you some perspective of how many defects they pass along, and then refuse to acknowledge until several months after the machine has been available.

and that all components are optimized to work together to take advantage of each other, so that you're getting the most out of your processor, ram, etc. When Apple introduces an 8 core, it won't matter how long 8 core machines have been on the market; Apple will blow them away.

I don't know about that.

But, I am sure that everyone will sing their praises as they always do. Apple just can't get a bad review no matter how poor it does.

I was commenting to my wife several months back when Apple was rolling out new machines and hardware and software on a frequent basis. MacWorld has a "mouse" rating that they give to everything they review. And, I started noticing that everything being reviewed was getting a 4 and 1-half mouse rating.

So, I started keeping track. And, every day, the new Apple product they reviewed got a 4 1/2 rating. No matter it's short-coming. It got 4 1/2. I pretty quickly learned that the rating was determined before the product was tested. The die-hards will praise it no matter what.

Now, I do like Apple machines. I use them primarily. But, I will call something for what it is. I don't believe that everything Apple does is perfect just because I like their machines.

Some people have this all or nothing line of thinking. It's sacrilegious to admit that Apple has any shortcoming.

Why some people are so willing to blind themselves I don't know. It would make Apple a better company to be faced with more truth. I won't put them down for what they do right. But, I will openly and honestly admit when I see them do wrong.
 

patrick0brien

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It's sacrilegious to admit that Apple has any shortcoming.

Why some people are so willing to blind themselves I don't know. It would make Apple a better company to be faced with more truth. I won't put them down for what they do right. But, I will openly and honestly admit when I see them do wrong.

-flyinmac

Well said. It can take a religious bet can't it?
 

flyinmac

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-flyinmac

Well said. It can take a religious bet can't it?

Thank you. I know it's an unpopular opinion. But, I just have to call it like I see it.

They make good decisions, and they make bad ones. If more people would admit when they make a bad one, it would help them to make more decisions that would benefit their customers (us). So, defending them and pretending that they can do no wrong only hurts us in the end.

Let them know when they aren't doing something the way we want. That way they'll know. If no-one tells them, they won't figure it out and make the correction.

I like the more honest reviews in the PC industry. Just to keep things straight forward, I'll use one company as an example.

Say PC Magazine reviews 50 computers. And, let's say that 5 of those are HP computers. And, they are providing reviews on all of them. The 5 different machines will carry a different rating based on the features they offered.

But, when Mac World reviews a product line, they'll often provide the exact same rating on several different machines. The strange thing, is that the machine that has been stripped-down with very few options will get the same rating and points as the machine with all the bells and whistles.

You cannot review a Lamborghini and a Ford Escort and assign them the same points in the review. That's just crazy.
 

dbater

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I hate it when people post threads about "When is (such and such) coming out?" because how the heck are we supposed to know? Whenever Apple releases it, that's when it's coming out.

Buy larger underwear or wear boxers...geee! We may as well remove the macrumor.com site... I love to hear what people have to say! well also most everyone here except for maybe... Mr. So Wrapped up in Himself
 

flyinmac

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Multimedia

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Apple Wants Stoakley-Seaburg On Board

Yes, of course. But, if I can do it, how come Apple hasn't yet?

I'm hoping the next update to the MacPro comes with these already. No point in buying a system with older processors just to yank them out and buy new ones. Nothing like paying for the processors twice :rolleyes:
The reason is because Clovertown wants Stoakley-Seaburg (SS) to properly manage all 8 cores along with Leopard which will also be more multi-core savvy than Tiger ever was. SS are only now just beginning to ship. We're only a few more weeks from the announcement in April. So don't worry, be happy and patient. :) When we get SS Dual Clovertowns it's gonna be like buttah. :p
 

flyinmac

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The reason is because Clovertown wants Stoakley-Seaburg (SS) to properly manage all 8 cores along with Leopard which will also be more multi-core savvy than Tiger ever was. SS are only now just beginning to ship. We're only a few more weeks from the announcement in April. So don't worry, be happy and patient. :) When we get SS Dual Clovertowns it's gonna be like buttah. :p

Interesting. I took a quick look at that. I'll have to read it over a bit more when I've got a few more minutes. I've been busy with some projects today.

Thank you for the link :)
 
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