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When Will Apple Release iOS 17.4 for iPhones?

sw1tcher said:
Doing so would prevent iPhone users who don't have an active wireless service plan and are just using their (spare) iPhone over Wi-Fi as a content consumption device from accessing the alternative app store.

I wonder what the EU thinks about that?
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It does seem like a weird way to do it. What if you go to UK or US for a month?

Though thinking about it even iPhones with no sim can still connect to a cell network for 911. Maybe it’s not about active service but whatever operators are in the area. Still weird.
 
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Chuckeee said:
Since I don’t live in the EU, I’m in no rush for this update.
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Bug fixes are always welcome which 17.4 will surely include and to be honest, a good number of Europeans are probably not that interested in the new changes for them and will never take full advantage of them. For those who do, more power to you.
 
BigDO said:
I’m definitely disabling auto updates for this one. Too much malicious compliance built in which is bound to break stuff even if not in the EU.
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Ugh, I don't want to update but people are saying there are significant battery improvements and that alone makes me want to update.
 
dampfnudel said:
Bug fixes are always welcome which 17.4 will surely include and to be honest, a good number of Europeans are probably not that interested in the new changes for them and will never take full advantage of them. For those who do, more power to you.
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Well that the rub, every time Apple adds a new feature there a chance they they will (unintentionally) introduce new bugs. So with 17.4 there many new major EU specific features and non-EU features aren’t that interesting. But there is bound to be new bugs. Being a non-EU user, I don’t receive most of the benefits of new 17.4 features but I could be vulnerable to new bugs. Therefore (for me) the best move is to just wait out this update
 
BigDO said:
I’m definitely disabling auto updates for this one. Too much malicious compliance built in which is bound to break stuff even if not in the EU.
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But I am tempted to install it for podcast transcripts.

Also anticipating and non disclosed bug fixing, eg FaceTime link rename, wrong grocery types, adding back magnifier in markup tool, etc.
 
Chuckeee said:
Well that the rub, every time Apple adds a new feature there a chance they they will (unintentionally) introduce new bugs. So with 17.4 there many new major EU specific features and non-EU features aren’t that interesting. But there is bound to be new bugs. Being a non-EU user, I don’t receive most of the benefits of new 17.4 features but I could be vulnerable to new bugs. Therefore (for me) the best move is to just wait out this update
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Would they prepare two update versions, one for EU users while the other one for global?
 
I turned off auto update and won't update anymore until they fixed their malicious compliance baby behaviour. They haven't had anything useful in updates for a while anyway
 
bollman said:
Afaik, this only affects phones. I don’t think alternate stores will be available on iPad, or?
If not, an iPhone without SIM is just a tiny iPad and does not qualify for an alternate store.
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That's not how that works. So an iPad with a sim is a big iphone?
 
Expecting to see it just before the deadline. Most probably on 4th or 5th of March
 
Lukefish said:
can you access these changes if you change your region in settings? 👀
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CarAnalogy said:
(anecdotal) Reports from EU indicate it is set by your cellular network.
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And possibly to a connected credit/debit card issuer. Just like the stupid regional limitations set by the music labels when you try to buy songs from the iTunes Store / Apple Music.
 
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sw1tcher said:
Doing so would prevent iPhone users who don't have an active wireless service plan and are just using their (spare) iPhone over Wi-Fi as a content consumption device from accessing the alternative app store.

I wonder what the EU thinks about that?
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We will not know “what EU thinks about that” until iOS 17.4 is actually out.

However, why would EU mind if something out of the EU was trying to fool Apple and side-load? This will just prove the EU point of being right with telling Apple to open iOS up.
 
If Apple thinks it is ready to release, they should send the testing teams back to work for at least another 3 or 4 weeks to allow time to fix the bugs Apple conveniently overlooked.
 
nt5672 said:
If Apple thinks it is ready to release, they should send the testing teams back to work for at least another 3 or 4 weeks to allow time to fix the bugs Apple conveniently overlooked.
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see
sqa.stackexchange.com

What is a reasonable expectation for bugs upon release?

This isn't really meant to be subjective, but I guess it is slightly.....but im trying to figure out what is "reasonable" in terms of bugs found post release. Now lets assume you do your normal QA...
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Role of QA is not to find all the bugs. QA is there to establish a process of finding bugs, collecting and prioritizing them, to be fixed fixed by developers in order of business priorities. And provide business side with info about current and projected stability of the codebase, and if release is stable enough to be released within the deadlines.
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QA is supposed to find bugs, and given time it will find every one of them, but the costs and the time to find the next bug increase for every bug found, to reach a point where you need to spend days, weeks or months to find a single one, that affect maybe one customer. At this point QA is no more effective.
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Apple like any other OS/software vendor will always have some bugs that they decide during QA process to ignore for the time being because it's not impacting that many customers with the latest stable release. You see this all the time with various security remediations (patches). If a enough consumers report its impact then they will remedy with a fix on the current or next software development cycle. A bugs impact can just be something that is totally harmless to a more serious bug that causes the kernel to terminate the application or processor when running.

The devs will look at the upcoming RC this Tuesday as the potentially stable build that will be the 17.4 public release build, unless a second RC is needed before the following Monday wide release.
 
Sogeman said:
That's not how that works. So an iPad with a sim is a big iphone?
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Technically an iPhone without cellular is an iPod Touch.

Maybe an important distinction to keep in mind when comparing it to the Mac, in the context of app stores. Apple really doesn't mean for it to be a full computer, just a really fancy iPod that makes phone calls.
 
If you’re having problems with CarPlay, pause or disconnect your VPN for the duration of your drive.
My CarPlay was busted 2 beta updates ago and I just figured out today that it was the VPN that was a show stopper.
 
Rafagon said:
I updated to the iOS 17.4 Public Beta today. I was hoping to see the new "hello" screen I've seen mentioned and, disappointingly, there was no new "hello" screen.
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Don’t forget to pause your VPN if you’re using CarPlay. If not, CarPlay won’t work.
 
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