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When will Haswell rMBP be released?
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It doesn't really matter even if Apple will utilize the HD 4600 or HD 5000 (as opposed to HD 5200 Iris Pro) in the 15" because we'll be getting a discrete GPU anyway. The question is how will the low-end integrated GPU (plus Mavericks) solve our Retina qualms and hopefully Quartz testing will give us high framerates and smooth scrolling performance this time around without compromises or user tweaking. After the Mavericks demo yesterday, I'm pretty sure scroll lag is a thing of the past so I'll just appreciate what iGPU Apple uses this Fall.
If it is certain that they will use a PCIe SSD, doesn't that also make it a certainty that they will use Iris Pro? Currently of the 16x PCIe they have to work with, 4x goes to each thunderbolt port and 8x goes to the GPU. Dedicating another 2x to a PCIe SSD means that only 6x remains for the GPU, which may not be sufficient.
you are confusing things, here are the specs of the HM87
http://ark.intel.com/products/75525/Intel-DH82QM87-PCH
thats what usually apple uses on their pro line.
it packs pcie 2.0 x8, much like last year, 4 of those lanes goes to TB, 2 will go to storage and the unused 2 will be spread around like they used to before or not
the pcie that goes for the gpu its the pcie 3.0 x16 that comes from the cpu, like it was last year
One thing that may be inevitable on getting iris pro, is simply because the HQ cpus are the ones that come in the BGA package, while MQ is only socket. It is simple as that, and something we didnt knew before the launch
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I heard from other members that TB2 shall not come out until 2014.
The Haswell refresh for the MBA is a GREAT improvement, but don't expect so much for the rMBP. Especially from the 15''rMBP. It's already a great computer.
Interesting. I didn't know about another PCIe 2.0 on the PCH. It's a shame that they didn't integrate some dedicated GDDR5 for the Iris Pro. If they did, it might actually be a decent card.
If the 15" rMBP gets 9 to 10 hours of battery life, it's a great improvement because it's a mobile computer.
It may be. But we currently get 7 hours of battery life on the 15'' rMBP [so we'll just see 2-3 more hours]. It really depends if a person actually needs it now though. Some people are about to attend college in two months, as much as we'd like the extra battery life/AC wifi/etc, if we currently don't have a laptop [like myself], then we would have to get what is available now.
Yes for the rMBP. I don't think we'll see that significant of a jump to be honest. [Keep in mind, I'm talking about the 15'' rMBP here.]
I'm just so miffed that they didn't even mentioned the rMBPs which a lot of us were waiting for! Not only do we have to wait half a year to get our hands on the awesome stuff they DID announce but they also didn't even announced the new Haswell MacBook Pros! Are we going to see a silent update or are we going to be waiting for Fall?! I'm struggling to see a reason as to why they weren't updated.
I had considered the rMBP but after waiting 2 months since my 2010 MBP died, and this great MBA update I'll now be getting a 13 MBA. Can't really wait any longer - I need it for work, and the price decrease is making my decision a lot easier. Especially since we don't know whether the rMBP will come in the summer or in the autumn...
But the Haswell ULV is not the same as all the normal voltage ones.
ULV are BGA package with everything on one package. It is a System on a Chip. That allowed Intel to put more of system power on their shoulder and optimize away. The power needed for the chipset and everything just represents the base of what a system needs even if it isn't doing anything.
Normal Haswell won't lower that as much because they are still largely the same as Ivy Bridge in the system power department. The CPU is supposed to get more efficient but the rest of the system and chipset does not get the same benefit.
We will have to wait for Broadwell to get all this nice power efficiency for Quad Cores and standard Voltage Dual Cores.
You can still expect some 20-30% more battery life. But not as much as with the Airs.
Also the display in bigger notebooks needs a lot more power. Even if you'd put a ULV chip into a 15" rMBP you'd probably have the display at low loads require about 70% of the total power consumtion. If you cut that last 30% in half that is still not going to buy you too much.
If you look at the first 1080p IPS panels in the Asus Zenbook and its battery life vs. Samsung Series 9 with more efficient displays, you see that a IPS needs more than TN and higher res again requires a much stronger backlight.
The current Airs have pretty bad displays compared to much of the Windows Ultrabook alternatives this time around. Most of the advantage in battery life they probably buy with these worse displays.
I assume they hope that displays will get more efficient down the line so they can put them in without too much battery life loss.
You simply won't see that much gain in battery life with the rMBPs. On the other hand the real life battery life improvement with an Iris Pro that circumvents the idiotic constant unnecessary switching on of the dGPU would probably be huge. But that wouldn't show in the claimed battery life as that assumes already that the dGPU is not in use.
For me personally I would be happy about the much cooler notebook in multi monitor setup not having to waste unnecessary heat on a dGPU just for playing a movie. Most likely I am going back to Windows though. OSX becomes less and less appealing. And now with really good alternatives the cost of a rMBP just doesn't seem justifiable to me.
It is not as bad is with smartphones, where in my opinion the Android alternatives are already better, but in the smartphone world there isn't such a big cost discrepancy in the for me interesting 15" form factor.
The 15" is IMO way too expensive. The smaller notebooks seem more reasonable in price from Apple.
I strongly suspect Apple will be updating their remaining notebooks/desktops sometime this fall, perhaps by October. By that time, the MBP, Mac Pro and iMac will all be due for a refresh, which also happens to coincide with the release of Maverick. Also, didn't Tim Cooke mention something about hardware product announcements in Q4 2013/Q1 of 2014?
I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll see some real improvements in the next MBP release. The 802.11ac in the MBA practically guarantees the chip in all future releases, and the inclusion of TB 2 in the Mac Pro indicates that it will, in fact, ship by this fall. When you look at this in the context of Maverick, which seeks to optimize this newer technology for a better user experience, I'd say we have a big hardware announcement on the horizon.
Also, maybe it's just me, but the new MBA seems to be the new "white macbook". It's so mainstream/affordable now that I'm wondering if Apple will do something crazy with the rMBP. Probably not, but one can dream...
t's so mainstream/affordable now that I'm wondering if Apple will do something crazy with the rMBP. Probably not, but one can dream...
We also didn't see anything about iPads. Perhaps we will see a combo device. Most likely I am dreaming as well.
I was considering just pulling the trigger and going with a maxed 13" Haswell MacBook Air. I only need it for photography which it would be more than capable of. My biggest issue is that I really had my heart set on a Retina display. I guess I'll be one of the ones who continue to wait for Fall. C'mon Apple, give us Haswell rMBPs in the summer.
I strongly suspect Apple will be updating their remaining notebooks/desktops sometime this fall, perhaps by October. By that time, the MBP, Mac Pro and iMac will all be due for a refresh, which also happens to coincide with the release of Maverick. Also, didn't Tim Cooke mention something about hardware product announcements in Q4 2013/Q1 of 2014?
I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll see some real improvements in the next MBP release. The 802.11ac in the MBA practically guarantees the chip in all future releases, and the inclusion of TB 2 in the Mac Pro indicates that it will, in fact, ship by this fall. When you look at this in the context of Maverick, which seeks to optimize this newer technology for a better user experience, I'd say we have a big hardware announcement on the horizon.
Also, maybe it's just me, but the new MBA seems to be the new "white macbook". It's so mainstream/affordable now that I'm wondering if Apple will do something crazy with the rMBP. Probably not, but one can dream...
^^^^ This. I couldn't have explained it any better!