When will "Sunny Cove" appear in MBP?

[mortenjensen]

So, the new intel line up has been revealed: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/12/intel-sunny-cove-processors-2019-macs/.
Just wondering when it is likely to be implemented in the MBP. No dates are given as far as I can tell.
Any thoughts?
Morten

 

[chabig]

Go back and reread the headline of the article you quoted. Then reread the first two sentences of the article.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

By the time Sunny Cove is ready imagine how much faster Apple A-Series will be.

It's best to switch the laptops to powerful efficient A-Series and keep Intel for the desktops.

 

[andg]

It is not really certain for how long they will stay with Intel. There's both AMD and ARM which should be viable alternatives in 2019.

 

[Ploki]

It is not really certain for how long they will stay with Intel. There's both AMD and ARM which should be viable alternatives in 2019.

How is ARM a viable alternative? All Mac software is written for x86, porting everything would be a major pain in the ass.

 

[Ma2k5]

By the time Sunny Cove is ready imagine how much faster Apple A-Series will be.

It's best to switch the laptops to powerful efficient A-Series and keep Intel for the desktops.

Apple's and oranges. Geekbench 4 is also as objective as Trump. Different architectures and different capabilities.

 

[maflynn]

It's best to switch the laptops to powerful efficient A-Series and keep Intel for the desktops.

If they split laptops and desktops each being on different platforms, that will largely fail. You're asking developers to support multiple versions of the same app for little to no advantage. If Apple switches to the ARM, it will not be due to the A series superiority but a business decisions to leave Intel.

As for Intel's Sunny Cove the MacRumor's article states 2019, though we've seen Intel's release dates slip so much, I'll believe it when I see it. Apple also tends to wait a while before adopting a new chipset. My point is that its quite realistic to see a Sunny Cove based MBP no sooner then 2020 (provided Intel does release it in 2019). That's assuming Apple is sticking with Intel of course.

 

[Ma2k5]

If they split laptops and desktops each being on different platforms, that will largely fail. You're asking developers to support multiple versions of the same app for little to no advantage. If Apple switches to the ARM, it will not be due to the A series superiority but a business decisions to leave Intel.

As for Intel's Sunny Cove the MacRumor's article states 2019, though we've seen Intel's release dates slip so much, I'll believe it when I see it. Apple also tends to wait a while before adopting a new chipset. My point is that its quite realistic to see a Sunny Cove based MBP no sooner then 2020 (provided Intel does release it in 2019). That's assuming Apple is sticking with Intel of course.

The new generation of ultrabooks with Gen11 iGPU's will be very interesting. At present (on the Window's side), I feel they are being held back by the weak Intel HD 620 iGPU (even for non-gaming purposes). The UI smoothness of even browsing is very clear on a more powerful Iris iGPU, so I am very excited for that improvement more than anything.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

We have no idea because... Not even Intel knows when they will get their 10nm chips ready.. They have been saying 10nm next year ever since Sky Lake came out.

I do trust Intel to make it in 2019 because they have Jim freaking Keller leading this project, which is the best CPU designer in this entire freaking planet.

iGPU gen 11 is gonna be amazing thanks to Raja Kudori joining the team as well..

However I do hope Apple gets this chips in 2019 and not 2020.

 

[leman]

Somewhere between autumn 2019 and spring 2020 I guess. It all depends on when Intel will release the actual chips. They say late 2019, but will it be desktop chips or mobile chips? And will they be able to ship on high volumes immediately?

But then again, Apple could move to AMD CPUs if Zen2 is as good as they promise, or they may indeed roll an ARM CPU if the performance is good and they can figure out how to translate the x86 bytecode to ARM.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

If they split laptops and desktops each being on different platforms, that will largely fail. You're asking developers to support multiple versions of the same app for little to no advantage. If Apple switches to the ARM, it will not be due to the A series superiority but a business decisions to leave Intel.

As for Intel's Sunny Cove the MacRumor's article states 2019, though we've seen Intel's release dates slip so much, I'll believe it when I see it. Apple also tends to wait a while before adopting a new chipset. My point is that its quite realistic to see a Sunny Cove based MBP no sooner then 2020 (provided Intel does release it in 2019). That's assuming Apple is sticking with Intel of course.

Apple has always been very good at planning ahead for developers and giving them the tools to quickly port and compile apps for new architectures.

FAT binaries, Carbon, Rosseta, Universal Binaries.

It would be illogical to think we are stuck in an x86 world forever and no more transitions will take place again. Microsoft knows that too.


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Apple's and oranges. Geekbench 4 is also as objective as Trump. Different architectures and different capabilities.

Not even looking at Geekbench. There are plenty of things we have seen throughout history that run better on dedicated and optimised hardware. Look at the Amiga vs the Mac in 1990. Same CPUs, but the Amiga had custom designed chips and OS designed to take advantage of the hardware. Very powerful for the time.

The A Series and iPad today are doing what the Amiga and SGI were doing in their day when they had custom solutions with winning performance.