Where does Apple get all these 13" 2012 MBPs on refurb website?

[lambertjohn]

Checked the refurb website this morning, and Apple's got a bunch of 13" 2012 MBPs for sale. They'll sell out pretty quickly, I'm sure, and then a month will go by with none on the website. Then out of the blue, five or more different models will pop up. Right now there's seven different configurations for sale. Where in the heck is Apple digging up these five year old computers? And why would anyone want to buy these things; they're still pretty pricey!! And of course, old.

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

They only stopped selling them last year... https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/27/apple-discontinues-non-retina-macbook-pro/

'Nobody' really brought them individually, but corporations and educational institutes brought quite a few as they're easy to maintain and upgrade, and have legacy features that businesses love.

For that reason is why you're now seeing them as refurbs, they'll likely be new models and are just clearing the warehouses out globally.

 

[PBz]

These are perfect for this time of year.. school.
[doublepost=1502285137][/doublepost]I am waiting on the Unicorn to appear.. in my case with the issues I am having.. if I see a 2015 13" 2.9 8/512 I am ordering it.. 16/512 is the rainbow-pooping unicorn.

 

[Fishrrman]

I'm wondering if a lot of these "2012 MacBook Pro refurbs" aren't really "refurbs" at all, but instead NOS? ("new-old stock" that never sold)

Just surplus inventory that it's time to get rid of.

 

[lambertjohn]

Two models left now. People are snapping them up. Five year old technology...

 

[PBz]

These are perfect for this time of year.. school.
[doublepost=1502285137][/doublepost]I am waiting on the Unicorn to appear.. in my case with the issues I am having.. if I see a 2015 13" 2.9 8/512 I am ordering it.. 16/512 is the rainbow-pooping unicorn.

The 2015 13" 2.7 16GB/512GB showed up late last night and I snagged it. Depending on how Apple handles my keyboard issue it could be my 'new' machine.

 

[Rocko99991]

Just curious why anyone is interested in these? Nostalgia? The screens are very low res, they are heavy.

 

[Audit13]

The mid-2012 is well-built, easily upgraded to 16 gb of ddr3 1600 ram, easy to replace the DVD with an ssd, and usb 3.0.

People who buy these Macbooks have probably weighed the pros and cons and have concluded that the pros exceed the cons.

 

[Rocko99991]

The mid-2012 is well-built, easily upgraded to 16 gb of ddr3 1600 ram, easy to replace the DVD with an ssd, and usb 3.0.

People who buy these Macbooks have probably weighed the pros and cons and have concluded that the pros exceed the cons.

Are the screens that bothersome now that most all other devices have higher resolution?

 

[Audit13]

It's definitely not as good as the retina on my 13" MBP but it's not that bad either.

I still have an early 2011 13" MBP that is still going strong despite a couple of drops.

 

[BarracksSi]

The mid-2012 is well-built, easily upgraded to 16 gb of ddr3 1600 ram, easy to replace the DVD with an ssd, and usb 3.0.

People who buy these Macbooks have probably weighed the pros and cons and have concluded that the pros exceed the cons.

This is why I'm still hesitant to upgrade from my mid-2012 13" (which I bought in 2012).

It runs fine, it's plenty powerful enough for what I need it to do, and it's user-serviceable (mostly). It's far lighter than either of the 2012-era Dell Latitudes that my workplace issued to me, too.

It was also the cheapest way to get a Mac laptop with a 1TB drive built-in (and still is).

At some point, I won't be able to buy a battery anymore, or I won't be able to get a replacement MagSafe adapter (mine's still good and hasn't frayed), or the OS won't support it (it's already lacking a couple neat-but-nonessential features that Sierra gives to the latest MB Pros). Then maybe I'll keep it around as a media server or coding platform.

At any rate, my mid-2012 13" is doing better today than my 2007-era 15" was doing in 2012.

 

[Rocko99991]

This is why I'm still hesitant to upgrade from my mid-2012 13" (which I bought in 2012).

It runs fine, it's plenty powerful enough for what I need it to do, and it's user-serviceable (mostly). It's far lighter than either of the 2012-era Dell Latitudes that my workplace issued to me, too.

It was also the cheapest way to get a Mac laptop with a 1TB drive built-in (and still is).

At some point, I won't be able to buy a battery anymore, or I won't be able to get a replacement MagSafe adapter (mine's still good and hasn't frayed), or the OS won't support it (it's already lacking a couple neat-but-nonessential features that Sierra gives to the latest MB Pros). Then maybe I'll keep it around as a media server or coding platform.

At any rate, my mid-2012 13" is doing better today than my 2007-era 15" was doing in 2012.

Slap a SSD drive on it and it will really sing.

 

[PBz]

The 2015 models sure do go fast.

 

[BarracksSi]

Slap a SSD drive on it and it will really sing.

I nearly did as much last winter when the drive cable crapped out. I had thought that the drive itself went bad, but Apple said it was the cable -- a known issue, too -- and replaced it free of charge.

(actually, the drive was also going bad, so I paid them to replace it; and they charged only for the drive and not the labor to do the work)

I guess my earlier post sounded like it's "still going strong", but that's obviously not totally true as it's received the equivalent of a fresh engine. But, still, it hardly breaks a sweat when doing most of what I ask it to do.

Oh yeah: Remember, it's also got room for TWO drives, if I decide to remove the optical drive and reuse the bay for another HDD or SSD. Not even the newest touchbar MB Pros can boast the same thing.

 

[ilikewhey]

The 2015 13" 2.7 16GB/512GB showed up late last night and I snagged it. Depending on how Apple handles my keyboard issue it could be my 'new' machine.

how much did you pay for it. if you dont mind me asking,

 

[PBz]

how much did you pay for it. if you dont mind me asking,

When the 2015 13" 2.7 8GB/256GB model appears it's $1,099

The one I just bought is 2015 13" 2.7 16GB/512GB for $1,439. I think a 2.9 version of this pops up occasionally for about $1,600.

There was a higher processor one that was same as equivalent 2016 last night. The 2015s go fast so if you want one you have to pull the trigger. Same 14 day return policy applies.

My 2016 13" TB 8/512 is being diagnosed by repair depot right now. It's the second keyboard I am on. If they replace it.. and I think they will as I actually have video of the issue.. that will be my third keyboard since buying this laptop and I was late to find the issue.

 

[ilikewhey]

When the 2015 13" 2.7 8GB/256GB model appears it's $1,099

The one I just bought is 2015 13" 2.7 16GB/512GB for $1,439. I think a 2.9 version of this pops up occasionally for about $1,600.

There was a higher processor one that was same as equivalent 2016 last night. The 2015s go fast so if you want one you have to pull the trigger. Same 14 day return policy applies.

My 2016 13" TB 8/512 is being diagnosed by repair depot right now. It's the second keyboard I am on. If they replace it.. and I think they will as I actually have video of the issue.. that will be my third keyboard since buying this laptop and I was late to find the issue.

1439? jeez i didn't know a 2 year old last gen mbp can still command such a price, i guess that says alot about the new mbp lol.

i'm trying to find a 16gb model since ram is the only important bit not replaceable in the rMBP. do you think they can have like a 128gb 16gb model for under 1k?

 

[PBz]

1439? jeez i didn't know a 2 year old last gen mbp can still command such a price, i guess that says alot about the new mbp lol.

i'm trying to find a 16gb model since ram is the only important bit not replaceable in the rMBP. do you think they can have like a 128gb 16gb model for under 1k?

The 2015 is still a very good machine. The aggregate Geekbench scores may be a tad lower but if you dive into some of the details I think it scored better in some areas of importance to me.

There is a 2015 13" 2.7 8/128 for $929. I don't think I have seen a 16/256 but you never know what pops up. I am guessing even a 16/128 would be around $1K. I can say the Apple Refurbished 2015 13" 2.7 8/256 I have is flawless. It looks, feels and works wonderfully. I had some hiccups in LR but I think I had just imported about 150 RAW and maybe they were rendering. I tested again last night and LR worked well with a few images at a time. It never went over 7GB of RAM usage.

I have very little faith in my 2016. The keyboard failed within a week of having it back from repair. I am working with Apple on it and they are being amazing but I really want them to replace it with a 2017. I have very little faith that the keyboard I get back from this repair will be any different.

 

[Rocko99991]

The 2015 is still a very good machine. The aggregate Geekbench scores may be a tad lower but if you dive into some of the details I think it scored better in some areas of importance to me.

There is a 2015 13" 2.7 8/128 for $929. I don't think I have seen a 16/256 but you never know what pops up. I am guessing even a 16/128 would be around $1K. I can say the Apple Refurbished 2015 13" 2.7 8/256 I have is flawless. It looks, feels and works wonderfully. I had some hiccups in LR but I think I had just imported about 150 RAW and maybe they were rendering. I tested again last night and LR worked well with a few images at a time. It never went over 7GB of RAM usage.

I have very little faith in my 2016. The keyboard failed within a week of having it back from repair. I am working with Apple on it and they are being amazing but I really want them to replace it with a 2017. I have very little faith that the keyboard I get back from this repair will be any different.

What's the difference between keyboards from 16-17'?

 

[EnderBeta]

Are the screens that bothersome now that most all other devices have higher resolution?

No not really.

 

[PBz]

What's the difference between keyboards from 16-17'?

That's the $64K question. ....probably much higher than $64K from what I am seeing...

From what I have heard and researched there are less incidents of the keyboard with the 2017. That could be for many reasons.. only Apple knows the answer...

.. could it be that Apple solved the 2016 keyboard issue and it was key-related?
.. could it be that the keyboard issue was battery related and the 2017 doesn't have the same battery..

Only they know. In my case, I am only 4 months from being out of warranty. Apple has recently offered me some things but I don't feel that I should have to buy insurance on a keyboard that has been defective since I got it. I also don't have a lot of faith in the 2016 replacement parts (my only data point is my almost repair failure). With a 2017 replacement I could slap AC+ on it and ride this issue out if it affects the 2017. I would have 3 years and better hardware for my troubles.

 

[EnderBeta]

That's the $64K question. ....probably much higher than $64K from what I am seeing...

From what I have heard and researched there are less incidents of the keyboard with the 2017. That could be for many reasons.. only Apple knows the answer...

.. could it be that Apple solved the 2016 keyboard issue and it was key-related?
.. could it be that the keyboard issue was battery related and the 2017 doesn't have the same battery..

Only they know. In my case, I am only 4 months from being out of warranty. Apple has recently offered me some things but I don't feel that I should have to buy insurance on a keyboard that has been defective since I got it. I also don't have a lot of faith in the 2016 replacement parts (my only data point is my almost repair failure). With a 2017 replacement I could slap AC+ on it and ride this issue out if it affects the 2017. I would have 3 years and better hardware for my troubles.

Sorry off topic:

WOW Apple introduced AppleCare plus for MacBooks! I'm getting that for sure on my next MacBook.

 

[Rocko99991]

That's the $64K question. ....probably much higher than $64K from what I am seeing...

From what I have heard and researched there are less incidents of the keyboard with the 2017. That could be for many reasons.. only Apple knows the answer...

.. could it be that Apple solved the 2016 keyboard issue and it was key-related?
.. could it be that the keyboard issue was battery related and the 2017 doesn't have the same battery..

Only they know. In my case, I am only 4 months from being out of warranty. Apple has recently offered me some things but I don't feel that I should have to buy insurance on a keyboard that has been defective since I got it. I also don't have a lot of faith in the 2016 replacement parts (my only data point is my almost repair failure). With a 2017 replacement I could slap AC+ on it and ride this issue out if it affects the 2017. I would have 3 years and better hardware for my troubles.

Hmm. Interesting. Could it be the 2016's have more time on them and that's why we are seeing more issues?

 

[jerryk]

I nearly did as much last winter when the drive cable crapped out. I had thought that the drive itself went bad, but Apple said it was the cable -- a known issue, too -- and replaced it free of charge.

(actually, the drive was also going bad, so I paid them to replace it; and they charged only for the drive and not the labor to do the work)

I guess my earlier post sounded like it's "still going strong", but that's obviously not totally true as it's received the equivalent of a fresh engine. But, still, it hardly breaks a sweat when doing most of what I ask it to do.

Oh yeah: Remember, it's also got room for TWO drives, if I decide to remove the optical drive and reuse the bay for another HDD or SSD. Not even the newest touchbar MB Pros can boast the same thing.

I struggle with this before I replaced my 2011 13" in early 2016. But, a pound+ less in weight, 1/2 the thickness, 4X SSD performance increase, and the huge increase in screen quality pushed me over the edge.

I willed the old system to one of my kids, but I really do not miss it.

 

[PBz]

The 2015 2.7 8/256 just turned in Geekbench 4 score of 3782/7247 ....not bad.. not bad..