It just bothers me that users on here are able to lie about insider sources, and it was obviously pretty blatant.
Not trying to backseat mod or anything, but it just gets to me. Communities are supposed to help each other, not intentionally mislead.
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Where would a 4K iMac leave Mac Pro users if no 4K TBD is announced?
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It just bothers me that users on here are able to lie about insider sources, and it was obviously pretty blatant.
Not trying to backseat mod or anything, but it just gets to me. Communities are supposed to help each other, not intentionally mislead.
The strange thing is I was thinking they'd do a 4k 21" in addition to the 27", but it seems they didn't.
The guy suggesting that was totally off.
So are we to assume the nMP won't be getting an updated until Mid 2015 for Broadwell? I cannot fathom why they couldn't have stuck Haswell EP parts into the new machines by now.
VirtualRain
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Agreed. I don't think it was a bad idea, it just obviously didn't become a reality.
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No one knows. It could happen any time or not at all, although the fact that they DID update the Mini (albeit a year late) does indicate that they aren't shying away from Haswell updates on the desktop systems.
Unless Intel's release cycle has changed and I'm not aware of it, Broadwell-EP won't be out until late next year. I don't think they'll wait that long.
We'll see. They may not have wanted to do an upgrade on a pro machine without 5k support in the same event that they announced a 5k iMac.
Hopefully we aren't waiting until Apple release a 5k Thunderbolt display. 🙁
Gav Mack
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And will the d300 base GPU have enough grunt to drive it perfectly?
I actually did expect a tb2 display to be announced, a nice silent one as I can imagine that iMac isnt going to be dead quiet after a few months use, you'll be able to dry your hands round the back after a trip to the bog!
Based on the spec on Apple's website, there is no target display mode for the 5K iMac.
I have a MacPro5,1 and I am thinking about getting a video card that supports 4K. Now with the 5K iMac announced but with not target display mode, I am wondering if I should just abandon the MacPro. sigh..
Verification that the 5k iMac display is fed by MST/two DP 1.2 channels:
https://twitter.com/DumbYellowDog/status/522860946029416448
https://twitter.com/DumbYellowDog/status/522860946029416448
mikeboss
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AnandTech says otherwise: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8623/hands-on-apples-imac-with-retina-display
Gav Mack
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gugy
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It's disappointing that TB displays were not updated at 5k like the iMac.
I can only hope it is a matter of time to see it.
Maybe Apple is working on a way to make it available for nMP and cMP models. At least this is what I tell myself. 😀
It will be heartbreaking owning a MP and not able to buy one of these 5K displays. I really not looking to get an iMac.
I can only hope it is a matter of time to see it.
Maybe Apple is working on a way to make it available for nMP and cMP models. At least this is what I tell myself. 😀
It will be heartbreaking owning a MP and not able to buy one of these 5K displays. I really not looking to get an iMac.
After an hour on the phone with Apple, their best guess is yes, but no one could say at what resolution or refresh rate and whether it was SST or MST. I got way up the chain and still couldn't get any details because apparently, no one knows for sure yet. I can't fathom why someone in Cupertino hasn't tried it and written it up yet in their KB. Surely they have an nMP, a 5K iMac and a TB cable lying around the building somewhere.
Don't be so sure about that. See above. I got some crazy answers at level one that made no sense at all.
VirtualRain
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Fascinating...
If this is true, you can pretty much forget about any kind of similar TB display offering.
I'm guessing, given the guys Twitter bio, he's an engineer on the iMac.
Anand concludes that it's the same panel Dell is using. Given that, I very seriously doubt Apple is using an overlocked form of DP. Dell has to get the panel working with some sort of wire.
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If you use just a single MDP, you get 4K on it.
Apple had to use some sort of magic/gaming the specs.
As people more in sync with hardware have said they have to wait for DP 1.3 to push a 5k signal over a single input. dp 1.2 only does 4k.
Right, that's what I'm saying. Apple guy is saying they used two channels. Dell is using two channels. Same panel. Seems to check out to me. I think Anand is a little off base with their reasoning.
A 4K 21" dispaly wouldn't need a custom display controller. 4K is inside the realm of DP1.2 bandwidth. If just ease up to a 24" 4K iMac it is down right almost trivial ( as Dell and others sell a 24" 4K monitor already http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=860-BBCD )
5K iMac makes more sense short term though because there is a $2,499 price hole in the iMac - Mac Pro spectrum that Apple left open when they moved the base Mac Pro up to $2,999. It isn't very surprising at all that Apple has stuffed an "iMac Pro" into that hole.
When 5K ( and 21-24" 4K ) prices fall so that Apple can slide the smaller 4K screen at the current iMac price points then they'll Retina across the line up. In mean time it would highly clutter the line up if started overlapping 'regular' 27" iMacs with a string of hiDPI 21-24" models.
Even above it being an Apple employee if it is the same panel as the Dell there is a decent chance that this "magical" display that Apple is gushing about creating has a good chance of being the same as the one in the Dell too. At that point, both panels are likely to use the same solutions because they are essentially the same hardware. The hyperbole of Apple claiming "we" invented all of this when other folks have to same basic tech.... the notion that the display controller is so advanced to leap the bandwidth problem kind of goes out the window also.
if swallow all of Apple's Marketing you'd believe they invented Gorilla Glass also. Or that created bulk of M7 processor ( when Chipworks scan says otherwise). This may fall into same category.
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A single TCON shouldn't necessarily mean that the TCON only has one input; just that is just one timing/display controller. If the design is completely custom they could just design it to take two inputs and dole out the pixels appropriately. That make turn out simpler to do than designing one input that runs at some proprietary speed with a hacked GPU output(s).
The two inputs means more driver/software work but that is probably less risky than some trying to mimic DP1.3 with DP1.2 hardware foundation. But Apple already had to deal with MST for TCONs that can't handle 4K 60Hz input. This is new bandwidth level but likely along the same class of issue.
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Tutor
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Where would a 5K iMac leave Mac Pro users if no 4K TBD is announced?
Jaw dropping.
Those 5K iMacs might act as termites do if Apple doesn't act fast to shore up the next level on which the base 2013 MPs now reside. So that "short term" really needs to be very short and those new base level MPs need to be ramped up in performance and priced competitively, or the termites will quickly chump away the base of the MP supports.
Jaw dropping.
Those 5K iMacs might act as termites do if Apple doesn't act fast to shore up the next level on which the base 2013 MPs now reside. So that "short term" really needs to be very short and those new base level MPs need to be ramped up in performance and priced competitively, or the termites will quickly chump away the base of the MP supports.
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