Where would we be without Apple?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by OGDaniel, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. OGDaniel macrumors 6502a


    Dec 24, 2009
    Without Apple Computers, I could only imagine where the world would be. Nowadays, everyone has some kind of smart phone and they're all running some kind of app to make things easier. There are probably more portable computers in use by the average person nowadays as well, and we know Apple created the laptop as we know it today in the 90's. I now feel like the iPod has been around forever, but it's hardly ten years old. And the iPhone isn't even four years old yet, and it didn't even have any third party apps when it first came out. What iPhone user could now imagine life without one? I remember when I first got my iPod touch I remember thinking how blazing fast it was on the Internet and how much joy it brought me. And now I can't imagine life without it. I'm feeling the same feelings with the iPad that I had with the Touch. It seems anything that Apple does just keeps pushing the envelope with modern computing and how we all live our lives. I could only imagine what the whole world would be like if Apple Inc. ran everything.
    Just think about what your life would be without Apple. It's actually a pretty hard thing for me to do.

  2. AV8TOR macrumors regular


    Mar 8, 2010
    Fort Worth TX
    Your right some pretty innovative times changing products came from Apple.
    We would all be here asking why we don't have any cool stuff.
  3. IntelliUser macrumors 6502

    Nov 1, 2009
    Why does it matter?
    Well, first of all OSes would not have or would have a much more basic GUI. Especially Windows, Aero has been obviously made as of to copy Aqua, if Aqua never existed in the first place Windows 7 would probably look like this

    that is IF they would've ever been able to abandon the Classic theme.

    The Mp3 player market would be pretty stale, with nothing innovative. Oh, and no Zune out there.

    The Smartphone market? Probably just keeping on with Windows Mobile and Symbian, with few, expensive ones with unresponsive touch screens and a very limited number of applications.

    Finally: Adobe wouldn't even exist, floppies would've died much later, the internet would be slower, USB 2.0 would've arrived just now in 2010, no firewire, PC laptops wouldn't have a good design to clone so they'd be stuck in their ugly, thick plastic shells (at least nowadays some manufactures are actually "inspired" by (or better, to copy) the Macs' design; the tablet market would be stagnant, mice might've not existed, Windows would lack a lot of features etc.

    The tech world would be about 10 years behind, with probably no chance to reinvent what should've been invented by Apple.
  4. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604


    May 28, 2005
    Please. Aero is a lot more like Beryl for Linux than anything Apple ever did. XP came out before Apple was a threat. Vista's feature set was complete before Apple switched to Intel, so Vista is a good place to go from. After the Vista backlash, MS went through a re-structuring of personnel, and while I think Windows 7 was as good as it was due to competition, I believe that Linux being free is competition enough for MS to keep improving Windows.

    Here's where we see Apple's influence. I am typing on a Dell with an aluminum exterior. The lines are very clean. However, back in 2004 there were mainstream laptops that were just as thin as the current MBP's, so all Apple was able to do was increase the prominence of good design, which Dell et al have begun to consider. Having said that, they were slowly getting there... but Apple gave them a swift kick.

    Apple literally blew the pants off of the smartphone industry. Without Apple, the smartphones would be like BlackBerry's or clunky like WinMo. Without Apple, Palm would have had a much better fighting chance, but ultimately Palm and Google would have forced MS's hand in Windows Phone 7.
  5. *LTD* macrumors G4


    Feb 5, 2009
    LOL, that is one fugly laptop.
  6. MisterMe macrumors G4


    Jul 17, 2002
    What a great question, but what terrible answers!

    Apple invented the personal computer as we know it. It didn't start with the iPod; it started with the Apple I. To be sure, there were other players besides Jobs and Wozniak. However, the personal computer industry in particular and our lives in general would be very different today without Apple. No other company has been as successful in bringing innovation to market as Apple. Some of Apple's innovative products may have been produced by other companies, but many would not have been.
  7. danielcox macrumors member

    Apr 19, 2010
    I disagree with those points.
  8. MisterMe macrumors G4


    Jul 17, 2002
    One of his points is undeniable for all but the most rabid Microsoft fans. Microsoft attempted to develop Windows on its own. It failed. However, it needed code licensed from Apple to do the trick. Without Apple, Windows would be a very different animal.
  9. *LTD* macrumors G4


    Feb 5, 2009
    It already is, MisterMe . . . it already is. ;)
  10. McGiord macrumors 601


    Oct 5, 2003
    Dark Castle
    who knows....let's see if someone do a side story documentary ala Lost..and show us

    I only wish more companies are influenced by them, so we can start receiving better products and services, just to name one industry: airplanes, and airlines
  11. zap2 macrumors 604


    Mar 8, 2005
    Washington D.C
    You provided a very good argument to back that up, thanks!
  12. kdarling macrumors P6


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    The Apple I was just a board. You supplied the power, keyboard, etc. It wasn't widely known or bought.

    The Apple II was a first all-in-one complete personal computer "as we know it", but then so were the Atari, PET and the TRS-80, all of which came along at the same time.

  13. MisterMe macrumors G4


    Jul 17, 2002
    The fact that the Apple I was a board does not diminish the fact that it was the Apple's first computer. Otherwise, you have some errors of fact. The Commodore PET was a pioneer. There were many TRS-80s. However, the first TRS-80 was the TRS-80 Model I which I used. It was also a pioneer. The Atari came along later. However, of the hardware manufacturers that you named and all that you did not name, Apple is the CPU manufacturer left standing. At least, that is what I will insist until someone shows me a new Exidy Sorcerer.
  14. kernkraft macrumors 68020


    Jun 25, 2009
    What happened, if...

    Fortunately, we wouldn't know. That's the beauty of life. We wouldn't know and wouldn't miss anything. If there was a pressing need for anything, somebody else would fill it; in fact other companies have and will do.

    Make magically Microsoft disappear today, that would have a severe effect on more people's lives.
  15. MisterMe macrumors G4


    Jul 17, 2002
    In terms of the meat on many people's tables--yes. A lot of piglets suckle at that teat. In terms of the danger of products that would not have existed otherwise--not so much.
  16. H00513R macrumors 6502a


    Mar 12, 2010
  17. belvdr macrumors 603

    Aug 15, 2005
    No longer logging into MR
    I'm not sure how Apple has made the Internet any faster either.
  18. gkarris macrumors 604


    Dec 31, 2004
    "No escape from Reality..."
  19. danielcox macrumors member

    Apr 19, 2010

    Why - when floppies were around barely anyone was crazy enough to use a Mac, even in the early OS X days there weren't enough users. What killed the floppy is cheap USB storage and more universal email access.


    USB was an Intel invention and of course Apple tried to get rid of it with Firewire.

    They would've been around eventually, Apple just speeded the process up by a few years.

    Some perhaps, not a lot.
  20. MisterMe macrumors G4


    Jul 17, 2002

    The Universal Serial Bus (USB) ... began development in 1994 by a group of seven companies: Compaq, DEC, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, NEC and Nortel.[1]

    FireWire ... was initiated by Apple (in 1986) and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics).[2]

    1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus

    2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface
  21. thatrandomguy macrumors regular

    Nov 14, 2009
    Disclaimer: I'm a PC user, and I don't have a serious problem with Macs other than that they don't offer a machine I want to buy (namely, an affordable upgradeable midtower).

    Friend linked me here. Said it would send me into incoherent rage. I doubt it.

    I'm not really disagreeing with anything you've said thus far, I'm just confused on what particularly innovative things Apple did with the laptop. Always happy to learn and admit areas I am less knowledgeable abuot.

    It's pretty wild, I remember seeing the first generation iPod and liking the idea, but absolutely hating the device itself (specifically the mech. wheel).

    When my brother got an iPod Touch 3G with the synaptic wheel and the 4 buttons above it...I was pretty impressed. Less so with syncing with MusicMatch (the very Mac faithful will not understand how painful that was... iTunes for Windows was infinitely better, although I prefer using foo_dop with Foobar2000 for iPod syncing now myself).

    Apple's done a good job with the iPod/iPhone OS overall user experience. WebKit scales really well on the device. The "closed garden" works well from the pocketable device size- bad crap doesn't screw things up, there's some quality control, etc...

    I had an hour hands on with an iPad and I was less impressed. The gestures are nice, and I was happy that Apple could keep the battery life up -true enough, the battery gauge barely dropped.

    In other aspects, I was less impressed. Perhaps I'll get some flak for saying this (I'm on MacRumors, I'll get flayed) but I don't get the appeal myself... it's not pocketable, but it's very locked down in what it will run. It'll fit in a bag like a laptop, but it won't run nearly as much software.

    Perhaps as a nerd I miss the point. But I love my touch. And I feel that - yes, I'm going to say it- the iPad is a bigger iPod Touch. There's not really anything "magical" about the device to me. Sorry.

    Any time one company leads the market, it leads to stagnation and decay. Apple is not a charity- it is a business. A business that is efficient at satisfying their users, but at the end of the day, the main priority is stockholders.

    And if Apple had a monopoly, they wouldn't have to work for their marketshare.

    This isn't a hit against Apple- monopolies suck in general.

    It's a little easier for me, since I don't use a Mac (it wouldn't be the end of the world, namely ;) )

    I heartily disagree. Making everything look better was the direction of the market- everything was getting shiny, everything was supporting transparency. It had started seriously with XP and moved on even more heavily in Vista (due to the release being delayed several times)

    So if Apple didn't exist, nobody else would try to gain a competitive advantage?

    A large part of the reason Apple's kept the iPod market to such a degree is because they moved in the field early, thought of an intuitive control scheme, and kept thinking of newer usability features- many of which they patented, so other companies can't use their ideas (which is interesting when you hear a younger Steve Jobs talk about how good artists invent, but great artists steal, and the reason why the Mac was so great was because they stole all the best ideas... Jobs certainly changed position, eh :p ).

    I've seen some neat players come out of Cowon and Archos. And for a small player- I'm sorry, Macrumors- the Sansa Clip+ beats the Shuffle so hard it's not funny. In fact, I'm starting to prefer it over my 2nd gen Nano... :eek:

    I disagree. BBM was still growing as the iPod OS came out, and Google wanted to get on the mobile platform (knowing that, if they made the OS, most manufacturers wouldn't change the default mobile search from Google, and they could ensure an open platform that allowed the use of their services. Now with iAds, it's becoming interesting for Google... Apple could make a huge impact with a mobile search engine)

    If the Mac didn't exist, I think it's more than likely they would have developed for another platform ;)

    They may have died quick in the Mac world, but in the PC world, they died many years after it became absent from the Mac lineup. USB memory becoming affordable killed the floppy.

    I am struggling to see Apple's involvement with broadband penetration and speeds.

    USB 3.0 was inevitable.

    Yeah, which is a shame. Firewire was the BetaMax (although USB was so bad for important applications- like video capture- that it never died completely, but it lost on the majority of devices) - technically superior, but more expensive. Namely, the royalties

    Disagree, it's been momentum for a long time. I like the designs of ThinkPads (which some might argue are big, blocky plastic shells- magnesium alloy rollcage, no flex, pretty thin. I'll take it!) and Asus' machines (more modern). I don't like Mac imitators (I have nothing against the look of Macs, other than the charge for a non-glossy screen)- they tend to sacrifice quality for the appearance.

    See above. I don't really think that most manufacturers are copying the Mac look.

    An interesting point. This is a pretty wide field, so the debate is always present, but I'll say this: Microsoft implemented tablets when a lot of people were excited by the concept, but not the price. I remember trying a tablet in a Gateway store. I got to try one running Windows 7- Microsoft has made a huge amount of progress, it works pretty damn well now.

    And then the bigger problems come up. Namely, friction between the tablet and the Office/IE divisions, who have always been not only not willing to work with the tablet, but actively refusing changes that would help them integrate tablet work (especially into Office). A lot of former employees have written about this.

    A bigger problem in MS is that it's too damn big to make changes quickly as the politics within the company drag everything down, making it slow and dropping a lot of good ideas by the wayside. (If you want a good read on this, the CEO of Starbucks wrote an autobiography. He discusses this very problem in a lot of depth.)

    If I remember correctly, Xerox had this with the Alto before the whole "stealing of the GUI and stealing of the stealing", etc...

    (As a side note, I'd like to note that this is one of times that John C. Dvorak was utterly wrong. "No one wants to use these things (mice)!", "Cable internet is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, it'll never work", etc.)
  22. Pressure macrumors 68040


    May 30, 2006
    I am pretty sure other people would have gotten the chance to fill in where Apple would not have been, if we play along with this game of "what if".

    The biggest game changer seems to be iTunes, which really have reformed the entire music industry. Other alternatives exist and the market would probably be more diffused without iTunes.

    All in all, assuming things would be drastically different today without the existence of Apple is doubtful at best. Innovation and technology moves forward without the big players and a healthy dose of competition usually makes sure it stays that way.

    It's kind of an oxymoron, expecting things not to move forward if certain individuals never discovered, invented or otherwise influenced their surroundings.

    It's like the telephone which were almost simultaneous "invented" by three people in different parts of the world without knowledge of each other. Graham Bell, Antonio Meucci and Nikola Tesla.
  23. thatrandomguy macrumors regular

    Nov 14, 2009
    I wonder if the market would be diffused, leading to the widespread availability of DRM free music sooner (due to compatibility and piracy being so easy), or if it would have lead to a myriad of incompatible DRM schemes and the lack of a central power to prevent the music industry from drastically rising music prices.

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