good point
if a computer meets one's demands, then there really is no need to go for two or three gigahertz
i could buy a cinema screen and that would be nice, but since i don't need it, i refrain from buying it
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good point
if a computer meets one's demands, then there really is no need to go for two or three gigahertz
i could buy a cinema screen and that would be nice, but since i don't need it, i refrain from buying it
Where's DDR
You can find DDR in every non-Apple product that doesn't concern itself with Specifications. Maybe someday, something EVEN better than DDR will come out, so you can then ask where's that EVEN better stuff. DDR isn't in because it doesn't meet Apple's strict Specifications, and since Apple isn't in business to make Computers crash, and Customers develop a whole subculture around a "Blue Screen of Dealth" problem, lets put the DDR to bed until Apple says it meets their Specifications.
P.S. have you looked at your video memory lately? It's not like Apple couldn't do it if they wanted.
You can find DDR in every non-Apple product that doesn't concern itself with Specifications. Maybe someday, something EVEN better than DDR will come out, so you can then ask where's that EVEN better stuff. DDR isn't in because it doesn't meet Apple's strict Specifications, and since Apple isn't in business to make Computers crash, and Customers develop a whole subculture around a "Blue Screen of Dealth" problem, lets put the DDR to bed until Apple says it meets their Specifications.
P.S. have you looked at your video memory lately? It's not like Apple couldn't do it if they wanted.
Re: Where's DDR
that's a good point
apple is very specific and their gear seems to still work better than pcs, so in that respect i am happy
apple meets my needs just fine
that's a good point
apple is very specific and their gear seems to still work better than pcs, so in that respect i am happy
apple meets my needs just fine
Man, when is everyone going to get it? Apple is about a complete experience. it is not about GHZ and DDR, and Rapid I/O, well, not yet. The Apple experience is about having a computer that will let you work. Having a system that works for you instead of you having to work on it. It is about style, and simplisity. It is about not having to worry about the Klez virus, or 58 Windows updates in one year. Or about a 127MB update that if you can't download, that you have to pay Microsoft 19.95 for and all it does is fix security problems. Not new features.
it is about knowing, without a doubt that your system will boot after you install and app, or piece of hardware. It is about knowing that your system will always, and I mean always give you the blue screen of life, instead of the blue screen of death.
It is about never having to hear the words, "You need to download windows drives to support that product". It is about being a small, savy, group of users that would prefer so called slower computing for stable computing. Even though I think the slower computing is crap.
it is about knowing, without a doubt that your system will boot after you install and app, or piece of hardware. It is about knowing that your system will always, and I mean always give you the blue screen of life, instead of the blue screen of death.
It is about never having to hear the words, "You need to download windows drives to support that product". It is about being a small, savy, group of users that would prefer so called slower computing for stable computing. Even though I think the slower computing is crap.
great to see you, bttm!
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Originally posted by iGAV
Well I can't wait to get my PowerBook G4 1GHz with 1GB RAM, and 'Superdrive'......
And anyone that doesn't like it can kiss my booty............
i would take that tibook over any pc laptop any day
did it cost more than $2999 us?
if i wanted a pc laptop as a second machine, it would definitely be the VAIO
It's costing me £2042 and I don't have to pay any TAX....... Tee Hee!! That's the absolute cheapest I've seen it in the UK...... I have no idea what BTTM could sell it for..... but I think he should consider branching out into the UK reseller market if it's cheaper!!
I must admit I can't wait to get my mitts on it, even if it's less exciting than when I bought my first TiBook at the start of 2001............ (I know what to expect with form factor etc, just can't wait to make a speed comparison between my PowerBook G4 500 and my PowerBook G4 1GHz....... heh heh I'm expecting a huge increase in performance!!
I confident that there isn't a better portable on this planet that suits my needs so well!! It's the daddy!!
SNAP on the PC laptop, the only one I'd consider is a VIAO.......... I was thinkng about getting one of those for cross-platform development...... but I only need a super slim one, not a fully featuered mutha!! I'd like to be able to carry it in the same laptop bag as my TiBook......
Yep. I am totally happy with my iMac 800 17". Last night I realized that I did not have an OCR for OS X. So, what did I do? Curse the Mac? Nope. Booted Virtual PC, and installed my scanner there. Used the free OCR that came with it. Scaned, and then saved to a shared folder on the Mac's hard drive
Lets see someone with a PC launch Virtual Mac, and run say, Final Cut Pro, or DVD Studio Pro? Wait, they can't. I still have a PC, and I have never crashed it in four years. It runs AutoCad faster than the PIII 800's at the University. It is called Virtual PC, and it gives me the best of both worlds.
B2TM
Lets see someone with a PC launch Virtual Mac, and run say, Final Cut Pro, or DVD Studio Pro? Wait, they can't. I still have a PC, and I have never crashed it in four years. It runs AutoCad faster than the PIII 800's at the University. It is called Virtual PC, and it gives me the best of both worlds.
B2TM
Hi
Just wanted to say this: You won't get a PC laptop with the performance and the possibilities of a powerbook, you'll only get a "portable desktop" with these specifications.
You won't get an operating system with a user interface on a PC. You'll either get an operating system that doesn't operate (windows) or a user interface that you almost can't use (windows/kde/gnome/all kinds of command prompts etc). On a mac you get a macOS.
Just wanted to say this: You won't get a PC laptop with the performance and the possibilities of a powerbook, you'll only get a "portable desktop" with these specifications.
You won't get an operating system with a user interface on a PC. You'll either get an operating system that doesn't operate (windows) or a user interface that you almost can't use (windows/kde/gnome/all kinds of command prompts etc). On a mac you get a macOS.
How do you avoid paying tax?!
I'm a student from the UK and I have no idea how that's possible...
As an aside, I have to add that I would NEVER buy a sony laptop if I had to take the Windows route - I worked for 13 months at a major computer reseller and the return rate on them was ridiculous (both DOA and subsequent problems). This was particularly a problem with the ultra-thin models which are made to be about as sturdy as paper. They're damn ugly, but if I had to take the PC laptop, it would have to be an IBM
Ambrose
I'm a student from the UK and I have no idea how that's possible...
As an aside, I have to add that I would NEVER buy a sony laptop if I had to take the Windows route - I worked for 13 months at a major computer reseller and the return rate on them was ridiculous (both DOA and subsequent problems). This was particularly a problem with the ultra-thin models which are made to be about as sturdy as paper. They're damn ugly, but if I had to take the PC laptop, it would have to be an IBM
Ambrose
Uh, yes you can get a PC laptop with even better performance and possibilities of a PowerBook G4.
http://www.sony.com/hitbox/goto-nav-sel-computers.shtml
Select the GXR600 series.
You get DVD-R/RW drive. A G4-crushing Pentium 4 processor, a 16.1" UXGA screen (goddamnit, Apple needs to update their LCD screens to be UXGA) with 1600x1200 pixels, DDR RAM, 400MHz Bus, etc.
Best of all, you can choose from a variety of configurations resulting in a varying pricing scheme. You can get a DVD-R/RW laptop for $1100 less than a PowerBook G4.
Uh, it depends on the person. For me, any OS works. Windows XP works great for me. Mac OS X works great for me too. If you're basing your Windows experience with 9x/Me, then yes they can't operate. However, with XP, Microsoft's reputation is beginning to change, and because of this, Apple needs to start worrying and boost up its hardware and OS X (at least to speed of OS 9 and incorporate old features from Mac OS 9 like the Open File... dialog--in OS X, it doesn't do much, that needs to be improved, and other stuff.
You DO have command prompts in Mac OS X--Terminal. So what?
Yes, on the Mac you get the Mac OS, which is very nice, but otherwise, you get overpriced old hardware.
What Apple needs to do to the PowerBook:
- UXGA!!! Don't make me say it again. Look at how much the Apple displays blow. I'm all for Formac.
- Faster processors, even though it's not Apple's fault, oh well... I'll dismiss this one.
- Integrated BT.
- DDR, even fake DDR. It proved a slight improvement on the desktops.
The only reason why I'm considering the PowerBook G4 1GHz is 1.) Mac OS X 2.) Bluetooth (via adapter) 3.) Superdrive 4.) iApps are actually nice 5.) and so on...
I don't know, the Sony laptops are tempting.
Btw, Backtothemac, I never worry about the Klez virus. Apple has just as much updates in a year but they're packaged in major updates (versioned by date, including the x.x.1 updates)... What 127MB update that I can't download? Please explain further. I've never came across anything I couldn't download. When did I ever pay Microsoft $19.95? My hardware works well with XP, I install apps without rebooting and it works well. BSODs are very rare with Windows XP unless you have a really crappy $199 PC. And believe it or not, I've heard "you need to download drivers for Mac OS X." So what?
Also, BTTM, you've forgotten the old days of PowerPC 603e/604e when Macs truly were the fastest desktops. Oh, I forgot it's all Motorola's fault.
If the Mac experience didn't include being the fastest around, then why is Apple advertising their products as Pentium-crushing. I guess they meant the original Pentium. Apple truly needs to innovate, catch up, and price their stuff right. Please--don't tell me Rendezvous is innovative. Apple didn't create Rendezvous; they simply made an implementation of zero-conf for their OS.
[ducks flames that are not in reality, c'mon guys, you know you can't just sit around and do nothing and let Apple take advantage of your ignorance to sell overpriced hardware based on old technology, if enough of us bitches, perhaps Apple will finally deliver to our expectations; oh well, ignorance is bliss]
i am sure there are people at apple who feel the same and we will see new things
it's just when and how much?
For you.
For me, I need every ounce of speed and performance a computer can muster to keep the animation flowing, and if Apple is going to push Maya for the Mac and Shake and FCP, then they better have the speed to back it up. Right now, they dont.
The 'whole Apple experience' is great for typical consumers, but what I thought was obvious was that I am referring to higher-end users who want to gt away from SGI or PC's.
I'm a freelancer so I don't pay VAT..... Tee Hee.... that's VAT on pretty much anything..... clothing, travel, electrical items etc etc........ The marvels of the British TAX system!! Open to abuse at all times!! Tee Hee!!
Alternatively if you know anybody that owns a business, and they're willing to, they'd probably put a Mac through their books for you.... Hey presto, you get you VAT back and the worlds a happier place!!
I'm the reverse to you, I'd never want a IBM laptop..... the things still look like they're from the 80's!! Black plastic..... Stunning!! I know the Sonys had problems, but that's why you have warranties and decent insurance......... everytime my Mac dies, my insurance company hires me a replacement and pays me for loss of earnings.... But hey you ought to see my premium!! Very Nasty!!
do you think macs can compete with those ultra expensive 64 bit sgi machines? in the movie industry?
pearl harbor used macs in some of the preliminary stages but needs 64 bit powerhouse commecial level computing to pull off those visual effects...at least that's what i have heard
can a G4 do the effects of a movie like pearl harbor?
i agree with you 99 percent!
but sony has models that come close if you can get used to XP
and ibm, though ugly, do have some good models if you can get past the look and get past windows
strange as it seems, these two makes and toshiba rate near the top, but the top of the PC laptop and desktop reviews more often than not are,
hold your breath,
dells...yuck
...and i was a dell warranty tech and the things i saw go wrong with them made me never want to buy a dell
i will give dell two things;
1) design has improved
2) better stats and greatly reduced prices while still getting #1 ratings
but that said, give me a tibook anyday...however, i
could get any two PCs for the price of a tibook
hey, steve jobs, i have a suggestion regarding price...what if you...................
Believe it or not, I have seen many benchmarks where a dual AMD can outrender and out-perform an O2 or Fuel box with dual MIPS 64 bit processors. Plus, they only have 32MB video cards, so the interface is still slow. We had some new O2s when I was in school (last year), but everyone used the dual P4's because they were faster.
So, if Apple could advance their speed and processing capabilities, they could make a move on the movie industry. (or any type of CG industry)
OSX, Unix, and 64 bits. Maya, Shake.....hmmm.
However, SGI DOES have them when it comes to really high end visualization systems--but that isnt Apples market anyway.
So, if Apple could advance their speed and processing capabilities, they could make a move on the movie industry. (or any type of CG industry)
OSX, Unix, and 64 bits. Maya, Shake.....hmmm.
However, SGI DOES have them when it comes to really high end visualization systems--but that isnt Apples market anyway.
sorry for double posting
I know OSX looks great and everyone loves it, but Ive been using XP for about 6 months, and have had ZERO problems with it....
Plus, when it comes to connecting to servers, my laptop always needs a restart after I plug in the ethernet cable (which is such a hassle) AND takes a good 20 seconds before it recognizes the server. (not just on one particular server, even when I just connect my laptop and G4 tower)
Windows recognizes it instantly, and in about 2 seconds. Plus, you dont have to 'connect to server,' it just does instantly.
I know OSX looks great and everyone loves it, but Ive been using XP for about 6 months, and have had ZERO problems with it....
Plus, when it comes to connecting to servers, my laptop always needs a restart after I plug in the ethernet cable (which is such a hassle) AND takes a good 20 seconds before it recognizes the server. (not just on one particular server, even when I just connect my laptop and G4 tower)
Windows recognizes it instantly, and in about 2 seconds. Plus, you dont have to 'connect to server,' it just does instantly.
SGI has to have something...they are almost out of business so who knows, maybe they will need to expand elsewhere leaving room for a financially more healthy (barely) apple to take up the slack
actually, i am kidding...apple needs to hang onto their r and d money, as it is shrinking very fast and continue on its safe path for now until they can, if they need to, make a big move
i have not heard a lot about the ibm 970 lately and if it happens, it won't be anytime soon
better to have a 1.25 ghz G4 than a processor which may not exist in any number in the outside world
i have heard about hard drives which were small in their physical size and can hold terabytes but supposedly, they are used for an agency that deals with commercial shipping and other nautical purposes
i don't see a terabyte hard drive coming soon to a mall near you in a PC or mac
um, yea.. because I love reading text at 1600x1200 on a 15 or 16" screen.
So, what are you smoking? The base model is $1900... that has a DVD-CDR (not a DVDR-CDR). It has a 30gig drive and 256MB ram. It uses Radeon 7500 vid chip and it weighs 8 lbs!!!.. no wait...they are being sneaky... the tech specs say 8.4lbs with one battery and the removable drive plugged in the bay!
The base TiG4 has the same CDr/DVD config, same memory, 10GB MORE hard drive for $2300. The TiG4 has the Radeon 9000 mobile vid chip and weighs 5.4lbs! Biggest difference are processor and screen.... and the fact that the Sony is 2.6 lbs heavier (if you plug it in and remove the battery and CD drive ;-).
If you move to the mid range G4, you get a bit closer to your claimed price disparity... it costs $800 more than the base sony, but you get twice the memory, twice the hard drive, a faster G4 (than the Apple base model), twice the video ram (to back up the much faster vid chip).... and still at almost half the weight.
Oh yea, The mac gets you 6 pin Firewire too, not the crappy 4pin iLink unpowered variation that sony ships.
I guess that your choice isn't all that clear cut a victory for the PC world, is it?
...ffakr
oh geez, it gets better (I have to edit this one..)
You can get the second from lowest Sony for $2200.. still has a 1.8GHz Mobile (er. castrated) P4 and it ups the memory to 512MB. Still half the hard drive of the 'better' TiG4, all other stats the same. You don't get a DVDR until you hit the $2500 price point, but you still only get a 40GB hard drive.
Don't get me wrong, this would be a nice 8.4lb LCD desktop at $2500, but I'd pay to see 'the love' after you had to carry this sucker around for 8 hours in your laptop bag. ;-)
All in all, I'd take the G4... from strictly a hardware standpoint (even considering price). It is good enough in all that matters... good battery life, good screen, great video, lots of space, good looks (somewhat important), more than enough horsepower for a portable... and it's better than the sony in other ways, better video, less heat, better firewire (no extra cable for your 2.5" FW drive), and of course it weighs a ton less.
Just MHO... Ffakr
I realize yer comments are targeted towards 3D/CG, but Apple already owns the TV and Movie industries. The FXs might be done on an SGI machine, but the editing is done on a Mac.
Lethal
No they arent. Im not going to into all the why's, but film is rarely cut on a mac. Only recently have directors been cutting movies on a mac (soderburgh) but very rarely. Trailers are often cut on a mac, but not the final film output.
As for TV, higher end systems are also used like Video Toaster, and systems that can do D1 full frame uncompressed video. Even Avid is still used quite a bit (The wondows version). Macs dont do full frame video very well, unless coupled with all the necessary D1 hardware (which, is so modified, might as well have just gotten a different computer altogether.--like a PC for half the price!) But, yes, Macs are used more on video editing than Film.
Now that Apple has bought Shake.....who knows though
Anyway, do your homework and find out what people are really cutting their stuff with. I would say less than 25 percent use macs.
Bottom line though--APple needs to do two things:
Cut the price
Speed up the box
Other than that, they are great machines.
Damn right. It's a lot better than the PowerBook's ****ty LCD. Have you *EVER* experienced those 16.1" LCD screens? They're godly.
Whoops, sorry. Glanced at the wrong number, was in a hurry. I'll give you that. However, take the top two end. Still $200+ difference. I get more for less.
Radeon 9000 == Slightly improved 7500. Not much difference except squeezing out battery life, 5 more fps (doesn't matter esp on Laptops... PowerBook's LCD is so damn bad... the UXGA ones have better refresh rate/response rates).
The Pentium 4 is still faster than the G4, even at that speed.
And damn, if you complain about ~2 lbs difference, you've got a problem. Excercise! I drag more than 20 pounds on a constant basis everyday, so weight isn't that much of an issue.
$2500 is a lot less than $3000 on such a worthless screen, overpriced processor, etc. The only good thing on the PowerBook is the superdrive and Mac OS X.