Wheres the "new" iTunes or is 12.5 really all we're getting?

Discussion in 'macOS Sierra (10.12)' started by Stuey3D, Aug 15, 2016.

  1. Stuey3D macrumors 6502


    Jul 8, 2014
    Northamptonshire, United Kingdom
    As a few of you will remember prior to Sierra being announced Eddy Cue gave an interview and talked about a new drastically redesigned iTunes coming with the new software, well I'm not seeing it.

    12.5 is hardly a redesign worthy of mentions in an interview and now Sierra is in the latter stages of beta I'd be really surprised if they changed it now.

    Question is was Eddy

    A: Talking out his arse?
    B: There is a secret iTunes 13 thats been internally tested and waiting to be snuck in the GM
    C: He really does believe that 12.5 is a worthy redesign and we are stuck with this bloated mess.

    Answers/speculation below.
    --- Post Merged, Aug 15, 2016 ---
    From what I can see they said it would launch with 10.11.4 so I guess we are stuck with this bloated horrible mess.
  2. twanj macrumors regular


    Sep 10, 2015
    Pompano Beach, FL
    pretty disappointing.

    I think iTunes needed attention more than iPhoto -> Photos
  3. boston04and07 macrumors 65816


    May 13, 2008
    Yeah, iTunes needs some serious attention...it's been a mess for a long time. I really wonder what the hold up is.
  4. Nermal Moderator


    Staff Member

    Dec 7, 2002
    New Zealand
    There have been a few instances in the past where a new "unseen" iTunes has been released alongside a new OS, without appearing in any of the betas. It may happen again.
  5. Ritsuka macrumors 6502a

    Sep 3, 2006
    iTunes 12.5 has a lot of small nice UI tweaks.
    It still has got too many features, but in the last year it improved a lot.
  6. tulpenhaus macrumors newbie


    Mar 11, 2016
    I'm rather scared of any change Apple makes to its music software nowadays. Look at iOS 10.
    I'd prefer them to leave iTunes the way it is.
  7. jeanlain macrumors 65816

    Mar 14, 2009
    Are you sure he wasn't talking about iOS?
  8. MrNomNoms macrumors 65816

    Jan 25, 2011
    Wellington, New Zealand
    I sometimes wonder whether we'll see the usual iTunes refresh that comes around the time of a new device or iOS 10 then maybe with the introduction of APFS as the default file system that maybe the big iTunes overhaul will be updated to take advantage of the new file system features to keep track of newly added music etc. rather than manually adding them. Oh well, I guess one can always dream.
  9. R2FX macrumors regular


    Mar 25, 2010
    Daring Fireball interview with Cue & Federighi back in Feb'2016... disappointing to still see the mess and continuous jihad against Sidebar
  10. DanielDD macrumors 6502

    Apr 5, 2013
    Apple has not updated some of their software for quite a while. I would not be surprised to see iCloud + iWork and iTunes betas announced during the October event
  11. Janichsan, Aug 16, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2016

    Janichsan macrumors 65816


    Oct 23, 2006
    You are actually using it already: the redesign was iTunes 12.4 that was released in May.
  12. Stuey3D thread starter macrumors 6502


    Jul 8, 2014
    Northamptonshire, United Kingdom
    Yeah I realise that now after I found the article, very disappointing though as all 12.4 is just a few minor tweaks to the older bloated mess. Hardly a redesign.
  13. Otaviano macrumors 6502a


    Nov 22, 2007
    I do not know about that the iPhoto -> Photos transition was necessary and really important for the long term. Much more than iTunes is at this point.

    I still think iTunes could quickly drastically improve if they just started plucking out some of the features.
  14. Takuro macrumors 6502


    Jun 15, 2009
    I had a little bit of trouble reading through that, but what key benefit does APFS offer that would allow iTunes to "keep track of newly added music" versus what we already have? It's not like you can't already do a Spotlight search for .mp3 and .aac files within an HFS+ volume. iTunes also already does a great job of detecting when a file has moved from its original path if it was added to the library.

    Do you even want any and all sound files being added to iTunes automatically? Sounds like that could be a disaster.
  15. jameslmoser macrumors 6502


    Sep 18, 2011
    Las Vegas, NV
    I'm pretty sure why they haven't been able to completely redo it like the did iPhoto -> Photos is because its also a Windows application. If they wanted to create and maintain two versions of the application (one for macOS and one for Windows), then I'm sure the Mac application would have seen more changes by now.
  16. filipe.esposito macrumors regular


    Jun 15, 2016
    I see some improvements on iTunes 12.5, but what I really want is iTunes divided and rewritten into Music, Video and Podcast apps, to be like iOS. But they will probably not do anything so soon because of Windows, perhaps.
  17. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

    T'hain Esh Kelch

    Aug 5, 2001
    Since they've announced a new major iTunes update at the iOS event in fall since iTunes 5, well, I think it is quite expected for the new iTunes to pop up there.
  18. fischersd macrumors 601


    Oct 23, 2014
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    That could be true if they didn't have the vast resource pool that they have (110,000+ employees?) Yep, that doesn't indicate how many developers they have, but something tells me if Apple wanted to make the iTunes experience on MacOS vastly better, they would have made it a priority.

    Me, I have my suspicions that the Mac is being pushed out to "hobby" status - but we'll see how much Apple love we get in the fall. And by love I mean actual engineering...not just more eye candy and thinness *sigh* from Ive's crew.
  19. Otaviano macrumors 6502a


    Nov 22, 2007
    I think it is a combination of the following:

    - Lack of resources. Apple is bigger than ever and is strained trying to deliver multiple new OS every year. That much seems clear.

    - The Windows effect. iTunes makes Apple a lot of money and because of that there is this inertia to maintain it and not disrupt it.

    - A lack of vision for what comes after iTunes.

    I do not prescribe to the Windows theory. I think Apple would not be so foolish as to let the Mac software stagnate because of Windows.

    I do not understand what they are waiting for because to me it seems like it is the perfect time to replace iTunes. You could get away with dropping a ton of features. Things like the CD ripping functions. Just pluck them out and let them vanish.
  20. Janichsan macrumors 65816


    Oct 23, 2006
    Hey, I'm still using that.
  21. CapnDavey macrumors 6502


    Apr 11, 2015
    I'm with you on that I was using iTunes when it was called Sound Jam back in the OS9 days no way Ill pay Apple so I can download stuff I already own thats stupid!
  22. inkahauts macrumors regular


    Sep 7, 2014
    I think someone else had this idea or something similar a while back and I agreed with it mostly...

    Just break each Amon thing into its own app

    I have a slightly different thought to that as well. Break it out but not quite everything separate...

    Give us



    Entertainment would have all music pod casts and anything video wise like movies and tv series.

    Time machine would basically allow you to create backups on your local device as well as in the cloud. Similar to how time machine works for macs now but for any iOS device. It would also allow you to sync contacts and other things of that nature between PC and iOS devices and maybe even between Mac and of desktops. ;)

    And keep app stores separate from as it's already separate on the devices themselves. In fact even better merge the Mac and iOS app stores. (Would allow you to use the desktop App Store to reorganize and backup your apps on your iOS devices like iTunes does today. )
  23. jdasikainen macrumors 6502


    Mar 4, 2016
    Bald Knob Arkansas
    that'd b great also i think that they should keep iTunes but take some of the other features like radio and things and make a internet media app and keep our purchases separate so i don't got to wade through the subscription stuff especially on the iphone and iPad
  24. mattburley7 macrumors 68040

    Oct 13, 2011
    looks like iTunes 12.5 is all we are getting

    no redesign was announced today.
  25. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

    T'hain Esh Kelch

    Aug 5, 2001
    Surprising. I guess we'll see a major update in spring, maybe together with an iPad update.

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