Spent the last 3 weeks over analyzing this decision. I was in the market for a new MacBook Pro when the 2016 MBP came out. I hate the idea of the touchbar. Useless to me, other than for fun stuff like the Knight Rider mod. It also put the typically low-end 15" MBP from the $2000 price range to the $2700 range. I waited for the 2017 refresh hoping for a 15" with no touchbar. I'm convinced at this point that they aren't getting rid of the touchbar until another big shift comes along. I don't want to wait that long. I've been seeing lots of sales lately. My preference would be for something with 16GB ram and 512 SSD, but I can't find anything that fits that in a 2016 or 2017 model for less that $2000. I don't want to go back to a 2015 model. If I could land a 15" (I like that screen size) new for under or right at $2000 I would. I don't see that happening. This leaves me with stuck between a MacBook or 13" MBP without touchbar. I require the 512 SSD, I'm most flexible with the RAM. I have seen 2016 MacBooks with 512 SSD for $1275. All the MBP with those specs are in the $1600 range. Is it worth that much extra to go from a MacBook to the MBP? Either one will require a multiport dongle. Either one I will be hooking up to a much larger monitor when at home. I take it with me quite a bit, but no extensive plane traveling. Any help would be appreciated. In a perfect world I could snag a 2017 15" MBP without touchbar for $2000.