Which MP to keep (2010 single CPU or 2009 dual CPU)

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  1. w8ing4intelmacs macrumors 6502a

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    I was able to snag a good deal on two MPs
    1. 2010 single 2.8 quad core
    2. 2009 dual 2.66 quad core

    I got MP #1 to do some DIY tinkering/upgrading. I was about to purchase a six core westmere CPU when I lucked into #2.

    Can't keep both. Which one should I keep? (I want to use the computer for personal photo and video editing for the next few years). Opinions welcome regarding future proof, ease of upgrading, fun to tinker with, etc :)
     
  2. pertusis1 macrumors 6502

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    I love your username :) must have been picked quite a while ago.

    I'd say keep the 5,1. Although there are lots of people that will say the 4,1 dual processor upgrade is easy, there seems to be just as many that spend several frustrating days trying to get the heat-sinks right.

    Unless you are using software that is highly dependent on having piles of cores, upgrading your single core to a 5690 is going to give you lots of speed, especially if you add a PCIe hard drive, more memory, and an upgraded video card.
     
  3. RoastingPig macrumors 68000

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    #2....Lidless Cpu's can be purchased to avoid all the stress of the 2009 cpu upgrade. Thats the only bugaboo of the 2009 but besides that your golden..Those single cpu mac pros are plummeting in price by the day.
     
  4. buster84 macrumors 6502

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    I used this guide to upgrade my two 2009 macs to 12 core x5670's (with lids). Using washers made it easy to do.

    http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.660.html#msg24313

    This is also a good one with lots of pictures.

    https://web.archive.org/web/2013100.../Photography/2013/07/08/mac-pro-2009-part-tbd
     
  5. h9826790 macrumors 604

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    Personally I will get the dual CPU model and purchase the lidless CPU to upgrade it.
     
  6. Fearless Leader macrumors 68020

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    I upgraded a 2009 quad core 2.26 x2 last week to a dual x5675 six core 3.07. I couldn't source lidless CPUs which may or may not make things easier. Those processors are finicky and getting the heatsinks right is mostly an art without specific tools (like a torque meter) to guide you.

    But now I have a very fast computer that wasn't all that expensive.

    2010 can take a higher wattage/clock speed CPU like the x5690 which may give better performance in video editing and almost certainly in photo editing. But you do get 2 (4?) fewer ram slots with the single.

    The dual CPUs really shine when all the cores can be used, and that's more on the special effects/rendering side of things.

    The 2010 will be painless to upgrade and quite fast. The 2009 may be tricky but very fast in certain applications.

    </rambling>
     
  7. nigelbb macrumors 6502a

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    Is this correct? I thought that the only difference between a 2009 & 2010 was basically the firmware. I have certainly seen 2009 4,1 for sale upgraded to 5,1 with dual 6-core 3.46GHz CPUs.
     
  8. MacinJosh macrumors 6502a

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    I think he meant upgrading the single cpu 5,1 to a single w3690/x5690 and still stay within the thermal limits of Apple's design. Having dual 6-core 3.46GHz CPUs will cause overheating unless you manually rev up the fans. That's because Apple never released 2x150w CPUs on the MP.
     
  9. TzunamiOSX, May 18, 2015
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    I have two 130W 5680 (5690 is also 130W) inside my MacPro and I dont need to manually regulate the Fans.

    1. Fans are regulated by CPU temp. If the CPU is gettig hot, the Fans spin higher.

    2. Throttling and emergency shut down prevent from overheating.

    The core max temp is 101°C, and the CPU is holding this temp under ultra heavy load.
     
  10. w8ing4intelmacs thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Great stuff all. Really appreciate the insight!

    Is the 2009 significantly harder to do a CPU upgrade? I do like to tinker somewhat, so attempting a CPU swap is something I'm willing to do because I was under the impression that it's relatively simple for either machine. If the 2010 is significantly easier, I would probably go that route.

    BTW, if I upgrade the 4,1 do I have to swap out both CPUs or could I do it in a progression (i.e., buy one CPU upgrade and later purchase a second CPU upgrage).

    BTW, I need to sell one of them. Which one would garner the most $$ as is? The money would fund my upgrading :)
     
  11. Macsonic macrumors 65816

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    Like what others have suggested, keep the dual processor 2009 Mac Pro. There are De-lidded CPUs for sale that gives you better chances which can make your upgrade easier.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-MacPro...U-039-s-/171791655055?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mac-Pro-200...746?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae345bad2

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mac-Pro-200...ade-Kit-/331552509022?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

    Good luck :)
     
  12. Fearless Leader macrumors 68020

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    That is what I intended to convey. It's probably fine, I have read enough accounts of people saying it works, but the extra 70w strain on the PSU and heat wasn't going to work for me because I dropped 2 150w gtx 970 cards in mine.
     
  13. Fearless Leader macrumors 68020

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    2010 is pop off the heatsink, undo the lever that holds the CPU in place, drop in the new CPU, redo the lever, add the heatsink.

    2009 is pop off heatsink, remove the CPU held down by nothing at this point, put in new CPU, tighten the heat sink until think its right, check if it boots, if not adjust the tension, check if all the ram is detected, if not adjust the tension, check that both processors are detected, if not adjust the tension. And the whole time be sure not to crush the cpu. Oh you'll need a thermal pad so the voltage regulators are still cooled.

    It's not horrible but finicky and lots of little things to consider.

    The system should boot with the main CPU upgraded and the secondary leff alone, but I don't think the old CPU will be detected/used nor ram slots 5-8.
     
  14. thornslack macrumors regular

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    Everyone has already posted some good replies, and I definitely used netkas' site as a resource when I upgraded my dual processor 4,1. However after tons of reading I decided that pindelski's guide made more logical sense to me. I followed it and my upgrade to dual x5677s was slick. It appears that the author has removed the original guide, but as our savvy macrumors community members pointed out in another thread it is still available here:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20131026053641/http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/07/08/mac-pro-2009-part-tbd/

    Good luck OP
     
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    Bad advice.
     
  16. buster84, May 18, 2015
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    Yeah i posted the same thing earlier in the thread lol. When I did the upgrade I read through both guys. I liked the Pindelski guide because of the photos and good information but I needed up doing the other method. Their isn't a right or wrong method, but I like the washer method best since it basically lifts the heat sinks up enough to make the new chips install like they don't have lids. No matter which method you choose its best to read multiple guides for a good reference of information.



    Seriously do not take this guys advice. If you upgrade your mac pro doing what he outlined you will destroy it.
     
  17. buster84 macrumors 6502

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    Since most of the information is listed on another site here make sure that you read and re-read the post, but ill post the main parts here.

    When choosing a cpu you can choose any of these for your upgrade (I'm not sure if there are more) X5650, X5660, X5670, X5680, or X5690. You can get these chips off ebay, some are really cheap. If you follow this guy buy chips that are Lidded.

    That is the guide i followed to install my two x5650's into my mac pro and my x5670's into my other mac pro.

    These are the items i bought from amazon.

    1) Brass Flat Washer, Plain Finish, DIN 125, Metric, M4 Screw Size, 4.3 mm ID, 9 mm OD, 0.8 mm Thick (Pack of 100)

    2) 3mm Thick Silicone Thermal Pad 8" x 8" for Laptop IC Chipset Chip CPU

    3) Eklind 3mm X 9"long Hex Key Eklind Cush.grip T-handle

    4) Arctic Silver 5 12G Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Grease CPU Heat Sink Compound (note, you don't need big of arctic silver, i just like to have extra for all my computers)

    When i did my install i used 3 washers on each leg of the heat sync for a total thickness of 2.4mm and matched that with a 3mm Silicone Thermal Pad. Then i hand tightened all the bolts as far as they would go by hand without the use of force. Then i tightening down each bolt by 1/4 a turn in the order that the service manual suggested. Start with just Processor A. If it boots then move onto processor B. Processor A booted with just 1/4th a turn on one of my mac pro's but on the other it booted with 1/4 + 1/8th a turn on each screw. Processor B was similar.

    I'd suggest starting out at 1/4 a turn for each bolt and increasing it by 1/8th then test since all the boards are a little different.

    The upgrade looks harder than it truly is. With all the right parts, and with all this advice you'll do just fine. Good luck with what ever decision you make.

    This is the service manual. Start at page 155 to see how apple changes the processor. Page 160 lists the order to tighten the heat syncs.
     
  18. Fearless Leader macrumors 68020

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    classic post with nothing constructive.

    In what way is it bad? And it was not a detailed guide, but an overview of how the process goes.

    Everyone who thinks the washers are some sort of godsend are crazy.



    Yeah I love running simulations on my destroyed pro. It was intended to compare the complexity of the two.
     
  19. flowrider macrumors 601

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    ^^^^Your advice was FOS. Your comparisons were inept to say the least and you advice was just plain WRONG!!!!!! Better to stay quiet when you don't know what you are talking about!

    Lou
     
  20. OS6-OSX macrumors 6502a

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    Hey, what did I say?
     

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  21. w8ing4intelmacs thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    FWIW, I simply took FL's comment as saying that the 2009 upgrade is somewhat more difficult and potentially time consuming than the 2010 upgrade. Given what's I'd be attempting (plus all the wealth of guides and advice that is out there), it would be silly to use his comments as my instructions for the upgrade (which I don't think he intended at all)

    BTW, my 2009 seems snappier than the 2010, even without an SSD (yet!). Decided I'll sell the 2010.

     
  22. Macsonic macrumors 65816

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    Since you'll be doing some video editing, the dual processor cMac Pro will benefit you more. With de-lidded cpus, you can upgrade the dual processors accordingly based on the manual provided by Buster84.
     
  23. w8ing4intelmacs thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I actually decided to keep the 2010 Mac Pro. If anyone is interested, I did list a feeler for my 2009 Mac Pro in the marketplace. Basically, I ran into a little bit of financial hardship and figured that the dual processor 2009 would fetch a higher price than the single processor 2010, although I would agree with most of you that it's the better machine.
     
  24. Synchro3 macrumors 65816

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    I disagree. The W3690/X5690 have a TDP of 130 Watt: http://ark.intel.com/de/products/52...r-W3690-12M-Cache-3_46-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI

    On my cMP with W3690 the temps under full load (for example with Handbrake) do not exceed 85° Celsius.
     

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