Which New OS Should I Try?

7254278

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Hi all,
After opening my eyes to Mac OSX Panther/Tiger, I am eager to try a new OS.
I want to run it on the Powermac in my sig. I want you guys to help me choose an os(not windows). The ones I am thinking of are: Solaris, Beos(spelt wrong I think), FreeBSD, a type of Linux or anything else you guys suggest. Also I know litteraly nothing about these OS'. Can you guys tell me advantages and disadvantages of each OS, also it MUST have a user friendly GUI.
Also is installing easy?, how big do I have to make my partition?, what do I use to make a partition?, can I partition my drive without earasing the files I have on OSX?, if i dont want the partition anymore can I get rid of it without reformating?
Thanks fo your help
Patmian212

EDIT: sorry if I posted this in the wrong forum.
 

wdlove

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I can't imagine why you would want to run any other OS than Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger. Tiger is the newest OS from Apple. You can partition using the installer disk, but that would mean reformatting the hard drive. The same process would be needed to undo the partition.
 

jared_kipe

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The biggest problem with running any other OS on your mac is software, nothing is compiled for you, you'll have to look for opensource and compile yourself. Not that easy.
 

jeremy.king

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If you really must play, I would suggest what is called a bootable "Live CD" which includes a distro of linux with some real world applications that you can play with. The only one I have had any luck with is Ubuntu. Knoppix is another CD based distro.

http://www.ubuntulinux.org
http://www.knoppix.org/

Since they run off of CD, they won't require any modifications/installations/repartitioning to your current system...which is nice.
 

Mitthrawnuruodo

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I would suggest FreeBSD, because if you get the hang of that you should master most *nix platforms. An added bonus is that you'd learn the base of Mac OS X, and could easier fix or modify your Mac... ;)

As a GUI you should be safe using KDE or GNOME, but if you want a bit of an adventure try something like Window Maker.
 

mduser63

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kingjr3 said:
If you really must play, I would suggest what is called a bootable "Live CD" which includes a distro of linux with some real world applications that you can play with. The only one I have had any luck with is Ubuntu. Knoppix is another CD based distro.

http://www.ubuntulinux.org
http://www.knoppix.org/

Since they run off of CD, they won't require any modifications/installations/repartitioning to your current system...which is nice.
I'd second the recommendation to try some Live CDs. Ubuntu has a great live CD that will run on PowerPC machines (Macs), and the distro is good too (I use Kubuntu on my PC).
 

jeremy.king

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jared_kipe said:
The biggest problem with running any other OS on your mac is software, nothing is compiled for you, you'll have to look for opensource and compile yourself. Not that easy.
Not entirely true...Many PPC linux distros have thousands of pre-built RPMs, so there isn't always a need to compile. However resolving depencies with RPM installs can always make for a good night. ;)
 

7254278

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Are live cd distros slow since it isnt running of the hard drive?
Also do I have to boot of cd if so how.
 

zach

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I assume you're not particularly experienced with *nixes...

I'd suggest something very simple with a graphical installer, such as Debian Linux.

If I've underestimated your command-line skills, try Gentoo or Ubuntu, or just pure FreeBSD.
 

furryrabidbunny

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live cd burning

I've been interested in trying linux, and i am downloading ubuntu live cd right now. I have toast six, but i haven't installed it because cd burning in tiger is so good. to burn the iso to boot properly, do i just drop it into the cd-r like normal?
 

mduser63

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furryrabidbunny said:
I've been interested in trying linux, and i am downloading ubuntu live cd right now. I have toast six, but i haven't installed it because cd burning in tiger is so good. to burn the iso to boot properly, do i just drop it into the cd-r like normal?
I don't know if dragging it onto the CD works (never tried it), but dragging the .iso file into Disk Utility, selecting it, and hitting burn definitely works. I did exactly that with the Kubuntu PPC Live CD just this week, and it worked fine.
 

mad jew

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I got Virtual PC to experiment with other operating systems so that I know I wont be able to do any damage to my Mac. I'm still a bit sceptical about the whole dual-boot thing. Plus, there's the benefit of effectively having an x86 processor which opens up a huge amount of different operating systems. My favourite's probably Xandros which runs a little slow in VPC but is still relatively easy to use.
 

Poff

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mduser63 said:
I don't know if dragging it onto the CD works (never tried it), but dragging the .iso file into Disk Utility, selecting it, and hitting burn definitely works. I did exactly that with the Kubuntu PPC Live CD just this week, and it worked fine.
Hmm.. This thread got me interested in trying ubuntu, so I tried your method. Didn't work for me. I'm on 10.2.8 tho, so that might have something to do with it..

Edit: I got it to work using Disc Copy. Selection "option + B" and finding the iso-file.
 

ChrisBrightwell

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wdlove said:
I can't imagine why you would want to run any other OS than Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger.
Honestly, I couldn't imagine limiting myself to a single OS.

I am currently pretty affluent in:
- Windows 95/98/Me
- Windows 2000/XP
- Windows 2000 Server
- Mac OS X (Jaguar, Panther, Tiger)

I know enough of these to be dangerous:
- Linux
- BSD
- Solaris
- Windows 2003 Server

My current personal goal is to move Linux and BSD up to the "affluent" column. Then again, I *am* a Computer Science student and I *do* work in a multi-OS environment at work.

Now, to answer the OP, I'd sincerely recommend AGAINST trying your first UNIX/Linux distro on your personal/production machine. I'd pick up a cheap used Mac or PC and use that. It gives you a lot more room to screw up, if nothing else.

Good luck. I remember the first time I get my hands on RedHat Linux (v4.8, IIRC) on an old Compaq laptop with nothing but a command line. It was intimidating.
 

shadowmoses

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I have done the same thing before thinking a new OS would be fun, but i ended wasting alot of time and messing up my OSX partition. Just stick with OS X Tiger, ill give you a few reasons why:

1.Linux doesnt look as nice
2.software has to be compiled therefore is a big deal to install unless you have the command based knowledge.
3.Some linux distributions are unstable.
4.Not as wide a range of software available.

Anyhow if you must try a linux distribution knock yourself out, but dont expect the ease of use of MAC OSX or even WIn XP, they are much harder to master and i have come to the conclusion they are not worth the hassle when you have OSX.

SHADOw
 

dubbz

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shadowmoses said:
1.Linux doesnt look as nice
That's both true and untrue. It depends on what window manager and theme you use. Some look like shiat. Others combinations can look just as good as OS X. The major problem whould be that there is several GUI libraries, eg. Gtk and Qt, meaning that a Gtk application will look out of place in a Qt environment with its different look and feel. (But they're working on that). OS X is still much better in things like font rendering and general eye candy (ie. shadows and transparency).

2.software has to be compiled therefore is a big deal to install unless you have the command based knowledge.
Software has to be compiled, but it doesn't mean that You have to do it. A wealth of pre-compiled software is usually available for you to download some way or another. Most newer Linux distributions have graphical installers that make it easy to search for and (compile/)install software.

3.Some linux distributions are unstable.
And some, if not most, are not. It depends how bleeding edge you want to live. When I've run Linux/X11, it hasn't crashed any more or less than OS X.

4.Not as wide a range of software available.
That's true, but it has enough for most casual users. Ie. audio players (amaroK, Rhythmbox, XMMS), movie players (VLC, MPlayer, Xine), browsers (Firefox, Mozilla, Konqueror), office suites (KOffice, OpenOffice.Org), etc. Adminttedly, the situation is worse if you're running on PPC, though, since some commercial companies have software that's not available for PPC.

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I'd also recommend a LiveCD, since it allows you to try out Linux without messing with your system. It's safe and easy. :)

As for speed, it depends on the speed of your CD/DVD-ROM player. It's generally fast enough, but just keep in mind that it'd be much faster if installed on your drive.
The (currently) x86-only Slax distro allow you to copy the whole LiveCD into memory. Running the whole OS in memory really speed things up! I don't know if any of the distros available for PowerPC allow this...
 

topgunn

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Patmian212 said:
The ones I am thinking of are: Solaris, Beos(spelt wrong I think), FreeBSD, a type of Linux or anything else you guys suggest.
Spelled right, capitalized wrong. It's BeOS and, in case you were wondering, it's pronounced Bee-Oh-Ess not Bee-Oss. It's been a few years since I have used it but I really enjoyed it as it provided a very Mac-like experience.
 

JonMaker

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here.
1. Try a "new" OS on a machine that you wouldn't miss. You will need another machine to access help.
2. Don't go for something that drops you straight into a GUI. You will learn nothing.
3. You have friends. They are Google, man, and ssh.
 

GoCubsGo

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I'd highly recommend Debian Linux.
And I wouldn't dare try it on my powerbook.
 

iindigo

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I'm not sure for Macs, other than PPC Linux or another *nix variant, but if you get a hold of about any PC or an ooold Mac (we're talking 200Mhz PPC 604e or older) I highly recommend trying out BeOS. It's very, very fast, was highly media oriented, and was way ahead of its time (it had metadata support in the 90s) and is Mac-like in many ways. The official maker of BeOS, Be Inc., died in 2001 however BeOS is still worked on and supported here: http://www.beosmax.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Here's a couple screenshots:
 

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