While I wait for the MBP C2D, My dad ordered a Dell (UPDATED)

M. Malone

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I hope I don't get flamed, but this is really interesting.

I'm waiting on the new MBP

Last night my dad ordered an Inspiron 17":

Core 2 Duo 2.0GHZ
2 gigs ram
120GB hard drive
Dual Layer DVD burner
256MB ATI RADEON X1400
Sound Blaster Audigy HD
and 2 year warranty with at home service

all this cost $1,402...with free Shipping, it should arrive no later than this tuesday, build one now if you don't believe it!

Still waiting on a MBP but oh well
 

jsw

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We have a slightly older (Core Duo) version of that Inspiron at work. It's a very fast system and quite capable. However, it feels very plastic-y. And it's big.

But... nice system, good price.
 

Chundles

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So what? It's a Windows PC - not an option for me, I use Mac OSX.

That's like saying "while I was waiting to buy a boat my father went out and bought a motorcycle - it's quicker than my boat, cheaper than my boat and uses less fuel than my boat." Problem is, a motorcycle isn't a boat...

To me, a Mac and a PC laptop are two totally different things. Sure they may share the same innards but a PC laptop doesn't run OSX. Therefore a PC laptop simply isn't an option and any advantage it may have in specifications means absolutely nothing.
 

plinden

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The Inspirons are consumer PCs - configure a Precision M90 workstation to similar specs and it comes to more than $3000. There is no 17" Latitude but the 15" Latitude D820 comes to $2200, with a 2.16GHz Core Duo.
 

M. Malone

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Pressure said:
So, what part of this specific Dell machine do you find interesting?

I am dying to know ;)
the price :) and the fact that they ship it with Core 2 Duo, that's it
 

MovieCutter

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Chundles said:
So what? It's a Windows PC - not an option for me, I use Mac OSX.

That's like saying "while I was waiting to buy a boat my father went out and bought a motorcycle - it's quicker than my boat, cheaper than my boat and uses less fuel than my boat." Problem is, a motorcycle isn't a boat...

To me, a Mac and a PC laptop are two totally different things. Sure they may share the same innards but a PC laptop doesn't run OSX. Therefore a PC laptop simply isn't an option and any advantage it may have in specifications means absolutely nothing.
Excellent analogy
 

Chundles

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redbandit said:
More power to your dad!

Down with the Haters!
I don't hate PCs, they're just not suitable for my needs and as such can't be considered an option.
 

Dont Hurt Me

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That X1400 blows away any integrated crap from Intel and from what I have read even the GMA3000 wont come close. Thats the kind of hardware Apple should offer. If you compare that Dell with Macbook Macbook looks pretty poor only you still have a windows machine. A X1400 option for low end Macs would be very good.
 

Pressure

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Dont Hurt Me said:
That X1400 blows away any integrated crap from Intel and from what I have read even the GMA3000 wont come close. Thats the kind of hardware Apple should offer. If you compare that Dell with Macbook Macbook looks pretty poor only you still have a windows machine. A X1400 option for low end Macs would be very good.
They should either use the Mobility X1450 or Mobility X1700 ;)
 

Veritas&Equitas

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I do have to say, those specs are sick for the price...hm, darnit, I'm actually considering maybe considering buying one...I'm totally sick of waiting for Apple to pull their heads out. As noted in the other thread, say they release Merom at MWSF...3 months later, Santa Rosa ships with Leopard? How many ways to I want to screw myself over by having dated hardware for 3 months after paying $2k for it? As of right now, the MBP is a tough sell, seeing the same price with dated hardware...when was the last time it was updated?...in the tech/Intel world, seemingly 20 years ago IMO...
 

XP Defector

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Actually I'd say that anaolgy is nonsense. For a start, a Boat is a boat and a bike is a bike, they are both computers.
 

dollystereo

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Whats Wrong with Core Duo 1, is almost the same than Core Duo 2, you will not see benefits os the 64 bit adressing in a laptop. And the speed is like 15% faster and extremely hot. (More than yonah)
 

Chundles

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XP Defector said:
Actually I'd say that anaolgy is nonsense. For a start, a Boat is a boat and a bike is a bike, they are both computers.
A boat and a bike are both forms of transportation. A Mac and a PC are both computers but because a PC can't run OSX then they don't even figure into my determination as to what my next machine will be. Just as a man who wants to buy a boat wouldn't buy a motorcycle despite that they both get you around.
 

danjames99

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Actually I'd say that anaolgy is nonsense. For a start, a Boat is a boat and a bike is a bike, they are both computers.

Yes, that's exactly right. People here are nuts.

I use Macs for what I do for a living. I have no love for the Apple corporation or their marketing fetishes. I like MacOSX more than Windows, and I'd even be willing to say I'll even pay a (reasonable) premium for it.

I'd even be willing to say when you compare similarly featured specs, the price does creep up. You're looking at a lower-speed C2D chip I assume than we presume the Macs will start with. I specifically need a smaller computer, and the Dell was priced pretty similarly to a MB when given similar specs.

And, no, I'm not going to settle for "less" and put up and smile and give Apple my money nonetheless. A 15% increase in speed is HUGE when we're talking about Photoshop or InDesign. And there's no way I'm going to buy a 32-bit chip when all the software in the future that I use will get more life on 64-bit systems. Most advertising firms are right still almost entirely G4 based. You can get a lot of life out of a Mac system, but that's exactly why I want to buy something now and I'll get another MB in probably 2010.

I'm waiting for a Conroe MB and I'm not happy about it. I hope that Dell pricing makes some Apple people sweat.
 

jellomizer

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dollystereo said:
Whats Wrong with Core Duo 1, is almost the same than Core Duo 2, you will not see benefits os the 64 bit adressing in a laptop. And the speed is like 15% faster and extremely hot. (More than yonah)
I cant speak for everyone but I am waiting for C2D MBP for a couple of reasons.
1. The current model is Gen 1. While there is has been patches that fixed many of the problems I would like a Gen 2, Where some of the hardware glitches have been cleaned, minor they are.

2. Adding 6 more months of software compatibility. With a new laptop every 6 months, it generally gives you six more months of your system being in date with the software. With my average rate of a computer of about 4 years, I am still using my 667mhz powerbook from 2002. So it is a difference of 1/8 extra software compatibility life.

3. 64 Bit software compatibility there is a time shortly where applications will be requiring 64 bit. Not just about memory management but just calculating big numbers, or more precise floating points faster.

4. Value, Apple has an issue of deprecating costs of their products overtime, The 17" MBP cost as much as they did 6 months ago. So if you get it when it is new. It is the best time for value and cost (for the latest system).

5. The +/- 15% speed increase does help, it is a difference of waiting 1 hour to run a simulation vs 50 minutes. Also on day to day tasks It is enough make some things from useable to smooth. For example on my powerbook Terminal with Anti-Aliasing works Ok for normal tasks, but when I am using apps with more advanced text (like a color text editor) It still works at a workable rate but it just slightly on the annoying scale so I need to turn off Anti-Aliasing fonts. If my system was 15% faster it should be enough to handle that task. While the current MBP are fast enough but who know what apple will come up with in 3 years that makes MBP feel sluggish and a C2D MBP work without a hitch.

6. Heat as long as it is the engineered parameters is not much of an issue for me. My Powerbook already runs hot, Hotter then normal lately because all the apps now put more demand on it. I Habitually rest the laptop on a lap table of some sort. And up here in the north east it is nice on a cold day. Just put a blanket on and rest the laptop on your feet, in short time you feel warm and toasty.

7. Personal Status, while it is not technical or logical, by my reputation people expect me to have the best system, and they are already confuse that I do most of my work off a 4 year old laptop. But when I upgrade I want a system that I can brag about a little and show off my Bling. Apple makes nice looking systems so getting a system that is the top performer even for a little while make me feel good. And I look good using it.

8. Time saved for the laptop. I started saving for a new MacBook Pro when the 17" MBP was released. I finally have the money for it (I avoid being in dept as much as possible plus I needed to save a bit more for emergencies). But if I wait just a little bit more, I can get something a bit better.

9. Chance for something new. While I am not betting on anything new with the case or new extra features on the new MPB other then processor upgrade but by waiting a couple weeks, we may be able to get a higher res iSite (Or one that you can face an other direction, (which would be handy for recording lectures), New Case design, better video card, Faster Wireless, more Max RAM... Probably not but there is a chance and who know it could come in handy.

10. Apple Pride, I get a C2D macbook pro and guy gets a C2D dell. I can still make him feel inadequate.
 

Cameront9

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Today in a meeting I watched as two of my coworkers fiddled with their dell laptops, trying to get them to work on various things. 3-finger salute was used quite often (didn't always work the first time), and at least one reboot was needed. During this time, I cruised along on my Powerbook G4 without a care in the world.

At a break, I joked to my coworker that if he had a Mac, he wouldn't have to put up with this kind of thing. He seriously told me that his current machine was very stable and that he saw no reason to switch. This is after his machine had crashed twice in the space of an hour.

My point here is that these guys had newer laptops that my Powerbook, but I was the one who was more productive. Given the choice between a brand-new Windows PC and a slightly old (hell, even more expensive) OS X machine, I'd put my money on OS X.
 

Sesshi

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I have no functional problems with my Dells but the Inspiron 17" is as jsw says... in fact I'll be less diplomatic and say it is fugly to the max. I've got one too and it's not used too often because - well, it is just not Inspiron to use. :D

My 17" HP nx9420 on the other hand is an exercise in smart solidity. I like this machine, moreso for my uses than the MBP. To all intents and purpose the hardware is the same as the MBP, it's a 2.16CD / X1600 but it's very usable, everything works all the time without minor niggles, doesn't get like a furnace and is built really well.

Don't really like any of the Inspirons but I do like the Dell Latitudes. I finally picked up a couple of 15" Core 2 Duo machines to take the place of the purpose that the Macbooks would have have been used for (had they been any good) and these are understated solid machines, better engineered than anything from Apple at this time (if not as well designed), which I got for crazy prices with amazing service levels.

For me, Windows is definitely an option, and it's an option I've eagerly embraced back (although I'm typing this on my MBP right now). OS X is slightly but notably more productive in many situations but I don't have the 'scales have fallen from my eyes' intensity of difference between the 2 OS's.

I really don't get this fuss about waiting for C2D. It might make a difference if Apple comes out with higher clock speeds than 2.33 (and you're actually going to buy those higher clocked versions), but if you're getting excited about 2.16 ~ 2.33 C2Ds then as the owner of 2.16 CD and C2D machines right now I can tell you there's nothing to get excited about.
 

M. Malone

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Well the Dell laptop arrived on Monday, I ordered it on Thursday, so it took 2 business days to get here, yes, it is really ugly, but that's an opinion, and I hated the feel, but for $1400, with FREE SHIPPING, and it got here so fast, a Core2Duo laptop...and it's flawless, no dead pixels, no over heating, no complaints.

Just thought you all would want an update
 
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