Yeah
Except that Firewire leaves USB in the dust.
USB is legacy, and always has been to Firewire.
alright why don't you ask apple to drop USB and use only firewire??
Yeah
Except that Firewire leaves USB in the dust.
USB is legacy, and always has been to Firewire.
Hahaha... sure...
USB 2.0 (480Mbit) can't push 480Mbit (60 MB/s) sustained. Drives can sustain ~80MB/s.
OK, let's say that the sustained rate for USB 3.0 is 10x USB 2.0. You won't "burn" these numbers. It will approach drive interface numbers, but not exceed. Because the data has to go through the SATA connection anyhow. You can't send data faster than the drive can accept it.
Also, does USB 3.0 have any of the command queueing options that SATA and SCSI have? If not, then at best you can expect single threaded writes (i.e single large transfers) to match the speed of the drive you are sending it to (great for backups or working with single large files), but lousy for interactive or multithreaded access where large numbers of files are read/written simultaneously, like on a boot device, or for use by a web server, DB server (think: MAMP).
I want my USB to be fast, don't get me wrong. But it's no replacement for SATA.
common don't be a blind fanboy
a good start would be to add a matt option next to the glossy one
macthetiger85: that looks like an Apple branded Slingbox.
One thing that gets me is how is Apple going to top the current iMac? The prior one was 'revolutionary' and the new one (current models) were as well. What could Apple do to top what they already have?
If you ask me, Apple really flirts with a world of hurt being so advanced and forward thinking. What if the new iMac is a 'new design' and it blows? Are they going to keep the current design for a decade? I guess it's the old question of how do you perfect perfection. Is it possible to come up with a more perfect iMac? I mean, aside from the bickering about firewire or not, what would Apple do to redesign the iMac and wow people.
As far as predictions and wants, I fall into the ITX or micro-ATX Mac Box group. Make the mini a Mac Pro Jr. Put some killer slots in it, space for at least 2 HDD's, a backplane that is upgradable, a glowing Apple emblem on the side, some upgradability for those that want or need to, include 11.n and maybe one of the 3.5 headphone/optical outputs. It could turn into the everything box. It can't be too expandable or it will eat into the Mac Pro but I think such a box would be a huge hit.
Why won't it happen? Steve hates slots. The Mac Pro is for those that have to have slots (it does have slots, right? I've never seen one 'nekud'). If you want mucho expandability, pay the toll for THE box, otherwise live with what you get (not that it's at all bad).
But, how does Apple perfect perfection? They have a huge task before them in a redesign...
EDIT: Why 2-drives? RAID 1 mirroring. People are using their Macs for more things everyday and the inability to add a second drive and provide some redundancy is probably a concern for some people. I'm doing more and more desktop RAID upgrades for clients... From a business continuity reason alone, RAID has the ability to save a lot of time and heartache...
Well if you are skeptical about the Mac Pro update then you should be REALLY skeptical about the iMac update because it has only been about 6 months from its last update.
It has been WAY to long for the for the Mac Pro it is the Flagship desktop and it is getting long in the tooth.
Hopefully apple will put in the "NVIDIA GeForce 9400M" and maybe a PCIe upgrade slot so users can have the choice to upgrade to better graphics card (how would they ever fit it though?
) The mac mini needs to be more expandable.
Also the new mac mini needs to be able to support more RAM.
I think it would be a step backwards to remove the full size DVI from the mac mini.
I also think it needs SSD support so people can use it as "carputers"
Hahaha... sure...
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I want my USB to be fast, don't get me wrong. But it's no replacement for SATA.
Whether it's supported and BTO or not, you'll be able to put any 2.5" esata in there (well maybe if they have esata in this rendition)
Originally Posted by iceman1234
Hopefully apple will put in the "NVIDIA GeForce 9400M" and maybe a PCIe upgrade slot so users can have the choice to upgrade to better graphics card (how would they ever fit it though?) The mac mini needs to be more expandable.
Originally Posted by dohardthings
alright why don't you ask apple to drop USB and use only firewire??
Originally Posted by MattInOz
Isn't ESATA a real chance on the Mini and iMac.
Originally Posted by MattInOz
Isn't eSATA a real chance on the Mini and iMac.
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IMac: 2.8 ~ 3.2 ghz dual core 2 duo, 9600 gt and 9400m nividia gpu with the option up to 4 gb ddr3 ram and 1 Tb hard drives. Slot loading super drive. 24 and 30 in. $1300 ~ 2200 price tag.
Mac-Mini: 2.0 ~ 2.4 ghz core 2 duo, nividia 9400m gpu. Up to 2 gb ddr3 ram and 320 gb hard drive. Slot loading superdrive. $699 ~ 899 price tag
Oh yeah and display port standard on mac mini.
It's time for a quad-core in the Imac - gotta keep up with those $600 HP systems.
The MacPro is not the flagship - what do you see after each getamac commercial? i'll give you a hint - it starts with i and ends with Mac
Just because it's the most expensive doesn't make it most important.
And that's sad....
Maybe if Apple would design a proprietary "Mini eSATA" connector and cable, so that only Apple's eSATA addon drives would work with the new Imac and Mini....
And, of course, mess up the electrical bit so that a passive gender changer wouldn't let standard eSATA drives work.
And the fanbois would sing hosannas and cry "way to innovate, Steve!".
And that's really sad.
In addition, Apple needs the mini-tower (the "Maxi-mini"). Have an x16 PCIe slot for graphics (as well as the Intel integrated graphics), 3.5" disks, desktop CPUs (including quads), full set of standard (not weird proprietary) ports.
Include a spare 5.25" HD slot for either a second optical or second 3.5" drive. If you really want to excite people, have a second 3.5" slot open so that you could have either 3 HDs and an optical, or 2 HDs and 2 opticals.
Include one or two PCIe x1 slots for a respectable 7.1 sound card or TV tuner option.
Do that, and start counting the switchers. For every Mac Pro sale Apple would lose, they'd get 5 switchers.
Even though some external HD's have eSATA, most people tend to use USB or Firewire.
To bad it will never happen. The Mac Pro would be slaughtered...
And this would be a bad thing?
It would just prove that Apple hasn't been listening to her customers.
At the moment I am still waiting... thought of a Dell, thought of a refurb, but if they bring out a Midi or a new Mini then I would be in line at thestore. And November 11??? That is only a week and a bit away. If that is the case, all I can say is "WOO-HOO!!!!"
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If the Mini gets a Mini DisplayPort will it still be just as easy to connect this to my TV that has HDMI as it is with the current model Mini (DVI/VGA)?
Looks like there will be nothing new coming at all until January....
http://www.macworld.com/article/136528/2008/11/appleproducts.html
The Quote they provided doesn't suggest anything other than their holiday lineup is set (which could easily be, yet some of them might not be releaed yet). Apple still takes the position on not commenting on the release of future products, so Macworld's source or any other publications is as theoretically valid as the next.