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Hahaha... sure...

USB 2.0 (480Mbit) can't push 480Mbit (60 MB/s) sustained. Drives can sustain ~80MB/s.

OK, let's say that the sustained rate for USB 3.0 is 10x USB 2.0. You won't "burn" these numbers. It will approach drive interface numbers, but not exceed. Because the data has to go through the SATA connection anyhow. You can't send data faster than the drive can accept it.

Also, does USB 3.0 have any of the command queueing options that SATA and SCSI have? If not, then at best you can expect single threaded writes (i.e single large transfers) to match the speed of the drive you are sending it to (great for backups or working with single large files), but lousy for interactive or multithreaded access where large numbers of files are read/written simultaneously, like on a boot device, or for use by a web server, DB server (think: MAMP).

I want my USB to be fast, don't get me wrong. But it's no replacement for SATA.

I was telling only about the transfer speed, of course the hard drive will be the bottleneck. I don't think that the use of an external drive will be DB server or web server, USB 3.0 will be very capable.
 
common don't be a blind fanboy :D

a good start would be to add a matt option next to the glossy one

Well, that did sound a little too self laudatory...

Why are people so hung up on having a matte version of the iMac? Rhetorical question: Aren't there companies that make anti-glare addons for the iMac?

A polarized and anti-glare addon would be great IMO. That way, when you need it, you have it. When you don't, you take it off. The survey says: Anti-glare matte finishes do impact the display slightly... As much as I thought that I'd hate a glossy screen, I have found that it's not so bad. I just have to stop the urge to touch the screen with dirty fingers... ;) I did have what I thought was a dead pixel :eek:, it was a smudge of something... :eek: The 'j' from 'pbj'? :confused: Don't know. Love my microfibre cloth and 'M' brand cleaner... :cool:
 
macthetiger85: that looks like an Apple branded Slingbox.

One thing that gets me is how is Apple going to top the current iMac? The prior one was 'revolutionary' and the new one (current models) were as well. What could Apple do to top what they already have?

If you ask me, Apple really flirts with a world of hurt being so advanced and forward thinking. What if the new iMac is a 'new design' and it blows? Are they going to keep the current design for a decade? I guess it's the old question of how do you perfect perfection. Is it possible to come up with a more perfect iMac? I mean, aside from the bickering about firewire or not, what would Apple do to redesign the iMac and wow people.

As far as predictions and wants, I fall into the ITX or micro-ATX Mac Box group. Make the mini a Mac Pro Jr. Put some killer slots in it, space for at least 2 HDD's, a backplane that is upgradable, a glowing Apple emblem on the side, some upgradability for those that want or need to, include 11.n and maybe one of the 3.5 headphone/optical outputs. It could turn into the everything box. It can't be too expandable or it will eat into the Mac Pro but I think such a box would be a huge hit.

Why won't it happen? Steve hates slots. The Mac Pro is for those that have to have slots (it does have slots, right? I've never seen one 'nekud'). If you want mucho expandability, pay the toll for THE box, otherwise live with what you get (not that it's at all bad).

But, how does Apple perfect perfection? They have a huge task before them in a redesign...

EDIT: Why 2-drives? RAID 1 mirroring. People are using their Macs for more things everyday and the inability to add a second drive and provide some redundancy is probably a concern for some people. I'm doing more and more desktop RAID upgrades for clients... From a business continuity reason alone, RAID has the ability to save a lot of time and heartache...


You perfect perfection by going from Jay leno to - well someone without a chin.

When the iMac is the size (height and width) of the new 24" Display.
 
Well if you are skeptical about the Mac Pro update then you should be REALLY skeptical about the iMac update because it has only been about 6 months from its last update.

It has been WAY to long for the for the Mac Pro it is the Flagship desktop and it is getting long in the tooth.

The MacPro is not the flagship - what do you see after each getamac commercial? i'll give you a hint - it starts with i and ends with Mac

Just because it's the most expensive doesn't make it most important.
 
:apple: Hopefully apple will put in the "NVIDIA GeForce 9400M" and maybe a PCIe upgrade slot so users can have the choice to upgrade to better graphics card (how would they ever fit it though?:confused:) The mac mini needs to be more expandable.

:apple: Also the new mac mini needs to be able to support more RAM.

:apple: I think it would be a step backwards to remove the full size DVI from the mac mini.

:apple: I also think it needs SSD support so people can use it as "carputers"

Whether it's supported and BTO or not, you'll be able to put any 2.5" esata in there (well maybe if they have esata in this rendition)
 
Hahaha... sure...

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I want my USB to be fast, don't get me wrong. But it's no replacement for SATA.


Isn't ESATA a real chance on the Mini and iMac. They would only need to add the plug and routing, as the nVidia Chipset supports up to 6 sata devices and they are only using 2. If sure would make alot of sense on a Desktop/mini server.
 
Whether it's supported and BTO or not, you'll be able to put any 2.5" esata in there (well maybe if they have esata in this rendition)

SATA not e(xternal)SATA.

Originally Posted by iceman1234
Hopefully apple will put in the "NVIDIA GeForce 9400M" and maybe a PCIe upgrade slot so users can have the choice to upgrade to better graphics card (how would they ever fit it though?) The mac mini needs to be more expandable.

There is probably more (very slim) chances to see an expresscard port (as the MBP) in the iMac or Mac mini than a full PCIe slot.

Originally Posted by dohardthings
alright why don't you ask apple to drop USB and use only firewire??

It is not about dropping USB or FW. They serve different purposes. Apple used to offer both on all Macs, I think they should have continued even on the MacBook. They may drop it from the "new" Mac mini, if it shares the same motherboard as the MacBook, but if Apple chooses to remove it from the iMac, I predict riots all over the world. If you think that dropping FW from the MacBook has made a lot of ink/pixels, you've have seen nothing yet.

Originally Posted by MattInOz
Isn't ESATA a real chance on the Mini and iMac.

No. :D
 
Originally Posted by MattInOz

Isn't eSATA a real chance on the Mini and iMac.

No. :D


And that's sad....

Maybe if Apple would design a proprietary "Mini eSATA" connector and cable, so that only Apple's eSATA addon drives would work with the new Imac and Mini....

And, of course, mess up the electrical bit so that a passive gender changer wouldn't let standard eSATA drives work.

And the fanbois would sing hosannas and cry "way to innovate, Steve!".

And that's really sad.
 
Mac-Mini Tower and 3.2 ghz IMac

Just predicting

IMac: 2.8 ~ 3.2 ghz dual core 2 duo, 9600 gt and 9400m nividia gpu with the option up to 4 gb ddr3 ram and 1 Tb hard drives. Slot loading super drive. 24 and 30 in. $1300 ~ 2200 price tag

Mac-Mini: 2.0 ~ 2.4 ghz core 2 duo, nividia 9400m gpu. Up to 2 gb ddr3 ram and 320 gb hard drive. Slot loading superdrive. $699 ~ 899 price tag

Oh yeah and display port standard on mac mini.

The mock up below was used a while ago and I dont feel like changing the dvi port to a display port but you get the idea.
 

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IMac: 2.8 ~ 3.2 ghz dual core 2 duo, 9600 gt and 9400m nividia gpu with the option up to 4 gb ddr3 ram and 1 Tb hard drives. Slot loading super drive. 24 and 30 in. $1300 ~ 2200 price tag.

It's time for a quad-core in the Imac - gotta keep up with those $600 HP systems.

And 4 GiB RAM max? Lame - support the 8 GiB limit of the chipset, or leave the game and go home.


Mac-Mini: 2.0 ~ 2.4 ghz core 2 duo, nividia 9400m gpu. Up to 2 gb ddr3 ram and 320 gb hard drive. Slot loading superdrive. $699 ~ 899 price tag

Oh yeah and display port standard on mac mini.

Way beyond lame.

For a Mac-mini replacement - maybe, but bump the RAM to 4 GiB (and keep the laptop parts and laptop drive).
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In addition, Apple needs the mini-tower (the "Maxi-mini"). Have an x16 PCIe slot for graphics (as well as the Intel integrated graphics), 3.5" disks, desktop CPUs (including quads), full set of standard (not weird proprietary) ports.

Include a spare 5.25" HD slot for either a second optical or second 3.5" drive. If you really want to excite people, have a second 3.5" slot open so that you could have either 3 HDs and an optical, or 2 HDs and 2 opticals.

Include one or two PCIe x1 slots for a respectable 7.1 sound card or TV tuner option.

Do that, and start counting the switchers. For every Mac Pro sale Apple would lose, they'd get 5 switchers.
 
It's time for a quad-core in the Imac - gotta keep up with those $600 HP systems.

Clearly an uninformed opinion. HP offers no all in one with more that a Core2Duo and the lowest base price is $1169. Further, the HP offerings run Windows Vista, period, as delivered from HP. Apple can and should do better, but compared to the offerings from HP and Dell, there is not really much competition, IMHO. It might be worth noting how a quad core CPU would fare vs. a Core2Duo in combination with a decent OS with capabilities to offload load to the GPUs......

Of course, in the coming economic meltdown, these issues may become rather moot....
 
The MacPro is not the flagship - what do you see after each getamac commercial? i'll give you a hint - it starts with i and ends with Mac

Just because it's the most expensive doesn't make it most important.


Wow, who pee-ed in your korn flakes this morning?

Just because the iMac appears in ads means very little. Apple is targeting people with those ads and they are not people wanting to spend 6k-19k on a system and not people looking for the best in performance.

Do you see many Ford or Chevy ads on TV talking about their F750 or C8500?
 
Intel just recently has allowed the press to report performance of the new iCore7 CPUs (Nehalem) which is due in mid november. No mobile version of those though, so not sure wether they can include those in the iMac. The MacMini will surely share parts with the MacBooks so 2.0 GHz / 2.4 GHz and it certainly will not look like a mini version of the MacPro ;)
 
And that's sad....

Maybe if Apple would design a proprietary "Mini eSATA" connector and cable, so that only Apple's eSATA addon drives would work with the new Imac and Mini....

And, of course, mess up the electrical bit so that a passive gender changer wouldn't let standard eSATA drives work.

And the fanbois would sing hosannas and cry "way to innovate, Steve!".

And that's really sad.

Even though some external HD's have eSATA, most people tend to use USB or Firewire.
 
In addition, Apple needs the mini-tower (the "Maxi-mini"). Have an x16 PCIe slot for graphics (as well as the Intel integrated graphics), 3.5" disks, desktop CPUs (including quads), full set of standard (not weird proprietary) ports.

Include a spare 5.25" HD slot for either a second optical or second 3.5" drive. If you really want to excite people, have a second 3.5" slot open so that you could have either 3 HDs and an optical, or 2 HDs and 2 opticals.

Include one or two PCIe x1 slots for a respectable 7.1 sound card or TV tuner option.

Do that, and start counting the switchers. For every Mac Pro sale Apple would lose, they'd get 5 switchers.

This is what would really make me take the plunge into the world of "yesterdays products for tomorrows prices" - easy upgrades in a user friendly architecture. Love the way Apple makes their products in every other way...

To bad it will never happen. The Mac Pro would be slaughtered...
 
And this would be a bad thing?

It would just prove that Apple hasn't been listening to her customers.

No, I would not mind the Mac Pro being wiped. I do, however, guess that to some extent Apple would mind since the product you described would be a cheaper one with almost the same theoretical performance as the Mac Pro = less revenue because people would not be forced into getting the Pro.

Then again, the scale of sales factor might kick in and as you said, a product like the one described would attract many shifters. From my experience the lack of upgradability in general and in graphics in particular is an important deal breaker today.
 
At the moment I am still waiting... thought of a Dell, thought of a refurb, but if they bring out a Midi or a new Mini then I would be in line at the :apple: store. And November 11??? That is only a week and a bit away. If that is the case, all I can say is "WOO-HOO!!!!" :D

Finally! Someone who GETS the post! It's a Midi, not a Mini.

Bunch of negativity floating around here. Hello Apple? Your once upbeat and optimistic user base have been bred into cynical pessimism. Was that in your marketing plan when you switched from Apple to Apple Inc.?
 
If the Mac Mini is refreshed with the following, or similar:

* 2GHz or faster Core 2 Duo (2.4GHz would be nice)
* 2GB RAM as standard (fast DDR3), 4GB possible
* NVIDIA 9400M chipset (perfect choice for a mini computer as it is one chip vs two for an Intel solution)
* Two SODIMM slots for RAM, and more accessible
* 320GB hard drive (maybe 160GB for the cheaper pricepoint would be acceptable)
* Same price as now (£399 - £499)

then I will buy one. I don't care about discrete graphics which I think isn't important for such a computer, nor do I care about BluRay capability. It would be a plus if it had Firewire still.
 
If the Mini gets a Mini DisplayPort will it still be just as easy to connect this to my TV that has HDMI as it is with the current model Mini (DVI/VGA)?
 
If the Mini gets a Mini DisplayPort will it still be just as easy to connect this to my TV that has HDMI as it is with the current model Mini (DVI/VGA)?

Yes. You would need the Mini DisplayPort =>DVI adapter then a DVI => HDMI Cable.
 
Looks like there will be nothing new coming at all until January....

http://www.macworld.com/article/136528/2008/11/appleproducts.html

The Quote they provided doesn't suggest anything other than their holiday lineup is set (which could easily be, yet some of them might not be releaed yet). Apple still takes the position on not commenting on the release of future products, so Macworld's source or any other publications is as theoretically valid as the next.
 
The Quote they provided doesn't suggest anything other than their holiday lineup is set (which could easily be, yet some of them might not be releaed yet). Apple still takes the position on not commenting on the release of future products, so Macworld's source or any other publications is as theoretically valid as the next.

That's not the way the article reads, as it specifically says Apple "has no plans to release any new products before the holidays."

I think Apple will be missing the boat if they don't update the iMac before the holiday season. (But I also want Firewire on my Macbook, so what do I know?)
 
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