I was in the Apple Store in Dallas, TX at the Northpark Center Location tonight. I was a walk in so i had to wait an hour and a half. I was getting my old iphone looked at since my warranty is about to expire, and while i was waiting there were at least 15 people in front of me with their 3g's and when the Genius would tell them that they would replace their phone but it WOULD BE A REFURB i just happened to overhear him. Now i dont doubt that several people got brand new ones at one time but it has been almost two months so the refurbs are out. If its in a little white box with nothing on it then it IS A REFURB. Now i have no problems with refurbs. They have same warranty and look great. Just wanted to let yall know.