White House, Apple, and Others Launch 'Find Something New' Website to Promote Wide Array of Career Paths

[dannyyankou]

Nice. Most 4 year school degrees are a scam!

Eh I disagree with this. You can argue that universities are way too expensive and there should be more affordable higher education opportunities, but study after study shows that people with a 4 year degree have significantly higher salaries than those without one.

 

[nutmac]

Nice. Most 4 year school degrees are a scam!

"Gainful Employment" is an initiative started by Obama and extended by the Trump administration. It aims to bring more transparency from college, where colleges are required to disclose information on their graduates like earnings data and debt-to-earning rates. A good goal, but it only covers a small percentage of colleges and often fraught with corruptions.

It also doesn't help that college education is overpriced, increasing at an absurd rate that outpaces just about everything. And there's also ridiculously priced textbooks.

Having said that, while many college degrees may not lead to an ideal job, and sometimes fail to not teach skills desired by employers, not having a college degree greatly reduces the likelihood of landing an ideal job. This is especially true when you are competing with other candidates, most with a college degree, often from respectable institution.

So scam or not, most people will need one if they were to have a high paying career.

 

[Joniz]

As a recently graduated software engineer (4 year old bachelor degree), I can testify this degree 100% worths it. It develops your mind and thinking abilities a lot more than any online formation. This is freaking more valuable than anything else.
You don’t need a 4 years old degree to code. But to code intelligently, beautifully, efficiently, you totally need it.
It makes you learn to learn.

It also keeps you from selecting Bubble Sort as your first choice.

 

[xb2003]

I’m fine with this. The more people that don’t have a 4 year degree, the more mine is worth.

 

[nutmac]

The demand for skilled electricians and plumbers is increasing as the older ones retire. It’s a shame how many high schools (mine included) really try to push people to go to a 4 year college. College isn’t for everybody, and those that chose not to go seem to be forgotten by high school guidance counselors.

If you have both the aptitude and desire to pursue in skilled specialist, it can be a lucrative path. I live in Silicon Valley and if you have built up reputations as a skilled contractor (e.g., general contractor, electrician, plumber, painter, remodeling architect), you can make a lot of money, often more than software engineer at companies like Google and Facebook (where starting salary now exceeds $150,000 and many make over $300,000 after several years).

 

[PBG4 Dude]

As a recently graduated software engineer (4 year old bachelor degree), I can testify this degree 100% worths it. It develops your mind and thinking abilities a lot more than any online formation. This is freaking more valuable than anything else.
You don’t need a 4 years old degree to code. But to code intelligently, beautifully, efficiently, you totally need it.
It makes you learn to learn.

Totally agree. I’ve been coding since I was 12, but my code got much more elegant during my schooling.

 

[jerryk]

As a recently graduated software engineer (4 year old bachelor degree), I can testify this degree 100% worths it. It develops your mind and thinking abilities a lot more than any online formation. This is freaking more valuable than anything else.
You don’t need a 4 years old degree to code. But to code intelligently, beautifully, efficiently, you totally need it.
It makes you learn to learn.

Now closer to the end of my working years and that worked for me even back in the days of text only apps. It has paid for homes, kids through colleges, etc. Also, has let me work with the some really amazing individuals that taught me a ton.

The best decision I every made when finishing degrees in Physics and Geology was not pursue a carrier in oil exploration and living on rigs. But rather focus on computing and getting a Masters in Computer Science.
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If you have both the aptitude and desire to pursue in skilled specialist, it can be a lucrative path. I live in Silicon Valley and if you have built up reputations as a skilled contractor (e.g., general contractor, electrician, plumber, painter, remodeling architect), you can make a lot of money, often more than software engineer at companies like Google and Facebook (where starting salary now exceeds $150,000 and many make over $300,000 after several years).

Of course, even in the Valley now contractors are scrambling for work. No one wants strangers in their homes right now. Also, they don't want the noise and racket while trying to work from home the rest of the year. We just sent out contractor a notice that we are putting the next phase of remodeling on hold because of these issues.

But if you don't mind people in the house this is great time to get contractors in. They are have great availability and are job hungry so the prices are down.

 

[RickDEGH]

In the 1700's and 1800's you worked and lived on a farm, in the 1900's and 20th century you lived in the city and worked in a factory mechanical age. In the 21st century with technology you work at you home or virtually as AI and robotics take over the manual labor. We now live in a very technology society and knowing how to control the technology are the jobs. Go look at a modern farm and you will see robotic John Deer tractors running all around. Read who moved my cheese and you see that the world changes and it changes faster when you have a world events like a war or Pandemic.

There is still a good array of jobs - which you fail to recognize - that don’t fall into the technology-taking-over-jobs mantra. Like a skilled plumber or mechanic. There are many more.

 

[urnotl33t]

There isn't enough sarcasm to address the tastelessness of this.

On a serious note, did they ever think that some people just don't want to be electricians?



True, but some people can't afford to go back to school and/or don't have the time. Bills still need to be paid.

My AC unit will (and has) died. A robot can’t fix that. I need a clueful person to do that. Yeah some may want to be lazy and not do that work. Those folks you almost never can help. Some, however, just need a hint and little info to get them in the right direction. Others will do the work just because they want to and see the opportunity before them.

But that bottom 5%, you can never help them. Ever. That’s why 5% is often considered the natural unemployment number, and when we hit “5% unemployment” that is called “full employment”.

It sucks, but it’s reality.

 

[carestudio]

Then pay someone to take the SAT and a doctor to say that you have flat feet and dodge the draft.

No more SAT in the future I think. lol.

 

[itsmilo]

What a tone deaf campaign to start NOW. Of course it’s the rich telling the people out of their jobs now to just start something new 🙄 it’s the Same BS as „if you believe, you can do ANYTHING“

things aren’t that easy in the real world

 

[quietstormSD]

The demand for skilled electricians and plumbers is increasing as the older ones retire. It’s a shame how many high schools (mine included) really try to push people to go to a 4 year college. College isn’t for everybody, and those that chose not to go seem to be forgotten by high school guidance counselors.

Don't you know that they are going to make plumbing and electrical wires have AI in them so they will build and fix themselves. According to Silicon Valley.

 

[B4U]

So, let them eat cake?
If one lost their job now, the first thing they do should be get trained for something new instead of finding another job to pay the bills? Did I misunderstand anything?
This kind of initiative would be better launched not during the pandemic now.
On the other hand. Sure, Tim. A 4 year degree is not needed for proficient at coding and it has some truth to it. But go ahead and tell that to all the hiring managers. We needed the damn piece of paper to land the job.
Tim, talk is cheap. Lead by example and hire people without said college degree.
The following screen capture is just one of the many jobs that Apple requires a B.S. degree.

 

[mrr]

Given that millions of people have permanently lost their jobs due to the tragic lack of leadership during this pandemic, they have no choice but to “find something new.”

 

[kagharaht]

How is this helpful now being jobless and broke?

 

[2010mini]

Wonderful.

now bring back the trades classes in high school.
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How is this helpful now being jobless and broke?

shows that there are literally 1,000s of jobs needing to be filled right now... even during the lockdown.

 

[chumpy34]

Just completely tone deaf and very surprised Tim/Apple attached their name to this. “Hey, mom of three who is unemployed and bills are piling up, get a loan, go to school and become a nurse real quick and everything will be fine!” Best, Ivanka

 

[DoctorTech]

No more SAT in the future I think. lol.

After decades of product design and manufacturing work in automotive and medical device industries, I accepted a faculty appointment to a major university where I now teach operations and supply chain management. We are currently moving to a "test optional" admissions process (meaning the SAT / ACT is no longer required for most students). Our data (SAT scores, graduation rates, and final GPA) shows those test results are not a good predictor of academic success.

"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance" - Ann Landers (1975).

 

[MacBH928]

this is very good, there are a lot of jobs out there people are unaware of.

The demand for skilled electricians and plumbers is increasing as the older ones retire. It’s a shame how many high schools (mine included) really try to push people to go to a 4 year college. College isn’t for everybody, and those that chose not to go seem to be forgotten by high school guidance counselors.

I thought you had to go to college to be a good electrician plumber

 

[AdonisSMU]

Good lord Tim! This was bad. Yikes! I'm a fan of Tim but this was just all kinds of cringey, presumptuous, tone deaf crap that people hate.

 

[msh]

Despicable for Apple to associate their name with anything connected to Trump.

 

[AFDoc]

So the idea is to go to trade school or train in another career.... Ummmm if someone is laid off and has no job how are they going to pay the bills WHILE in trade school or training for another job? Tone deaf and stupid.

 

[elemenohme]

This is a stunningly insulting web site. For billionaires to be telling unemployed people on the verge of eviction during a global pandemic to find another job is just heartless. And the resources on the web site read like scam “schools” not unlike Trump University. And half of the links go to programs for high school students. Tim Cook should be ashamed of being associated with this. It just shows how far Apple has strayed from its roots.

 

[amartinez1660]

In the 1700's and 1800's you worked and lived on a farm, in the 1900's and 20th century you lived in the city and worked in a factory mechanical age. In the 21st century with technology you work at you home or virtually as AI and robotics take over the manual labor. We now live in a very technology society and knowing how to control the technology are the jobs. Go look at a modern farm and you will see robotic John Deer tractors running all around. Read who moved my cheese and you see that the world changes and it changes faster when you have a world events like a war or Pandemic.

Those green John Deere tractors, running around completely on their own you mean?
These things mean a lot, it means no downtime for eating, being sunburnt, back ache making it slow, sick mule/horse and a thousand other drawbacks.

 

[TiggrToo]

A good way to be poor is to not have a 4-year college degree.

Citations of this claim are required, please.

Sure theres a potential to earn more (more so with extended education past a BA), but it's zero gurantee, and no proof that the alternative is to be "poor".


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As a recently graduated software engineer (4 year old bachelor degree), I can testify this degree 100% worths it. It develops your mind and thinking abilities a lot more than any online formation. This is freaking more valuable than anything else.
You don’t need a 4 years old degree to code. But to code intelligently, beautifully, efficiently, you totally need it.
It makes you learn to learn.

I've worked with many folk in my career, many had degrees, quite a few didn't.

The one thing I did discover is that the degree meant nothing in the quality of work.