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When all phones are required to be unlocked on demand, you can kiss the $99 or $199 iPhone goodbye. They'll START at $499 or $549, to reflect the true retail value of the phones. It's locking that makes subsidized prices possible.

No it isn't. Contracts with penalties to break them are what make subsidized prices possible.

DOH! Guess I'm a bit late to this discussion. Others already beat me to it.
 
If this happens then goodbye subsidization.

Not necessarily. Unlocking is not the same as breaking a contract. You'd still be obligated to maintain your account for 2 years, which is typical in the US.

The likeliest impact, IMHO, is increasing the typical contract length, perhaps to 30 months.
 
Someone who continues a crime is just as guilty as the one who started it.

Perhaps you should know who is the BOSS.
Not Obama.

So, is it a Democracy?
Not so.
Stop making fun of North Korea.

I wonder If Kennedy assassination have something to do with his resistance to the Military industry advances.
Why did Obama change his mind, and why he ordered for G. W. Bush to be protected against any charges of war crime, in a war he vehemently opposed?
Obama serves imperialism as any other President.
 
If the companies all agreed on a standardized network (which is what GSM was supposed to be), this wouldn't be a problem, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

BL.

Uh, don't all iPhones have identical antennas?

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Perhaps you should know who is the BOSS.
Not Obama.

So, is it a Democracy?
Not so.
Stop making fun of North Korea.

I wonder If Kennedy assassination have something to do with his resistance to the Military industry advances.
Why did Obama change his mind, and why he asked for G. W. Bush to be protected against any charges of war crime?
Obama serves imperialism as any other President.

Illuminati bruh.
 
After a sprint contract is fulfilled, sprint still won't unlock the phone that you paid for...

But they never promised to unlock it. You bought it unlocked, expecting it would stay that way. How is Sprint doing something illegal? Wrong? Yes, definitely. I agree Sprint SHOULD unlock the phone and be ethical/logical about it, but I don't think government should FORCE them.
 
Wrong, service contracts make subsidized phones possible.

Yes, but for how long? two years is the limit, but carriers want more. If they can't have more with locked phones, prices WILL go higher, believe me. That's what happened in Brazil, although the prices are much higher than they would go in the US because 1 year is the limit here.
 
Not necessarily. Unlocking is not the same as breaking a contract. You'd still be obligated to maintain your account for 2 years, which is typical in the US.

The likeliest impact, IMHO, is increasing the typical contract length, perhaps to 30 months.

People will just vote with their wallets then.
 
I have, did you miss the part where government is allowed to regulate commerce? Maybe YOU should read the constitution.

Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;



3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

NOT OBAMA!
 
If this happens then goodbye subsidization.

Why? You're still locked into a contract and you still need to pay the fee to break the contract. If anything they'll just charge the customer more to break the contract. But Subsidization won't stop...
 
Uh, don't all iPhones have identical antennas?

Uhh.. this problem existed before the iPhone?

Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;



3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

NOT OBAMA!

The President, and through him/her, the Executive Branch, are part of the Government. That is what also gives him the power to present bills to Congress for them to pass.

BL.
 
Let's push for this to go forward. I think Europe already does that. If need be, pass another ruling to ensure compatibility between networks. The way I see it people are still bound by contracts and early termination fees. However, having unlocked phones will make international travel easier, for people who just want to get a local SIM card in the country they are traveling to. It also avoids the hassle of having to contact the cell phone company to unlock the phone. I think this is long overdue and companies shouldn't fear this measure.
 
Locked phones are not cheaper. Subsidized phones are "cheaper." Although, technically, they're not, since you're agreeing to a contract, during which the carrier will recoup the amount of the subsidization (and then some). Locked phones are what keep people from taking their phone to another carrier after that contract has been satisfied.

Go into the Apple store and price an unlocked phone vs. a locked unsubsidized phone. Same price.

You're right in that there is a distinction between "locked" and "subsidized," but companies only sell locked phones subsidized. Why someone would buy a locked phone unsubsidized is beyond me, hence why I use "locked" and "subsidized" interchangeably.
 
Let's push for this to go forward. I think Europe already does that. If need be, pass another ruling to ensure compatibility between networks. The way I see it people are still bound by contracts and early termination fees. However, having unlocked phones will make international travel easier, for people who just want to get a local SIM card in the country they are traveling to. It also avoids the hassle of having to contact the cell phone company to unlock the phone. I think this is long overdue and companies shouldn't fear this measure.

Europe has been doing this since the late 90s. Australia/New Zealand as well. S. America I believe did since then too. We are the only ones that are bass ackwards.

BL.
 
Without taking this to PRSI, I'd say Bush with the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, and the Dept. of Homeland Security.
Yep everyone of those is bad, down right dangerous in fact.
Everyone seemed to have forgotten about their 4th Amendment rights for the sake of wanting to be safer, supporting our troops, and being called 'unAmerican' for speaking out against things going on at that time.
It is the gun control mentality that has sweep the country. It is the idea that government can make people safe. The reality is that it never turns out that way and you end up living in fear of the government.
That expansion has been going on since well before this president; you just tend to blame someone that you don't like for your woes.
That is bull crap, Obama and nobody else is directly responsible for the current expansion. To say other wise is to deny facts that have come to light over the year. Remember Bush was almost 8 years ago now.
That's all I'm going to say on this. Want to continue it further? let's take it to PRSI and we'll lay it all out there.

BL.

I'm not one to get into discussion with people that don't grasp the facts.
 
When all phones are required to be unlocked on demand, you can kiss the $99 or $199 iPhone goodbye. They'll START at $499 or $549, to reflect the true retail value of the phones. It's locking that makes subsidized prices possible.

That's not actually the case. The 2 year contract is what makes subsidized prices possible, which is how carriers can justify the massive early termination fees. You'll notice that the $350 or $375 a carrier will ask you to pay for an ETF matches pretty closely with the $450 they subsidize your iPhone for ($649 becomes $199 and so on per price tier), after they have the first month's service payment.

They want you to believe that the locking allows them to subsidize your phone. They want you to believe lots of things.
 
Oh I most definitely do. The behavior of corporations needs to be heavily regulated.

This is the fundamental disagreement. I can see how your argument makes sense from your basic philosophy on government, so trying to convince you that the government shouldn't do this would require you changing your entire outlook, which is just impossible in an online forum (and probably in any circumstance).
 
It's a fundamental disagreement about government's proper role and free markets. There is no point in debating on that in this kind of forum, but I will admit that I would love for phones to be unlocked. I just don't think companies should be forced.

Question: Would you enjoy living in a world where your town had only three theaters and a single movie studio owned them all? So, for example, you could see paramount movies, but never anyone else's films.

Because that's how it used to be until the government stepped in. Would you like us to go back to that system? Your stance says 'yes' to me, but I can't really understand that desire. Care to explain?
 
Really? Like the administration doesn't have more important things to worry about. Whats next? Make Ford service Chevrolets. What a joke.
 
It took the wrong hands to move this.

It's good to know that the FCC had to be asked to do this.
 
When all phones are required to be unlocked on demand, you can kiss the $99 or $199 iPhone goodbye. They'll START at $499 or $549, to reflect the true retail value of the phones. It's locking that makes subsidized prices possible.
why's that? with signed contract you still will have subsidized phones.
 
Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power
NOT OBAMA!

Glad you mentioned that! Actually, Obama is PETITIONING the FCC to require cell carriers to unlock phones. Guess who created the FCC for the purpose of regulating telecommunications, your bff, CONGRESS!! Funny how these things work right?
 
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