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on every single iphone, ipod, and even ipad the censers are behind the glass. the glass might be thinner there or something like that (not true just a example) but they are in fact behind the glass
 
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Look at those fingerprints. I think I may get white
 
im really in 2 minds over the colour, was thinking of white, but im not keen at all on that sensor visible

I'm just going to try some white out and see if that helps because I REALLY like the white one now... at first I was disgusted, but I had a change of heart :D
 
Except from the fact that the picture you're showing only shows the bending test. It's something you'd find at quality control, not something you'd find in the production line ;)

Umm maybe, but if you've worked around engineering you do QC testing in 2 ways, as a blank i.e. without any holes, no detailing, nothing but the glass. But you also do a real test as it were the real world with all the styling, design and holes cut out

If they hadn't tested it with all the holes cut out, then the strength of the glass would obviously be increased as it is a single solid piece.
 
There are not holes in the glass. There are unpainted spots on the painted back of the glass. There is a big difference; holes, as some people have pointed out, would collect lint and allow water into the phone.
 
There are not holes in the glass. There are unpainted spots on the painted back of the glass. There is a big difference; holes, as some people have pointed out, would collect lint and allow water into the phone.

Sorry, I don't think this is correct... I think there is the white material (whatever it is that is part of the phone which does have the black holes in it with the sensor below the holes inside the phone. Then the glass is laid on top of "the white"... But no, no holes in the actual glass. Just my $.02. Also, there are plenty of other places for water to enter the phone, lol.


-Dale
 
The slits for the light sensor have nothing to do with the glass. The slits are in the metal frame (the part that is white or black) that sits just underneath the glass. My guess is that the glass on the black phone is tinted above the screen to hide that sensor... on the white phones the glass is obviously not tinted.
 
Umm maybe, but if you've worked around engineering you do QC testing in 2 ways, as a blank i.e. without any holes, no detailing, nothing but the glass. But you also do a real test as it were the real world with all the styling, design and holes cut out

If they hadn't tested it with all the holes cut out, then the strength of the glass would obviously be increased as it is a single solid piece.
I wasn't referring to that btw. The picture shows a machine testing the strength of the glass front piece by bending it. That's it. That doesn't say much about any holes and any cutting. Like you already explained it is quite possible Apple has been testing several different types of fronts. It's also quite possible they test the pieces, laser cut them and retest them.

The picture is actually a screengrab from the promotional film Apple made. It is very likely they're not using the real deal but stuff that normally get's thrown away (or recycled) because it didn't pass the qc checks. A lot of things are possible but in the end the picture says nothing about any holes and any cutting. It simply is the wrong picture.

on every single iphone, ipod, and even ipad the censers are behind the glass. the glass might be thinner there or something like that (not true just a example) but they are in fact behind the glass
Which would make more sense as it makes for a cleaner look and it protects the sensors from things like dust. However, they still look like holes and that's why people refer to them as holes.
 
Umm maybe, but if you've worked around engineering you do QC testing in 2 ways, as a blank i.e. without any holes, no detailing, nothing but the glass. But you also do a real test as it were the real world with all the styling, design and holes cut out

If they hadn't tested it with all the holes cut out, then the strength of the glass would obviously be increased as it is a single solid piece.

enjoy the fact that the glass they are testing is cut, has a speaker hole and a home button hole in the glass already

looks blank to me :rolleyes:
 
A small update: a lot of people already received their iPhone and quite a lot of reviews are online. We now have clear pictures of the front side of the black iPhone showing no grill like the white iPhone has. They white iPhone is the only one with the grill. No more questioning :)
 
The black one doesn't need a grille because the sensors are black. The grille is to make it less visible, so that you don't have an additional two (larger) dots above the earpiece.
 
We already knew that because it's something that is quite obvious ;) The question was whether Apple went for a universal look with the iPhone 4 (aka a grill on the black and white version) or not.
 
NOT holes...

I'm not sure anyone on this page actually KNOWS what the other is talking about. There are no physical holes in the glass on the iPhone 4, however, there ARE transparencies on the back of the glass (for the black model, the transparencies are tinted as not to be easily visible) so that the appropriate sensors may have visibility to light in order to work as needed. The same sensors are on the iPhone, iPhone 3G, 3GS and iPod Touch. The transparency that is being discussed on this page is the one in direct relation to ambient light in the room/place of use. This sensor measures the amount of incoming light and adjust the brightness of the display accordingly, it is located immediately above the earpiece.
 
I'm not sure anyone on this page actually KNOWS what the other is talking about. There are no physical holes in the glass on the iPhone 4, however, there ARE transparencies on the back of the glass (for the black model, the transparencies are tinted as not to be easily visible) so that the appropriate sensors may have visibility to light in order to work as needed. The same sensors are on the iPhone, iPhone 3G, 3GS and iPod Touch. The transparency that is being discussed on this page is the one in direct relation to ambient light in the room/place of use. This sensor measures the amount of incoming light and adjust the brightness of the display accordingly, it is located immediately above the earpiece.

Um the posts you just responded to are over a month old and happened before anyone had been hands on with the phone.
 
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