Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Who Can't Wait And Is Building A PC?
- Thread starter Rlnplehshalo
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I'm not sure I would've used those 2 cars as comparisons. On the other hand, the SUV does use a lot more gas, which could be equated to antivirus programs and other things that you need to run on windows.
I'm willing to plug them in separately. I'm just not willing to use windows everyday. ALthough fewer cables means less clutter to have to vacuum around. And you do make a good point about OS X versus Windows.Honestly I have to think that the overlap between people who are interested in buying an All-in-one with OS X and the people who are interested in buying components and a Windows license for a do-it-yourself would be extremely small ...
I mean, jeesh, if I'm not even willing to plug my monitor and computer into the wall separately, why would I want to route SATA and power cables through a tower case?
This is the best reason for building a PC over waiting for the iMac that I've seen yet. You're still a Windows user.
I'd say that the strongest reason for building a PC is that Apple *sucks* now and every single subsequent refresh after this next one will take longer, and longer, and longer, until iMac and Mac Pro are completely gone. And as they take longer and longer, no release days will be announced, they'll still treat desktops like Lady Gaga albums going for the flare and CNN.com article with the "surprise," than actually give a crap about professionals who need to invest in a desktop.
They should have had new iMacs ready RIGHT when Ivy Bridge came out. It is absolutely pitiful that they expect people to buy 2011 iMacs waiting for the 2012 refresh, and that Mac fans actually don't mind doing this and justify it in some roundabout denial way (aside from people buying cheap refurbs or getting great deals).
I hope I am wrong next week.
They should have had new iMacs ready RIGHT when Ivy Bridge came out. It is absolutely pitiful that they expect people to buy 2011 iMacs waiting for the 2012 refresh, and that Mac fans actually don't mind doing this and justify it in some roundabout denial way (aside from people buying cheap refurbs or getting great deals).
I hope I am wrong next week.
This might be a tad premature - like you said maybe Apple will release a new iMac next week. Saying this though I still feel a tad annoyed with Apple. I feel like I'm at the end of my phone contract - but the phone I want is six months away. Sure thats fine in that situation; we're all used to changing phones every year or so. However, computer updates should be a bit more easy.
I shouldn't have to wait for 4 or 5 months with a dying computer, with my only two (Apple) options being buy an overpriced outdated iMac or spend more money on a product I don't really want, namely a laptop.
It's brought things to my attention that I'd never paid too much attention too now that have irritated me about apple. They simply are far far to secretive and it's an annoying trait. No other computer company is like that. Intel lets people know about the development of their new chips, Nvedea and AMD keep people informed on the upcoming GPUs.
Also their is the possibility that Apple really is moving further and further towards being a mobile company. I think this is downright stupid but there are a few worrying signs. The imac delay yes but like i said this could be very premature. But on top of that OSX and iOS are slowly beginning to converge, and the laptops are getting thinner and less and less upgradeable.
I built my PC a couple of weeks ago....
ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe mobo
i7-3770K Ivy Bridge
ASUS GTX680 2GB (DirectCU II Top)
Antec 1200 case
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
Corsair Vengence DRAM 8 GB
Seasonic X750 PSU
Mushkin 120 GB SSD
Seagate 1.5TB 7200 drive
Dell 24" IPS monitor
Lite-On DVD RW
(I think I am missing something else, but...that's the gist)
Adding Blu-ray burner in the coming weeks. Otherwise, it's fast, quite and does everything I need it to do.
While Apple may or may not release new iMacs this month, I see them moving towards a mobile computing company in the very near future. I strongly believe the iMac and Mac Pro will be dead as product lines in the next few years. OS X will become iOS X as they continue to merge iOS and OS X. I could be wrong, of course, but it sure seems to be the direction they are heading.
ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe mobo
i7-3770K Ivy Bridge
ASUS GTX680 2GB (DirectCU II Top)
Antec 1200 case
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
Corsair Vengence DRAM 8 GB
Seasonic X750 PSU
Mushkin 120 GB SSD
Seagate 1.5TB 7200 drive
Dell 24" IPS monitor
Lite-On DVD RW
(I think I am missing something else, but...that's the gist)
Adding Blu-ray burner in the coming weeks.
Otherwise, it's fast, quite and does everything I need it to do.While Apple may or may not release new iMacs this month, I see them moving towards a mobile computing company in the very near future. I strongly believe the iMac and Mac Pro will be dead as product lines in the next few years. OS X will become iOS X as they continue to merge iOS and OS X. I could be wrong, of course, but it sure seems to be the direction they are heading.
Intel Core i5 3570K Processor 3.4 Quad Core with Intel HD 4000 Graphics
Gigabyte Intel Z77 LGA 1155 Dual LAN Dual UEFI BIOS ATX Motherboard GA-Z77X-UD5H
Antec Three Hundred Two Gaming Case, Black
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Power Supply
Corsair Vengeance Blue 16 GB DDR3 SDRAM Dual Channel Memory Kit
Western Digital Caviar Green 2 TB Desktop Hard Drive WD20EARX
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST
For a just few more dollars than a 4 GB Mac Mini with an external Superdrive and the necessary adapters I would need, I get a computer that's as expandable as a MacPro.
It's a bit larger than I'd like. My favorite Mac was the G4 tower.
It's running Windows 7 but it's spec'd to be a Hackintosh. I'll attempt it after the official release of ML.
UP AND RUNNING--with a Geekbench of 10538--try that with a MacMini!
Gigabyte Intel Z77 LGA 1155 Dual LAN Dual UEFI BIOS ATX Motherboard GA-Z77X-UD5H
Antec Three Hundred Two Gaming Case, Black
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Power Supply
Corsair Vengeance Blue 16 GB DDR3 SDRAM Dual Channel Memory Kit
Western Digital Caviar Green 2 TB Desktop Hard Drive WD20EARX
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST
For a just few more dollars than a 4 GB Mac Mini with an external Superdrive and the necessary adapters I would need, I get a computer that's as expandable as a MacPro.
It's a bit larger than I'd like. My favorite Mac was the G4 tower.
It's running Windows 7 but it's spec'd to be a Hackintosh. I'll attempt it after the official release of ML.
UP AND RUNNING--with a Geekbench of 10538--try that with a MacMini!
Last edited:
I'm not in this particular camp right now, but that's because my iMac is barely 1 year old (technically 2, but I bought it as a refurb for cheap from Apple). I have built PCs in the past, my most recent build only being about a month ago, so I wouldn't be against the idea. Even if I didn't want to build it myself, there are plenty of reputable boutique PC builders on the internet that don't overcharge for their services and offer their own warranties on the stuff they ship.
Agree. For me, it's black and white. You either want OS X or Windows. Or you want both and can't stand to lose OS X, in which case, you'll buy a Mac no matter what it takes (hackintoshes aside).
For people that are frustrated and talking about moving over to PC, then it seems to me you've really never wanted OS X in the first place and is not something you'll miss.
Just build your PC, talk about it in a PC/Windows forum and be happy. It baffles me as to why this incredibly small minority can't help but talk about PC building at Macrumors.com.
And do we honestly need a new thread about this every day?
Last edited:
All I was saying is that for most people switching from Mac to PC or vis versa is a big deal, you need new programs. Often your current files are not compatible and if you have a large music collection it can be a pain to move that.
I'm just thankful I have a good G5 (knock on wood) and it should see me through until Apple release the next iMac update... but will it be the last iMac as we know them?
Could Apple do something totally different in 2013? Maybe the rumored Apple TV, they'll add a DTV tuner and make a big deal about it even though PC AIO have had them for years. Or could it be something with touch and a new stand that allows the user to detach the screen and place it on the desktop for easy touch use? Imagine a 27" touch screen that uses wifi or bluetooth to connect to its base unit and the outside world
You mean like like the folks creating "When is the new iMac coming?" threads that seem to multiply by the hour?
On the flip side; Don't you have the option to NOT read such threads? Just curious, as when I log in I don't have to read the threads that I don't want to.
Honestly, you sound a lot like people bitching about people bitching.
Because with Thunderbolt Display you can actually use the rear ports with just one cable through the monitor, and make use another TB port as daisy chain when you have the peripherals.Now if Dell has TB, that would be a tough choice.
It might sounds fanboyish, but really.. No display out there can do what ATD does. It's a display, it's a Thunderbolt docks, and it has sexiest design in a monitor.
So, with Dell U2711 you'll need another usb plugged into your box, you don't have TB support. And PQ wise, to me Dell's color seems a bit duller because of bad antiglare coating.
ATD might be reflective and annoying for some people, but it does not effect the color reproduced by the screen.
You mean like like the folks creating "When is the new iMac coming?" threads that seem to multiply by the hour?
On the flip side; Don't you have the option to NOT read such threads? Just curious, as when I log in I don't have to read the threads that I don't want to.
Honestly, you sound a lot like people bitching about people bitching.
I agree. The more threads about iMacs in any way is a good thing - it's what's keep my hopes and spirit up while waiting. Don't like it - don't read or participate
I built my PC a couple of weeks ago....
ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe mobo
i7-3770K Ivy Bridge
ASUS GTX680 2GB (DirectCU II Top)
Antec 1200 case
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
Corsair Vengence DRAM 8 GB
Seasonic X750 PSU
Mushkin 120 GB SSD
Seagate 1.5TB 7200 drive
Dell 24" IPS monitor
Lite-On DVD RW
(I think I am missing something else, but...that's the gist)
Adding Blu-ray burner in the coming weeks.
While Apple may or may not release new iMacs this month, I see them moving towards a mobile computing company in the very near future. I strongly believe the iMac and Mac Pro will be dead as product lines in the next few years. OS X will become iOS X as they continue to merge iOS and OS X. I could be wrong, of course, but it sure seems to be the direction they are heading.
Sounds amazing, just wondering what the details of the monitor you have were? ie. model number, resolution and your own opinion if it's not too much to ask. I'm in the market for a suitable one once my PC is built.
I was referring to the constant new threads about building a PC, not about the iMac, which is what this forum's subject is about of course. So I'm not quite sure why you'd think I was complaining about the iMac being discussed in the iMac forum.
Anyway, how does talking about building a PC bring your spirits up about waiting for an iMac? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Just curious.
I could build a pc - I would in fact be better off financially and it could do all the stuff I need just like the iMac. But it does it in a very un-sexy way. I have decided that building a pc is less of an option to me than buying the current iMac - while none of them is very tempting.
For sure! I want to do it but it does seam quite complicated, messing around with the BIOS and boot settings. I've heard that you have to install Mac OS X first then windows which I would really not enjoy.
I wouldn't mind something like bootcamp but for windows and the other way around, proving Mac OS X.
Well for starters it might make him feel special being one of the few who famined and waited it out to get their hands on the new model. I highly doubt that but you never know
I don't see how it's an irrelevant topic because it's showing that people who arn't waiting the extended period of time for the new release and building a PC and maybe Apple will see this as a hint. Displaying that the once loyal iMac owner's/fans can't let Apple controll their computer update schedule. Note that this is just my opinion, and everybody has their own so let's not start anything
I love both OS X and Windows hence the reason I currently have bootcamp.
^ actually you can install windows first and then mac. It's a lot easier to handle though if you install them on separate drives though. i'm currently deciding between building a comp, hackintosh, or mac mini. Honestly, hackintoshes are a lot easier to build than they used to be and there are plenty of guides over at tonymacx86. i hate being indecisive
^ actually you can install windows first and then mac. It's a lot easier to handle though if you install them on separate drives though. i'm currently deciding between building a comp, hackintosh, or mac mini. Honestly, hackintoshes are a lot easier to build than they used to be and there are plenty of guides over at tonymacx86. i hate being indecisive
Well that was from one source, thanks for the heads up so would those methods have the boot selection on startup when holding down a key like on a mac? I've heard of chameleon and like it's interface, it looks a lot like the actual mac bootcamp selection when booting. I think that was the one where Mac OS X had to be installed first.
I'd love to give a hackintosh a shot but I would have windows on the computer first so I'm not sure if that complicates things. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Friend, Ive been a Pc user for years, so take my advice seriouslly
You dont want to RAID 5. You want to RAID 0.
In theroy RAID 5 will give you some backup, but nowadays it doesnt. Its not simple to repair a RAID 5. Firstly, you have to put back a similar drive and unless you keep a spare, that might be hard to find in the future. Secondly, the restoring process for 6TB of data takes so long, its likelly that another drive fails and you lose all your data. Thirdly, you lose 1 entire hard drive space in this config, while RAID 0 adds all your drive space. Moreover, RAID 0 is faster for reading and writing. And to conclude, external hard drive is so cheap now and so portable that this has become the best backup solution. If anything happens, simply take your external HD and plug it in to ANY computer (Macs included) and you have all your data again.
Use RAID 0 for performance and simplicity. Better 1 6TB than 3x 2TB drives. Get external hdd for backup. I recomend WD My passport, but any drive will work great.
----------
Oh, I would like to add the following:
Since you will be gaming, I totally recomend building a PC no matter what. Macs are not for gaming....I tried...
You can use your PC temporarily and then switch back to Mac next year when the Mac Pro line gets updated. BTW, Ive heard rumors of an iMac update for august/september and Mac Pro update early 2013.
But honestly, I recomend keeping your work data on the mac and waiting for an upgrade, and use your PC exclusevelly for gaming. You can also sell your MacPro and get a current Macbook (always great to have a mobile Mac) in adition to building a PC, and later on, get a superior Mac when it gets released
You dont want to RAID 5. You want to RAID 0.
In theroy RAID 5 will give you some backup, but nowadays it doesnt. Its not simple to repair a RAID 5. Firstly, you have to put back a similar drive and unless you keep a spare, that might be hard to find in the future. Secondly, the restoring process for 6TB of data takes so long, its likelly that another drive fails and you lose all your data. Thirdly, you lose 1 entire hard drive space in this config, while RAID 0 adds all your drive space. Moreover, RAID 0 is faster for reading and writing. And to conclude, external hard drive is so cheap now and so portable that this has become the best backup solution. If anything happens, simply take your external HD and plug it in to ANY computer (Macs included) and you have all your data again.
Use RAID 0 for performance and simplicity. Better 1 6TB than 3x 2TB drives. Get external hdd for backup. I recomend WD My passport, but any drive will work great.
----------
Oh, I would like to add the following:
Since you will be gaming, I totally recomend building a PC no matter what. Macs are not for gaming....I tried...
You can use your PC temporarily and then switch back to Mac next year when the Mac Pro line gets updated. BTW, Ive heard rumors of an iMac update for august/september and Mac Pro update early 2013.
But honestly, I recomend keeping your work data on the mac and waiting for an upgrade, and use your PC exclusevelly for gaming. You can also sell your MacPro and get a current Macbook (always great to have a mobile Mac) in adition to building a PC, and later on, get a superior Mac when it gets released
yeah you use chameleon for hackintoshes now a days. It's sort of like boot camp selection but you don't have to hold down the option key (forgot what it was
) to get it. It's simply a timer (you can tweak the settings as well as which OS boots automatically) on my hackintosh I have it set to auto-boot into osx. Yeah, gets kinda annoying when you want to share files between each OS. As of your specs, on tonymac there are a few builds with your setup so should be good to go but will have better support as ML has native support for ivy bridge and such. I'm still debating on what parts I want for my PC if I build one or go with a mac mini
either way it'll go along with a 8-disk raid setup (eventually have 8x3TB )I haven't seen that many new threads about building a PC...a couple for sure, but it does present options to those that are tired of waiting, or simply have to upgrade now. You'll notice that hackintoshes come up in every one of them. In my mind, that does make such threads relevant. I guess you could argue that perhaps someone from
sees such, but I doubt it. Even if they did I doubt they would care.You can build a PC and run OS X if you so desire (and really, you would end up with a much more powerful machine for a bit less $$). There really are some components/configurations that will literally allow you to pretty much install OS X and get on with it without much (if any) tweaking.
I really wanted a new iMac, but refused to pay top dollar for a machine that is well over a year old. I simply could not wait any longer, hence the PC. (BTW, I was a mac user for that last 6 years).
So, while I love OS X, and the style of the iMac I don't have any problem with Windows 7. It was always about the OS for me, less about the hardware. The hardware was just a means to get the OS, and honestly, I am not impressed with ML or the direction
is heading by integrating more of iOS into it. So, I could argue I didn't leave Apple as much as they left me.I think for me it's comforting reminder that folks *DO* have a choice and it makes the wait less frustrating. Every day I explore my options while I wait.
People also like validation, that it's ok to say enough is enough when it comes to these availability games Apple seems to like to play with its customers. I shouldn't be too hard on them yet I suppose, not until the end of the month anyway... If I was truly fed up I'd simply have voted Yes to this poll and stopped frequenting the forum completely.