Who Downloads iTunes Purchases

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by entropyfl, May 8, 2017.

  1. entropyfl macrumors regular

    Oct 12, 2009
    Hi Guys,

    Do you guys all download iTunes purchases for a back up once you've bought them or do you just leave them in the cloud?

    I ask because my iTunes is getting out of hand on the storage and I wondered how necessary it is to keep the download? I only do so at the moment because I worry about it being removed from the store but then I'm not sure if that could happen? I'm thinking if they fall out with a studio or content owner my purchases could get pulled.

    Just curious what you guys do.
  2. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

    T'hain Esh Kelch

    Aug 5, 2001
    I never download them. Why should i, since they are always available in the sky, and that being the newest version even? I think I have one or two applications that I can't anymore, and that's the only ones i keep.
  3. Alrescha macrumors 68020

    Jan 1, 2008
    My Mac automatically downloads all my iTunes purchases, guaranteeing that they will be available regardless of store changes or Internet connectivity problems. My bandwidth is such that I would prefer to download things once rather them stream them over and over again.

  4. hardon macrumors regular

    Aug 27, 2003
    UK Kent
    --- Post Merged, May 8, 2017 ---

    I always download and backup my iTunes content.

    Movies especially

    Once I have the file I then remove the DRM so I can also view the film on infuse.

    I use m4vgear for the removal

    I keep the origional iTunes stuff backed up and safe, just in case my drm free drive fails.
  5. ApfelKuchen macrumors 68030

    Aug 28, 2012
    Between the coasts
    I haven't bought much from iTunes, but what I do buy, I download to my main Mac. There's not enough to be seriously concerned about what I might lose if the items were removed from the store, but it also doesn't cost me much storage space. Most of my music is transferred from CD, and that needs to stay in the library in order to be available via iTunes Match or Apple Music.

    I'm using Apple Music now, so it's not necessary to download to protect/backup the library - if/when I end my subscription, the downloads would automatically delete anyway.
  6. idunn macrumors 6502

    Jan 12, 2008
    I download iTunes purchases.

    It would of course be simpler to ignore this, as if with halfway decent broadband they stream fine from Apple's servers. Why bother with the time, trouble and expense of local storage and all that entails in external hard drives, etc.? Besides, that purchased elsewhere, as in example Amazon Video, cannot be downloaded. So particularly if dealing with different vendors, why not just do it the easy way and live in the Cloud exclusively?

    Well, the first time the internet goes down or electricity out one is quickly informed of why not. The Cloud is a tenuous thing which can be revoked for a variety of reasons without a moment's notice. For that matter, if perchance a less than stellar internet connection at times (or peak hours) then expect lots of buffering whereas that local plays near instantly—as always.

    As well, if one's credit card tied to an iTunes account should suffer a hiccup for some reason, Apple can and will peremptorily not only prevent one from purchasing new content BUT also playing anything you've already bought and paid for. You'll be dead in the water until that little financial matter is resolved to their satisfaction.

    Which brings us to the vagaries and lifespans of corporations. Just how many do you know who have been in business for 400 years, even 100 years, 50? Yet chances are long before one's favorite vendor implodes it will have changed various policies to one's disfavor and possible detriment. With anything in the Cloud one is placing a bet on how long current conditions will last.

    In example, it is kind of Apple—if perhaps a major oversight—to in effect grant lifetime free server space for all the multi-GB of media one has purchased through them, somehow overlooking how much they like to charge for a fraction as much space for other uses. This munificence may change in time, or perhaps without notice tomorrow.

    Bottom line is that not in one's hand is not entirely owned. Or, put another way, possession is 9/10's of the law. If having paid good money for a favorite movie one really likes and doesn't want to lose, well . . .

    On the other hand, just how many terabytes of data does one want to deal with in downloading, filing away, backing up, etc.? Then also in considering necessary hardware to view it, as in encoding standards change, and that with Apple's DRM will require relevant hardware to use, unless that ripped out. But still, floppy discs anyone?

    Then, too, when is enough enough? Is SD okay, or 1080p the pinnacle of satisfaction. Or will that once fine in 1080p be viewed as now amiss when 4k, 8k or some other more the standard? 35mm film presents a lot of data possibilities.

    Maybe just download and save that one truly treasures. Or possibly the whole enchilada. In either event perhaps reflecting on just how long one intends to live, or how often one will be returning to any particular movie or TV series.

    But if the Cloud, then enjoy the ease and simplicity. Only never, ever trust it absolutely.
  7. 0007776 Suspended


    Jul 11, 2006
    I download them, but that is because I have caps on my internet each month so I don't want to pay the overages to stream movies. Instead I download them towards the end of the month if I have enough data left.
  8. hinesmj macrumors regular

    Nov 19, 2015
    New York
    I download stuff to my iPad and iPhone so my kids can watch in the car without eating up data.
  9. HobeSoundDarryl, May 9, 2017
    Last edited: May 9, 2017

    HobeSoundDarryl macrumors 604


    Feb 8, 2004
    Hobe Sound, FL (20 miles north of Palm Beach)
    Always download so that I control my purchase rather than some stranger(s) in charge of some distant server and/or other strangers with which they partner.

    In countless other threads on this site, we often refer to the latter strangers as "greedy" (focused on exploiting us consumers every chance they get) and yet with this "cloud" thinking, we blindly trust those same strangers to NOT exploit us.:rolleyes:

    Great big fat hard drives are dirt cheap. iTunes movies tend to be about 3-7GB in size. 2TB/5GB = 400 movies stored (2TB drives readily available for about $75 today). 4TB/5GB = 800 movies stored (4TB hard drive readily available for about $115 today). Buy a hard drive. If you fill it, buy another.

    If money is really tight, let iCloud be your backup to either hard drive. If money is not that tight, buy 2 hard drives and have a second backup that you store off site (iCloud becoming your third backup in that case).

    Both are valid concerns that do happen. Do some searches and you'll find it to be a regular aggravation for some who "trust the cloud."

    Not true. The Studios reserve the right to pull any of their content any time they want. Trusting the cloud is akin to trusting strangers to take care of your valuables. It's great if they do it but it's not even close to being the caretaker of your own media (in your possession). Most people learn the cloud lesson the hard way- when media they thought they "owned" is suddenly removed.
  10. Soko macrumors newbie


    Mar 25, 2016
    I've always downloaded to my iTunes Library on my iMac for a backup (8Tb WD MyStudio connected via Thunderbolt). My kids can connect with their iPhones or iPads, and transfer to their device, without having my account and their account intertwined.
  11. JeffPerrin macrumors 6502


    Jul 21, 2014
    In addition to the worries mentioned by the OP, I do like the idea of downloading to a home media drive/server to save for offline viewing.... but several years into going digital-only, I still haven't got around to it yet.

    Perhaps once Comcast starts implementing data caps in our area...
  12. LauraJean macrumors member


    Jan 7, 2015
    Denver, CO
    I download iTunes purchases to 2 MacBook Airs so I can enjoy them offline. I sync all music and all audiobooks to 2 iPod Touches and synch all books---oops-books are a separate app now-- to 2 iPad Minis. Movies are kept and viewed on the Macs.
  13. rolsskk macrumors 6502

    Sep 1, 2008
    Once you find out, it's too late.
  14. JackieInCo Suspended

    Jul 18, 2013
    I download what little music I buy anymore. Movies stay in the cloud and I only download TV shows seasons/series that I watch several times a year such as the Office, Sopranos and Breaking Bad. The rest stay in the cloud.
  15. Garsun macrumors regular


    Oct 20, 2009
    I download them.
    If a movie or TV show changes hands, say to a different distributor, that is no longer available for streaming but you can still watch it if you downloaded it.
    This is happened several times to content that I own.
  16. BlandUsername macrumors regular


    Jan 18, 2016
    In yer server room, fixing the tubes
    I download everything, Back up to multiple drives and machines at 2 locations and then backup to my cloud backup service. Just too much invested to even think of trusting anyone with my legally purchased data.
  17. entropyfl thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 12, 2009
    Cool, glad I'm not alone... The storage does feel pretty excessive as I'm now approaching 5TB which is a pain to back up that etc.

    This is a very good point! my internet weirdly seems to have an outage at least once a year! The only that bugs me with how this is handled is with authorisation. Sometimes it won't stream from desktop if it can't connect to authorise which is weird. I normally just up transferring to the laptop and then HDMI to the TV.
  18. HobeSoundDarryl macrumors 604


    Feb 8, 2004
    Hobe Sound, FL (20 miles north of Palm Beach)
    8TB hard drive about $200 right now. 2 of those if you want your own hard drive backup. Or if money is tight, one of those and trusting the cloud to be the backup to that one. The extra 3TB will hold about 600 more movies or a couple thousand 22 minute TV shows before you fill it up. Then buy another to store about 1600 more movies.

    Trusting upwards of 5TB to "the cloud" is just begging for disappointment. That's just too much video that can be yanked at any time.

    As to backing up, if you go with 2 hard drives, a tool like Chronosync is dazzling for this kind of thing. It does the work of comparing one disk to the other and quickly identifies just what has changed... then moves the new stuff to the backup.

    If you go this way (with the 8TB drive) consider using them for an occasional Time Machine backup too to back up your whole computer. Storing one drive off site almost guarantees you won't lose all of your media. If you do this Time Machine option too, you'll be able to get back nearly all of your Mac files should you lose your main Time Machine backup drive.
  19. Boyd01 macrumors 68040


    Feb 21, 2012
    New Jersey Pine Barrens
    I download them, but I probably only have 30 (in addition to over 1000 DVD's I ripped myself). Aside from the reasons others have given, I'm in a rural area and my only choice for internet is sub 1mbit/sec. Verizon is supposedly bringing us FIOS soon, but I will continue to download everything.
  20. Penquin79 macrumors member

    Jan 22, 2011
    Always download them and here is the best reason why. Should the current owner of your purchased movie sell their rights to someone else you will no longer be able to stream or download the movie. The movie owned by the previous owner will be removed from the iTunes Store and replaced with the new owners version. Read the fine print.
  21. fennerwl macrumors newbie

    Jun 2, 2017
    i never download them. maybe for viewing offline when on a trip, but i just have way too many movies.
  22. Badrottie Suspended


    May 8, 2011
    Los Angeles
    I never buy any iTunes movies, just rent it because I still have Netflix.
  23. Joined:
    Jun 28, 2017
    I've been buying iTunes movies since 2010 and not one problem. I no longer download them to my MacBook due to running out of storage space.
    I'm thinking that Apple's focus on the iCloud for film etc is pretty stable. I have a very unusual example to show...
    In 2010, I bought 'Meet Joe Black' in SD. It wasn't available in HD at the time (it was from 2014).
    Anyway, iTunes discontinued the SD version six months ago and only sell the film in HD now. So you would think that I wouldn't be able to download or stream it again right? Well, no...
    1. I can still download the film in SD whenever I want to
    And here's the interesting factor...
    If i stream it from the iCloud using my MacBook OR Apple TV, Apple are letting me watch it in HD now instead of SD. The picture quality is pretty much night and day!
    Isn't that bizarre? A good sign I say!
  24. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth

    haha... in the sky,,, I gotta remember that one :D

    There is also no point in downloading then unless u want to view without internet connection anyway since they expire after watching then 24 or 72 hours deepening on which which store country u accessed or 30 days if u havan't watched yet..

    Any longer than that i would download
  25. TrackZ macrumors member

    Apr 16, 2010
    If you look at the encode dates of the downloaded files, it seems that Apple does do encoding improvements on the media every so often. If you downloaded years ago, you no longer have the latest (and ideally best) version of the file. Thing is you never know when Apple re-encodes, so in that sense downloading is kind of pointless. You're better often consuming the active stream when you watch the media to make sure you're getting the latest version.

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