Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[richard13]

When I was in college in the late 90’s I remember paying $0.87 per gallon. Back then, you could fill a 20 gallon tank with $20 and get change back. At the time I drove a ‘79 MB 450 SLC (v8 that was thirsty).

There is no way to say the prices are even close to the same in the past 40 years.

Sure, that's possible. The price of gas has gone up and down over the years and it's different by area. In fact, I remember when I was in college in '86 in FL paying something like $0.85 a gallon at one specific station. That said, we were paying $2/gal in NY a few years earlier.

Common place is probably the last 20 years.

 

[I7guy]

When I was in college in the late 90’s I remember paying $0.87 per gallon. Back then, you could fill a 20 gallon tank with $20 and get change back. At the time I drove a ‘79 MB 450 SLC (v8 that was thirsty).

There is no way to say the prices are even close to the same in the past 40 years.

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I grew up on LI. On the corner of newbridge and old country road were four gas stations price was .25 gallon. This was in 1969 ish.

 

[JamesMay82]

I’d love one for the tech but my 2004 ford ranger 2.5 diesel is greener than an electric car so it seems silly to upgrade.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I’d love one for the tech but my 2004 ford ranger 2.5 diesel is greener than an electric car so it seems silly to upgrade.

It is? How do you work that out then?

 

[jz0309]

I’d love one for the tech but my 2004 ford ranger 2.5 diesel is greener than an electric car so it seems silly to upgrade.

A 24 year old Diesel "greener" than an EV, really? Well, must be true, as it's posted in the internet ...

 

[JT2002TJ]

I grew up on LI. On the corner of newbridge and old country road were four gas stations price was .25 gallon. This was in 1969 ish.

Hicksville!!!! I live 2 miles from that intersection…

 

[JamesMay82]

A 24 year old Diesel "greener" than an EV, really? Well, must be true, as it's posted in the internet ...

Ha with a few caveats of course.

I’m saying usage and lifespan matter. For a work truck/car that already exists, extending its life can be more sustainable than buying new.

 

[avro707]

VW ID.Polo production interior revealed. No exterior views yet, they are not ready to unveil that yet.

I'm putting the other German review (Jessica Thön and Jan Weizenecker) there as they are also very methodical. She is less than 170cm tall so factor that in when seeing the rear seat room.

This is pretty much perfect for me. The car on display is a hand built prototype.

One of the instrument display schemes is a recreation from a classic Golf. Real buttons on the steering wheel, yay! I also like the more subtle ambient lighting. The seat trims look great, the dash trims with fabric look quite expensive. Only the glass roof would be a pass since I'm in a hot climate.

The sliders for temperature are still there but thankfully supplemented by real switches, I think those slider controls were quite unloved. I don't see what else you could ask for, it has just about everything covered especially given it is a small car.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Ha with a few caveats of course.

I’m saying usage and lifespan matter. For a work truck/car that already exists, extending its life can be more sustainable than buying new.

For a new ICE car yes. But the EV will be carbon neutral after the first 10,000-30,000 miles. Then every mile after that is better.

 

[adrianlondon]

VW ID.Polo production interior revealed. No exterior views yet, they are not ready to unveil that yet.

As is usual for me, despite not being in the market for a (new or old) car, I watched the first 15 seconds of the first video anyway.

In those 15 seconds, pretty much all I heard was that they're going back to physical buttons everywhere. I'm so happy to hear that!

At some point in my life, I may end up being a car owner again. As someone who was taught to keep their eyes on the road and not fiddle with the radio, and who had to pull over in a hire car in order to work out how to get the aircon working, I want physical buttons.

 

[Apple fanboy]

As is usual for me, despite not being in the market for a (new or old) car, I watched the first 15 seconds of the first video anyway.

In those 15 seconds, pretty much all I heard was that they're going back to physical buttons everywhere. I'm so happy to hear that!

At some point in my life, I may end up being a car owner again. As someone who was taught to keep their eyes on the road and not fiddle with the radio, and who had to pull over in a hire car in order to work out how to get the aircon working, I want physical buttons.

100%. A big knob that has red on the right and blue on the left. Really is the most simple way to regulate a car temperature in a moving car.

 

[diamond.g]

I wonder how physical buttons would mesh with software defined vehicles.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I wonder how physical buttons would mesh with software defined vehicles.

Easy. They do with phones, computers and other devices.

 

[diggy33]

When I was in college in the late 90’s I remember paying $0.87 per gallon. Back then, you could fill a 20 gallon tank with $20 and get change back. At the time I drove a ‘79 MB 450 SLC (v8 that was thirsty).

There is no way to say the prices are even close to the same in the past 40 years.

I graduated high school in '94 and bought a Chevy Berretta, brand new. Thing had an 11-gallon tank and I could fill up for less than $10. I slowly watched that number tick up to $15, then $20.

 

[SalisburySam]

I graduated high school in '94 and bought a Chevy Berretta, brand new. Thing had an 11-gallon tank and I could fill up for less than $10. I slowly watched that number tick up to $15, then $20.

Earlier in life I owned a 1968 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham with its seemingly 4000-gallon (actually 26-gallon) fuel tank. A fill from “E” with probably 1-1½ gallons left was about $7.50 (premium leaded you know). That about $70 in 2025 money.

We don’t discuss that vehicle’s fuel consumption in polite company.

 

[dmr727]

Wife and I moved to LI

Hicksville!!!! I live 2 miles from that intersection…

Heh - I just hit up the Costco in Westbury Plaza. Wife and I moved to Port Washington a little over a year ago.

 

[diamond.g]

Easy. They do with phones, computers and other devices.

I mean, what button would you press to keep your climate on when you leave your car for you puppy/cat? What button do you press to look at the Dashcam clip your car recorded while you are away?

EDIT: I guess I understand the want for buttons, but most things that can be automated really should be. In my wife's Passport there are buttons for the climate, but I just hit auto and let the car do it's own thing, same in my own car. The biggest difference is I like to leave my climate on in my car while out and about when really hot or really cold, and no other car so far really offers that as an option.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I mean, what button would you press to keep your climate on when you leave your car for you puppy/cat? What button do you press to look at the Dashcam clip your car recorded while you are away?

EDIT: I guess I understand the want for buttons, but most things that can be automated really should be. In my wife's Passport there are buttons for the climate, but I just hit auto and let the car do it's own thing, same in my own car. The biggest difference is I like to leave my climate on in my car while out and about when really hot or really cold, and no other car so far really offers that as an option.

Mine does. Just either set a departure time for the time you are leaving or press the diamond button on the car key as you leave. I’m sure plenty of other EV’s do that as well.

 

[diamond.g]

Mine does. Just either set a departure time for the time you are leaving or press the diamond button on the car key as you leave. I’m sure plenty of other EV’s do that as well.

out of curiosity, how long does your climate stay on for when pressing the diamond button on your fob?

 

[Apple fanboy]

out of curiosity, how long does your climate stay on for when pressing the diamond button on your fob?

Indefinitely. Probably would switch off when the battery drops to a certain %.

 

[JT2002TJ]

I mean, what button would you press to keep your climate on when you leave your car for you puppy/cat? What button do you press to look at the Dashcam clip your car recorded while you are away?

EDIT: I guess I understand the want for buttons, but most things that can be automated really should be. In my wife's Passport there are buttons for the climate, but I just hit auto and let the car do it's own thing, same in my own car. The biggest difference is I like to leave my climate on in my car while out and about when really hot or really cold, and no other car so far really offers that as an option.

I think the necessity of a physical button is a lack of good UI automation. The only buttons I press now are switching streaming SXM favorites, which I’m not sure how one could manage via physical buttons (10 different sources with basically unlimited favorites for each of them).

It’s great to have buttons, but if the system manages the controls for you, the buttons just sit unused…

I haven’t touched the temp setting on either of my Teslas in 3 years. My cloud based profile sets the entire UI to my preferred settings before entry. Since it is cloud based, all the settings carry over regardless of if it is my wife or me driving either vehicle.

Another one, why does an EV need a Start/Stop button. There’s no engine to start, another wasted physical button that legacy automakers have carried over…

 

[Apple fanboy]

I think the necessity of a physical button is a lack of good UI automation. The only buttons I press now are switching streaming SXM favorites, which I’m not sure how one could manage via physical buttons (10 different sources with basically unlimited favorites for each of them).

It’s great to have buttons, but if the system manages the controls for you, the buttons just sit unused…

I haven’t touched the temp setting on either of my Teslas in 3 years. My cloud based profile sets the entire UI to my preferred settings before entry. Since it is cloud based, all the settings carry over regardless of if it is my wife or me driving either vehicle.

Another one, why does an EV need a Start/Stop button. There’s no engine to start, another wasted physical button that legacy automakers have carried over…

Having spent quite a bit of time in the US this doesn’t surprise me.
You basically have a temperature set in your car/house/office and live your life like that (probably due to the ridiculously low prices you pay for energy compared to other places). So as far as you are concerned unless you are outside, it’s always 20 degrees Celsius.

But here it’s very different. Less than 5% of houses have AC in the UK. So we might fluctuate from 30+ in the summer, so 15 in winter (which is what it is in my house right now.

So where as you would rarely adjust your temperature, most people do.

But I always enjoy having physical buttons to set my heated seat, change if I want warm air on my screen or feet.
Physical buttons for my radio, maps, cruise control, turn indicators and calling Mrs AFB when I’m returning home.

I’m glad manufacturers are going back to physical buttons. They should be made law for certain functions in my opinion.

 

[jz0309]

I think the necessity of a physical button is a lack of good UI automation. The only buttons I press now are switching streaming SXM favorites, which I’m not sure how one could manage via physical buttons (10 different sources with basically unlimited favorites for each of them).

It’s great to have buttons, but if the system manages the controls for you, the buttons just sit unused…

I haven’t touched the temp setting on either of my Teslas in 3 years. My cloud based profile sets the entire UI to my preferred settings before entry. Since it is cloud based, all the settings carry over regardless of if it is my wife or me driving either vehicle.

Another one, why does an EV need a Start/Stop button. There’s no engine to start, another wasted physical button that legacy automakers have carried over…

Well, I for one have the climate off most of the time, only on in very hot or cold or when in the freeway, I prefer open/cracked windows, thus want a button to turn climate on/off and adjust temp. Same for heated seats, same for wipers, volume control and and and ... so we are all different and it's good to have choices.
As for an On/Off button, well, who decides when to turn on/off, lock the doors etc? Is 10 sec the right timing? 30 sec? For me, having a fob in my pocket, pressing Start before putting on my seatbelt and sunglasses is not really an inconvenience, it's part of the procedure. I know it has been introduced to a few other EVs so it's probably a question of time, but certainly would not be a "must have" for me

 

[JT2002TJ]

Having spent quite a bit of time in the US this doesn’t surprise me.
You basically have a temperature set in your car/house/office and live your life like that (probably due to the ridiculously low prices you pay for energy compared to other places). So as far as you are concerned unless you are outside, it’s always 20 degrees Celsius.

But here it’s very different. Less than 5% of houses have AC in the UK. So we might fluctuate from 30+ in the summer, so 15 in winter (which is what it is in my house right now.

So where as you would rarely adjust your temperature, most people do.

But I always enjoy having physical buttons to set my heated seat, change if I want warm air on my screen or feet.
Physical buttons for my radio, maps, cruise control, turn indicators and calling Mrs AFB when I’m returning home.

I’m glad manufacturers are going back to physical buttons. They should be made law for certain functions in my opinion.

I live in NY, I would say most NY’ers do not have AC (most by number of dwellings with vs without across the full state). Most people in my area have window units placed during the summer and removed during the winter). Yesterday the low was 20 degrees F (-6 degrees C) and during the summer we consistently have temperatures in the 90’s F (32+ degrees F). North East states in the US are not like Midwest (much newer homes), South, or West. A lot of our houses are old (by US standards). For example, my house was built in the 1950’s, while houses in Texas are typically 1980’s+ and will have central AC.

We do have much lower energy costs.

My main problem with the legacy automakers return to physical buttons is, they never spent the time perfecting their UI and the return will still give them no reason to do this. It is amazing how a good UI makes your understand how good your driving experience can be. It is like having a personal assistant with you at all times. Companies like Rivian/Tesla have really cornered this UI market. These great features were typically reserved for the high end luxury vehicles (7-series, S-class,…), but now via software can be part of everyone’s daily experience.

A good example of a well thought out UI feature is camera based indicator canceling. I haven’t turned off an indicator in 3 years. I also don’t have to reactivate the indicator, it is on, and stays on until I change lanes/turn and have settled into my lane. Something so simple, that just makes life easy.

 

[jz0309]

I mean, what button would you press to keep your climate on when you leave your car for you puppy/cat? What button do you press to look at the Dashcam clip your car recorded while you are away?

EDIT: I guess I understand the want for buttons, but most things that can be automated really should be. In my wife's Passport there are buttons for the climate, but I just hit auto and let the car do it's own thing, same in my own car. The biggest difference is I like to leave my climate on in my car while out and about when really hot or really cold, and no other car so far really offers that as an option.

When I'm "out and about", when it is really hot I use the app to turn climate on about 5 min or so before returning to the car, sometimes I might not return for an hour or 2 and leaving the climate on for that long seems wasteful. And sure, I've forgotten to turn the climate on before I return to the car, but one learns