Who honestly intends to keep their AVP?

[Sheepish-Lord]

Seeing how this is a limited and expensive new tech I’m curious how many people who actually do get a pre-order intend to keep it or will knowingly return it (e.g. YouTubers)…

If you’re a ‘maybe’ then explain what it would take for you to keep it.

 

[jigzaw]

Well, I'm still slightly on the fence but am leaning towards getting it. I'm kind of hoping I can wait for some reviews and real-world reports on this forum and still get one in a reasonable time... though my eagerness could get the better of me in a couple days.

If I do buy, my intention would be to keep it. I don't want to waste my time and abuse the return policy. That said if I do get it and I'm seriously disappointed or have major buyer's remorse, then yes I'd return it.

My other hesitation is my glasses prescription is out of date so I kind of want to see what this Zeiss thing is about and whether it's worth ordering the AVP and deal with corrective lenses later once I've gone back to the eye doctor for a new prescription.

 

[Basic75]

Keep it? I don't intend on getting it.

 

[subjonas]

I don't buy anything without a more than 50% intention of keeping it, but usually 100%. Any less than 50% is abusing return policies in my opinion. With VP, I'm not there yet. I need more info after it's released.

 

[Lobwedgephil]

If I buy it, will fully intend on keeping it.

 

[jclardy]

Definitely keeping. Especially if it gets the minigolf game from the Quest, and Eleven Table Tennis (Maybe they could detect an actual ping pong racket visually...)

I'm mainly planning on trying it out for working at my desk in place of a monitor, on my mac. And the entertainment features are all a bonus.

 

[3goldens]

50/50!

 

[vengapat9]

I’m certainly open to keeping it but it’s going to have to provide enough use in my life to warrant a 4k price tag.

 

[krspkbl]

If I was dropping that kind of silly money I'd be keeping it, using it for as long as possible, babying it every single second, and then putting it on display for the rest of my life.

I’m certainly open to keeping it but it’s going to have to provide enough use in my life to warrant a 4k price tag.

You bought it?

 

[BradWI]

I ordered... several. If there's profit to be made all but one will be sold and the one I keep will be paid for by selling the others.

If the market isn't there, I'll play around with one for a week or two and then return them all. Zero risk.

 

[4sallypat]

Will keep it if it provides value to me and that's subjective of course.

If it's like what others are saying - 2 iPads joined for the face - I may skip and return it.

Reason: I have 2 iPads and NEVER use them - guess I am not the young hip crowd.

 

[Macalway]

I think most people 'should not know' if their going to keep it. Especially something like this.

But buying something with the intention of returning it, because you don't have the money, is a form of entitlement that lowlifes sometimes develop. Low entitlement. Funny.

 

[richard371]

I have very high expectations. If I'm not totally blown away it's going back. Im hoping the reviews come out before it arrives. That will give me a good idea if ill cancel or not. I hate trying and returning stuff.

 

[adamjackson]

I plan on returning mine but fully hope that it's a compelling enough 1.0 that this is not a consideration.

1. I bought the first 300Mhz G3 iBook in 1999
2. I bought the first G4 iBook in 2001 along with OS X 10.1
3. I bought the first iPod in 2001
4. ...the first LCD iMac in 2002
5. ...the first iPhone in 2007
6. The first iPad in 2010
7. The First Apple Watch in 2015 (went with the Space Black and still use the link bracelet today on my Ultra

I'd be much richer had I skipped every gen one device and spent an equivalent amount of cash on AAPL instead but I've really enjoyed the 1.0s...not in retrospect, most of them sucked but more romantically like it was great to wait in line, have fellow geeks at work or at conferences say "Is that the new...?" when I was using my watch, iPad, iPhone or iPod. It's been fun to enjoy and experience the platform grow and mature and play with new paradigms of computing.

With that said, this is a $4,000 device not a $500 (Phone, iPod, iPad and Watch) and it's also not a $999 iBook. It's a $4,000 headset and I'm old now, busy with kids and a full time job. I still have everything Apple makes but all of it has a productive benefit in my life. AirPods go with me on runs and hikes, the watch keeps me connected when working on the yard or walking the dog, the MacBook Pro makes me money, the iPad w/ cellular is always with me for long form communication and internet research or using GTD apps like Things and Fantastical.

The Apple Vision Pro is, right now, a big mirroring device for my Mac and a large television. I'm one of those weirdos who never took up watching video on anything but my 75" television. I had the first AppleTV and before that, a home theater PC. I have 3,000 movies in Plex. I watch YouTube and Plex on my TV. I don't have YouTube on any of my devices. I have surround sound and my wife and I watch a movie every night together. To come home after a long day, throw on a headset and watch Die Hard all alone in my office sounds effing stupid. My wife will just be like "am I single now?" Movies all day on Sunday is our thing. Sitting alone with a VR headset...IDK. We play multiplayer games on the Switch and Xbox. To play that all alone sounds stupid. FaceTime with a fake version of me...sounds dumb. Going from two huge screens to just one (MacBook mirroring) sounds like a step back.

I'm pretty bearish on Apple Vision Pro 1.0. Without a killer use case that unlocks a new paradigm of productivity and creativity for me, I'll be returning the first one within the 14 day window. If it was $1,000, I'd save it for airplanes and road trips but for $4,000, I'm incredibly skeptical that it's going to provide me that much value. Apple Vision Pro 2 or 3 are going to be far more mature with a few killer apps and offer me a Macintosh and iPad experience that exceeds what I have today is going to be very compelling and I look forward to it.

Infinite timeline, my kid is going to love it when she's a teenager (in 13 years). My wife is going to love decorating our home, making meals while following step by step videos overlayed over her reality, we'll have a house full of them and can watch TV alone together each with our own 1:1 field of view big screen and Mac apps no longer have screens...they're just windows and I can move infinite Mac windows all around me for super productivity. It's going to be amazing. I don't think the 1.0 will do that but I ordered one for 2/2 delivery and I'm going to hope I'm wrong.

 

[supergt]

I have very high expectations. If I'm not totally blown away it's going back. Im hoping the reviews come out before it arrives. That will give me a good idea if ill cancel or not. I hate trying and returning stuff.

The fact that there were no comprehensive reviews allowed before the pre order and merely “hands (or eyes?) on” makes me extremely skeptical. That said I don’t really expect anything beyond what was described at the unveiling: too expensive, too heavy, too little battery, not enough practical uses, amazingly futuristic.

 

[4sallypat]

The fact that there were no comprehensive reviews allowed before the pre order and merely “hands (or eyes?) on” makes me extremely skeptical. That said I don’t really expect anything beyond what was described at the unveiling: too expensive, too heavy, too little battery, not enough practical uses, amazingly futuristic.

My thoughts exactly !

 

[mrmister]

I have surround sound and my wife and I watch a movie every night together. To come home after a long day, throw on a headset and watch Die Hard all alone in my office sounds effing stupid. My wife will just be like "am I single now?" Movies all day on Sunday is our thing. Sitting alone with a VR headset...IDK. We play multiplayer games on the Switch and Xbox. To play that all alone sounds stupid. FaceTime with a fake version of me...sounds dumb. Going from two huge screens to just one (MacBook mirroring) sounds like a step back.

They really really need to solve for this, and I don't know if they can until it's a pair of glasses you can just wear with all day battery life.

 

[richard371]

The embargo’s will prob be lifted for the reviews hopefully a few days before it arrives. If there is any real complaints it goes back.

 

[tacoshell]

It will have to be better than the Oculus Quest 1, the only one with OLED screens. Seems easy, but no subsequent meta headset, including the pro, has been better and all have gone back after a week.

 

[spiderman0616]

I'm buying, keeping, and using mine. I have felt that tech like this has been the missing piece of the puzzle since I was a kid. I can already predict from the heavy use my PSVR got (Until I ran out of stuff I wanted to play) that I'm going to use this device a lot during the workday and that it's going to replace my "iPhone on the nightstand" solution I use at night for TV most of the time.

 

[Itinj24]

Fully plan on keeping mine unless it completely sucks. I’ll factor its potential into the equation too but this is too expensive to keep if I’m not completely satisfied. If you’re going to bring a product into the market and charge this much, it better be worth the price of admission.

 

[Itinj24]

The fact that there were no comprehensive reviews allowed before the pre order and merely “hands (or eyes?) on” makes me extremely skeptical. That said I don’t really expect anything beyond what was described at the unveiling: too expensive, too heavy, too little battery, not enough practical uses, amazingly futuristic.

I’m hoping this was just a marketing strategy meant to build anticipation and excitement.

Could either way. Amazing or awful. We shall see…

 

[jigzaw]

To come home after a long day, throw on a headset and watch Die Hard all alone in my office sounds effing stupid. My wife will just be like "am I single now?" Movies all day on Sunday is our thing. Sitting alone with a VR headset...IDK. We play multiplayer games on the Switch and Xbox. To play that all alone sounds stupid. FaceTime with a fake version of me...sounds dumb. Going from two huge screens to just one (MacBook mirroring) sounds like a step back.

I do hear that. I live alone so I can see myself playing with it, but if I had a wife and kids I doubt I'd be buying it right now. The FaceTime thing doesn't seem that great to me unless the person I'm talking to is also on it, but then we're a couple of CGI avatars which kind of... isn't really what FaceTime is about. Granted if I'm on the Vision Pro and can look at a close up blown-up version of whoever I'm talking to who's on their phone, that does seem cool, just not for them, haha. I'm also a little concerned about the Mac use, because when I pre-ordered I was under the impression that it could act as an ADDITIONAL monitor with my Mac and not just a mirror.

That said, mine arrives on Feb 2 unless I get cold feet and cancel first. I really love the idea behind it and it looks so cool, so it's truly only the price that gives me concerns that I might chicken out and cancel or wind up returning it. If it was $1500, I'd have zero doubt about keeping it to play with. But at the current price, I will be using it in the first days with the thought of "Do I REALLY want to keep this?"

I am going into it good-faith, though, and I do want to love it. I'd be a little embarrassed returning it and don't like the thought of abusing the policy. If I love it and can see myself using it at least 3-4 times per week, or especially if I want to dive into the 3D filmmaking aspect of it once I upgrade my phone this year (going from a 13 Pro to a 16 Pro which will be able to shoot "spatial" video), then it might be worth it.

I'm a TV assistant editor and occasionally make a short film or edit indie short films for friends and I've always been fascinated by the 3D format though I felt it often wasn't used very well during it's heyday... If headsets like this really take off, it could be a fun format to make little movies that tell stories in a more personal way that really use the 3D well instead of as just a post-production tack-on like in the 2010's.

 

[tobyringle69]

I think all those individuals who have posted their VP's on eBay may be in for a big surprise. The in-store pick up is still readily available within a week or 2 of launch, and people from overseas can't even access the App Store. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[spiderman0616]

I am never in my life going to understand people who would order something like this and then come here to complain about how it's not for them and they're returning it. What's sillier--buying something this expensive sight unseen and then returning it just to say you did it, or buying something this expensive and then convincing yourself during the wait for it to arrive that it will "suck" so you can then feel better about returning it and not spending the money after all.

I honestly don't get it--what is the point of this charade every time a new Apple product comes out? If it's not for you why not just skip it and go about your business? Even Tim Cook himself admitted this gen 1 version of this product has priced a lot of people out. So be it. Now none of you have to feel left out. Can we stop this now?