For the 4, I got in line at 6:15 and was out before 10 (I did the reservation so it went pretty quick). For the 5, I was in line around 6:30 (probably 100 or so people ahead of me) and got out around 11. I'll be waiting in line again, but I plan to get there around 5 to get a crack at being further up. I'm fortunate that both of the Apple stores here are in malls so we have to play by the mall's rules and no one can line up, say, a week ahead of time.