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Anyone? If there were ever a reason to go Android, I’d opt for Google, so I’m interested in the views of those who just own Google hardware (Pixel, Pixel Buds, Nest/Hub, Chromecast, Android Auto etc.)

How do they all get along?

If anyone can compare a complete Google ecosystem to that of IOS, it’d also be appreciated.

I’d imagine there‘d be no competition in regards to operating all your devices via Google Assistant? This is a major drawcard for me, especially since Apple isn’t showing any signs of improving Siri...I’m always looking to control my mobile devices/ear buds/smart speakers/car interface with voice & after using both GA & Siri over the years, I’m so much more appreciative of the former, at home, on the go & in the car. I almost rate it up there with the synergy you get with IOS hardware.

& with their Pixel 5 finally looking to be a decent value & performing device within modern chassis, Google seem to be bringing everything together.

So how far off are Google, as an exclusive ecosystem?
 
I can't comment on the ecosystem itself because I've never used Android, but one advantage you'll have with Apple is privacy. Google is primarily in the business of collecting and selling data. I used to work in the advertisement industry and even then it was absolutely insane how much information was being collected. I haven't followed the news on them but as recently as 2019 they were paying out massive settlements to do away with lawsuits related to abhorrent privacy violations.

That alone kept me away from Google. All of Google, inducing their search engine.
 
Yep, security has to be a concern, though I was hoping to get a user experience without factoring that in at this stage. Appreciate the input.
 
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While I have flirted with it on a few different occasions over the years, I’ve never gone ENTIRELY Google only because there are a few holes in the ecosystem, specifically in regards to smartwatches, tablets and desktop OS (though desktop OS is the least problematic since Google plays well with Mac).

At one point I was using a Pixel phone, Pixelbook, Nvidia Shield, Google Home Max and Google Home devices, a JBL Smart Speaker (essentially a Google Home), Chromecasts (video and audio), Google Wifi and Samsung Galaxy buds. There are certainly similar ecosystem advantages to going all Apple but not quite at the same level. Where it specifically fell short for me personally is Android TV (far less support amongst devs vs. Amazon, Apple and Roku), smartwatches (Wear OS is the red-headed step child for Google), tablets (’nuff said), messaging (heavy Apple Messages user here) and centralized smart home control. This was about 1 1/2-2 years ago and since then Android TV has improved and Google had made great strides replicating Apple’s Home app in their respective version but smartwatch and tablet support is as bad as it’s every been. It’s also impossible to replicate Apple Messages here in the US where a tiny portion of my contacts use anything like WhatsApp.

I still use a lot of Google devices and services (Android TV built into my newest Sony TV, Google Home Max/JBL smart speaker, Chromecasts and Pixel 4XL as my secondary phone) and if I ever chose to ditch Apple entirely, I’d lean heavily on the Google ecosystem but it’s still not at the same level as Apple’s.
 
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I tried last year making the jump to their world via the Google Pixel phone, hearing it was one of the best in providing a true Google experience.

In short: hated the entire experience, felt unsafe & wasn’t for me. I lasted a month & returned to the safety of Apple.

While ppls info on either platform may not be totally safe, the Apple fence just feels more secure.

What is laughable IMO is ppl that absolutely love the free Google Photos storage. Since when is anything “free”...? Google obviously is getting something from each user in just that one application....viewing their pics without the users knowledge & using for target marketing perhaps....? No thanks.

For some they love it but I will never go back.
 
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Honestly, if your looking for the all in on android experience, Samsung is a better bet over Google. Much better hardware, good software, better peripheral devices (watch, tablet, buds, etc.). Samsung are essentially the Apple of android and the only premium android experience at this point.
 
Honestly, if your looking for the all in on android experience, Samsung is a better bet over Google. Much better hardware, good software, better peripheral devices (watch, tablet, buds, etc.). Samsung are essentially the Apple of android and the only premium android experience at this point.
This is spot-on. As someone has tried virtually everything, Samsung is the only “ecosystem“-style experience in the Android world. They even have close tie-ins with Microsoft, meaning their devices sync well with Windows PCs. I’d also argue the best tablet to pair with Android is a Surface device. Otherwise, just get an iPad even if you have no other Apple devices.
 
Just to echo others, if you want to replicate an “ecosystem” on Android, the choice is Samsung. With Microsoft working closely with Samsung, the integration with Windows PC is a lot better on Samsung devices. Also, Samsung gallery can sync directly with OneDrive.

Only go with Google if you’re using Chromebook.
 
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I can offer some insight here as I've flip flopped between Apple and Google over the years, I have a thread here talking a lot about it - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/flip-flopping-between-macos-and-windows.2212216/

In short, the Google ecosystem is really good, better in some ways than what Apple offer. Let me break it down for you.

Whatever PC you decide to run, you'll have full access to Google services as they were designed from the ground up to be web apps. Compared to Apple who seem to have built their iCloud app versions as an afterthought.

iMessage is probably one of the biggest sticking points for many, more so in the US. In Europe (and UK where I live) WhatsApp completely dominates the messaging space. You can install and run WhatsApp on the web and desktop which is very nice to have. Again, this may not be viable in the US if you live predominately within an iMessage world.

My home is Google and it works so well, I genuinely find it an essential tool. Nest Hello at the front door rings my many Nest Mini, Nest Home Hub and Sonos speakers announcing someone at the front door. I have a Mini in my log cabin home gym which allows me to stay connected to the home, we use the broadcast feature daily as an intercom. "Hey Google, Broadcast message xyz" and it records my spoken message and plays back in every room in my house. My wife runs a home salon and uses the Nest Home Hub with the screen to speak to clients at the front door, especially important during covid. It all works so seamlessly.

The ecosystem of devices you can easily add to Google Home is vast, I've bought some cheap Wifi plugs from Amazon and now I can ask "Hey Google, turn on the Log Cabin Heater" for example. Google Assistants voice match is exceptionally good allowing me and my wife to ask any of the devices to add something to our calendar, reminders, play our music, etc. All linked to our own Google accounts based on the voice matched.

Tablets are the one area I feel you'll have to make a compromise since Google doesn't offer anything good there. My wife who is fully in Google camp uses a Tab S5e and just installed all the Google apps, no bother. She also uses a Fossil Gen 5 running WearOS and loves it, full integration into Google services. It isn't as good as an Apple watch for sure, but there are many wearable options.

The Pixel phones offer a fantastic experience and tight integration to the services. Couple of things to note, installing an ab blocker for Chrome isn't that easy, of course Google do want to serve you ads. It depends on your browsing habits if this would bother you, I mainly stick to the same few websites which don't run ads. Notifications on Android are a dream, it's one of the biggest things I dislike about iOS. Android Auto I personally find better than CarPlay, certainly in my 2017 Audi A4, the car controls navigate the menus so much better. This would vary car to car. The AA interface feels more useful to me when I'm traveling and better laid out.

Outside of Apple you have access to some seriously powerful hardware choices. Like PC Gaming? A custom built PC is going to offer a ton of performance and flexibility. All your Google services are there in Chrome (a really good browser). Laptops I still find what Apple offer to be better but it's close, there are some lovely machines available from companies like Lenovo, Dell and Razer.

So after much praise for Google, where have I put my money? I'm actually in limbo right now. On one hand the minimalist side of me loves Apples ecosystem, aesthetic, consistent high quality hardware, support and simplicity. The non-Apple route allows me to have a super powerful PC, access to some really nice Pixel features and better integration with my home. You don't have an desktop OS from Google (unless you count chromeOS) so you'll be on Windows, although there is nothing stopping you from using Apple computers and just not using their services. Windows feel like it's a bit stagnate over the years where as macOS has been slowly improving and being visual refreshed a few times.
 
Just to echo others, if you want to replicate an “ecosystem” on Android, the choice is Samsung. With Microsoft working closely with Samsung, the integration with Windows PC is a lot better on Samsung devices. Also, Samsung gallery can sync directly with OneDrive.

Only go with Google if you’re using Chromebook.

Google services are completely cloud based, so you have full access from any computer to their apps. You can download and install a Google Drive app onto your Windows machine for syncing.
 
I can offer some insight here as I've flip flopped between Apple and Google over the years, I have a thread here talking a lot about it - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/flip-flopping-between-macos-and-windows.2212216/

In short, the Google ecosystem is really good, better in some ways than what Apple offer. Let me break it down for you.

Whatever PC you decide to run, you'll have full access to Google services as they were designed from the ground up to be web apps. Compared to Apple who seem to have built their iCloud app versions as an afterthought.

iMessage is probably one of the biggest sticking points for many, more so in the US. In Europe (and UK where I live) WhatsApp completely dominates the messaging space. You can install and run WhatsApp on the web and desktop which is very nice to have. Again, this may not be viable in the US if you live predominately within an iMessage world.

My home is Google and it works so well, I genuinely find it an essential tool. Nest Hello at the front door rings my many Nest Mini, Nest Home Hub and Sonos speakers announcing someone at the front door. I have a Mini in my log cabin home gym which allows me to stay connected to the home, we use the broadcast feature daily as an intercom. "Hey Google, Broadcast message xyz" and it records my spoken message and plays back in every room in my house. My wife runs a home salon and uses the Nest Home Hub with the screen to speak to clients at the front door, especially important during covid. It all works so seamlessly.

The ecosystem of devices you can easily add to Google Home is vast, I've bought some cheap Wifi plugs from Amazon and now I can ask "Hey Google, turn on the Log Cabin Heater" for example. Google Assistants voice match is exceptionally good allowing me and my wife to ask any of the devices to add something to our calendar, reminders, play our music, etc. All linked to our own Google accounts based on the voice matched.

Tablets are the one area I feel you'll have to make a compromise since Google doesn't offer anything good there. My wife who is fully in Google camp uses a Tab S5e and just installed all the Google apps, no bother. She also uses a Fossil Gen 5 running WearOS and loves it, full integration into Google services. It isn't as good as an Apple watch for sure, but there are many wearable options.

The Pixel phones offer a fantastic experience and tight integration to the services. Couple of things to note, installing an ab blocker for Chrome isn't that easy, of course Google do want to serve you ads. It depends on your browsing habits if this would bother you, I mainly stick to the same few websites which don't run ads. Notifications on Android are a dream, it's one of the biggest things I dislike about iOS. Android Auto I personally find better than CarPlay, certainly in my 2017 Audi A4, the car controls navigate the menus so much better. This would vary car to car. The AA interface feels more useful to me when I'm traveling and better laid out.

Outside of Apple you have access to some seriously powerful hardware choices. Like PC Gaming? A custom built PC is going to offer a ton of performance and flexibility. All your Google services are there in Chrome (a really good browser). Laptops I still find what Apple offer to be better but it's close, there are some lovely machines available from companies like Lenovo, Dell and Razer.

So after much praise for Google, where have I put my money? I'm actually in limbo right now. On one hand the minimalist side of me loves Apples ecosystem, aesthetic, consistent high quality hardware, support and simplicity. The non-Apple route allows me to have a super powerful PC, access to some really nice Pixel features and better integration with my home. You don't have an desktop OS from Google (unless you count chromeOS) so you'll be on Windows, although there is nothing stopping you from using Apple computers and just not using their services. Windows feel like it's a bit stagnate over the years where as macOS has been slowly improving and being visual refreshed a few times.
What a fantastic post. Much obliged Lie!

PC-wise, I’ll stick with Windows anyway, so I’ll really be converting everything in my sig only, if I did cross over. I also have a Nest Mini at home already (where I got an additional taste of how useful GA is, after using it on the iPhone).

What ear buds are you using?
 
Samsung is the only android with a true ecosystem I would say and it works well

Galaxy watch
Buds live
Fold 2/note ultra
Tab S7 plus
I would agree with this comment plus there is the potential of Samsung Dex as well as the close integration with the Microsoft Office suite.

The Samsung hardware is number one in the market, the software experience is fast catching up to the market leader! Thus the future looks good for Samsung!
 
I have an Apple Watch. There’s no one that can even come close to the iPhone / Apple Watch integration. If Google can do the same then I would most definitely consider the Pixel.
 
I have an Apple Watch. There’s no one that can even come close to the iPhone / Apple Watch integration. If Google can do the same then I would most definitely consider the Pixel.
That's a bold statement my friend.

I'm curious.. have you tried a latest Samsung flagship (S20/Note20 series) and a recent Galaxy Watch series (active2/Watch3) combination?
 
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Google services are completely cloud based, so you have full access from any computer to their apps. You can download and install a Google Drive app onto your Windows machine for syncing.
But the level of integration is a notch below OneDrive. OneDrive on Windows is awesome. You don’t have to manage which files you want to have available offline. All your files on the cloud will appear on Windows Explorer, and it will download the files as needed.
 
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I can offer some insight here as I've flip flopped between Apple and Google over the years, I have a thread here talking a lot about it - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/flip-flopping-between-macos-and-windows.2212216/

In short, the Google ecosystem is really good, better in some ways than what Apple offer. Let me break it down for you.

Whatever PC you decide to run, you'll have full access to Google services as they were designed from the ground up to be web apps. Compared to Apple who seem to have built their iCloud app versions as an afterthought.

iMessage is probably one of the biggest sticking points for many, more so in the US. In Europe (and UK where I live) WhatsApp completely dominates the messaging space. You can install and run WhatsApp on the web and desktop which is very nice to have. Again, this may not be viable in the US if you live predominately within an iMessage world.

My home is Google and it works so well, I genuinely find it an essential tool. Nest Hello at the front door rings my many Nest Mini, Nest Home Hub and Sonos speakers announcing someone at the front door. I have a Mini in my log cabin home gym which allows me to stay connected to the home, we use the broadcast feature daily as an intercom. "Hey Google, Broadcast message xyz" and it records my spoken message and plays back in every room in my house. My wife runs a home salon and uses the Nest Home Hub with the screen to speak to clients at the front door, especially important during covid. It all works so seamlessly.

The ecosystem of devices you can easily add to Google Home is vast, I've bought some cheap Wifi plugs from Amazon and now I can ask "Hey Google, turn on the Log Cabin Heater" for example. Google Assistants voice match is exceptionally good allowing me and my wife to ask any of the devices to add something to our calendar, reminders, play our music, etc. All linked to our own Google accounts based on the voice matched.

Tablets are the one area I feel you'll have to make a compromise since Google doesn't offer anything good there. My wife who is fully in Google camp uses a Tab S5e and just installed all the Google apps, no bother. She also uses a Fossil Gen 5 running WearOS and loves it, full integration into Google services. It isn't as good as an Apple watch for sure, but there are many wearable options.

The Pixel phones offer a fantastic experience and tight integration to the services. Couple of things to note, installing an ab blocker for Chrome isn't that easy, of course Google do want to serve you ads. It depends on your browsing habits if this would bother you, I mainly stick to the same few websites which don't run ads. Notifications on Android are a dream, it's one of the biggest things I dislike about iOS. Android Auto I personally find better than CarPlay, certainly in my 2017 Audi A4, the car controls navigate the menus so much better. This would vary car to car. The AA interface feels more useful to me when I'm traveling and better laid out.

Outside of Apple you have access to some seriously powerful hardware choices. Like PC Gaming? A custom built PC is going to offer a ton of performance and flexibility. All your Google services are there in Chrome (a really good browser). Laptops I still find what Apple offer to be better but it's close, there are some lovely machines available from companies like Lenovo, Dell and Razer.

So after much praise for Google, where have I put my money? I'm actually in limbo right now. On one hand the minimalist side of me loves Apples ecosystem, aesthetic, consistent high quality hardware, support and simplicity. The non-Apple route allows me to have a super powerful PC, access to some really nice Pixel features and better integration with my home. You don't have an desktop OS from Google (unless you count chromeOS) so you'll be on Windows, although there is nothing stopping you from using Apple computers and just not using their services. Windows feel like it's a bit stagnate over the years where as macOS has been slowly improving and being visual refreshed a few times.

Great breakdown.

I would say for the majority in the USA like me goes the iMessage route. When we visit my wife’s family in France they don’t even know what iMessage is lol. Like you said WhatsApp totally dominated Europe like iMessage dominates USA. WhatsApp actually works just as good as iMessage in the features.

I’m totally Google services myself. The reason is because we don’t have an Apple desktop or laptop. We have our iPhones and iPads. The Apple ecosystem for me doesn’t integrate with non Apple desktops or laptops which is important for my family.

I’ve heard people say that Google services integrate great on the iPhone. Yea Google integrates but it isn’t nearly as streamlined as I would like like iOS / Apple integration. On some apps too many loopholes and / steps to get the Google integration which isn’t very convenient.

One thing that really bugs me and maybe there’s a setting or something is in the Gmail app if I get a link for a YouTube video and click on it it takes me to mobile YouTube not the app. Maybe I don’t have the right setting. But this bugs me as part of my business I have to access lots of YouTube via Gmail. I use the Gmail app cause it gets me instant notification vs Push on the native email app.

Another factor for me is the iPhone/ Apple Watch integration. There’s nothing can can compare to this integration and apps.

Another factor is who uses Safari on their non Apple desktop? We use Chrome mostly. Since that’s the case Google is cross platform. I need my mobile devices to integrate with my Chrome account because safari isn’t on our non Apple desktop.

IMO opinion Google needs to create a message experience like iMessage and bake it into the OS. Boggles my mind why they can’t / or aren’t doing it.

IMO the privacy thing is a bunch of hype. Yea Google tracks you but it doesn’t bother me. It’s not like they are going to steal my bank information or something lol. Google knows my search habits and to be honest I kind of like that because it suggests things based on my search habits. Amazon does this within their ‘own search engine’. Amazon knows what I like and often suggests things based on that.
 
I have an Apple Watch. There’s no one that can even come close to the iPhone / Apple Watch integration. If Google can do the same then I would most definitely consider the Pixel.

That's a bold statement my friend.

I'm curious.. have you tried a latest Samsung flagship (S20/Note20 series) and a recent Galaxy Watch series (active2/Watch3) combination?

It obviously varies from person to person as we all use our devices differently but I'll agree with @macher 100%. There are numerous ways I use my Apple Watch that either aren't available in the Samsung Watch ecosystem or not easily/conveniently replicated.
 
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I am mostly all in the Google ecosystem.
Phone: iPhone XS Max and Pixel 4XL (ordered 5)
Personal Computer: Pixelbook (use a company issued Windows machine for work)
IOT devices: new Chromecasts, Nest Hub, Nest Thermostat, multiple Nest minis, Nest Hello doorbell, Nest WiFi, probably missing some haha

As I built out everything I went all-in on Google because I liked the idea of everything being integrated and mostly working within one app (Home app by Google). I can go into the app and see all of my devices, cameras, speakers, etc. When I started building out I didn't like the idea of 5-7 different apps for all the different devices (Ring app for doors, Eero app for wifi, Arlo app for cameras, etc.) I think iOS is working toward a similar setup with the HomeKit stuff but it's a little finicky and only works with certain products, so you are limited.

The nice part about Google is that you can exclusively use Google products (Gmail, Nest, Chromecasts, etc.) but still use iOS as your phone or tablet. If you try to go all-in on iOS (Apple Watch, HomePod, AppleTV) you can quickly get locked into that ecosystem and it's hard to leave. In my opinion, locking yourself into Apple products is also much more expensive that the equivalent Google products.
 
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Nope!

I'm about... 20% in? I use Gmail, use a Chromebook, and recently got a Pixel 4A (prior to that, I've had LG and Samsung phones). Otherwise, I strive to keep stuff local and offline when possible.
 
I was all in for a year. Several devices. Google Pixel 4, Google PixelBook Go, Nest Home, and ChromeCast with All google apps. It is a very smooth tightly integrated ecosystem. The hardware was Apple Quality, nearly same price.

The ONLY reason I came back to Apple was my wife and teenaged kids could not be convinced to go Google. They admit Google home devices worked much better than Siri. But their, and my friends are all iPhone and iMessage is outstanding if everyone is in. (I’m in the US).

Google Apps play very well on Apple devices, but I’m an all or none kinda guy.
 
This is spot-on. As someone has tried virtually everything, Samsung is the only “ecosystem“-style experience in the Android world. They even have close tie-ins with Microsoft, meaning their devices sync well with Windows PCs. I’d also argue the best tablet to pair with Android is a Surface device. Otherwise, just get an iPad even if you have no other Apple devices.
My Pixel 4a syncs with Windows and I can use my PC for phone calls, messages and whatever else I want when it is synced. Sometimes I disconnect it though.

I have JBL 300 Live earbuds and can be used with either Google asst or Alexa. I set it up with GA.

My tablet is old so I don't use it much but it is a Samsung and works well together.

I have 3 Fire tv boxes with a service I downloaded on it other than Google TV or just Amazon stuff. No need to sync it with Google.
I don't wear watches so can't say and have no plans to get a smart watch.
I do have Android auto in my car and it's cool.

I have a Alexa speaker but my wife keeps unplugging it lol. I have been told that Google home is better than Alexa though.

So no, I don't have all Google devices but I don't think you need to have only Google devices.
 
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In my head, I am doing either 100% Apple or 100% non-Apple. For now I am 100% Apple but like everyone else, get sick of the ever inching higher walls. I have tried the non-Apple route a few times but it doesnt seem to stick. I am either too indoctrinated by Apple or creeped out by what I see on the other side.

Yes you can replicate some hardware items (especially when considering adding non-Google branded stuff) and some services are better (Home, Search, Assistant, etc) but IMO Google is too short attention span for my tastes. The apps are all over the place and you never know what is going to last. Yet, something as simple and wanting for stability like a messaging app has seen 4 competing apps from them! Drives me nuts.

Imagine spending all your time convincing family members to try Google apps out only to have to constantly explain what is going on and why they are changing again (been there).

IMO Google's short attention span is what holds them back from wider adoption and the mainstream success of their products.

but maybe that's not what they want. Be together, not the same, right?

I think you're better off considering a 100% non-Apple combo > Windows PC, Garmin watch, Android Phone - and then Google services for web synching. Or as others have said, go Samsung. My issue with Samsung is they are trying to create their own walled garden (albeit much lower walls than Apple) on top of Android. If you live in their world they seem to have the bases covered, even including Smart Things. Competing apps on the same device however is another major agita for me.
 
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In my head, I am doing either 100% Apple or 100% non-Apple. For now I am 100% Apple but like everyone else, get sick of the ever inching higher walls. I have tried the non-Apple route a few times but it doesnt seem to stick. I am either too indoctrinated by Apple or creeped out by what I see on the other side.

Yes you can replicate some hardware items (especially when considering adding non-Google branded stuff) and some services are better (Home, Search, Assistant, etc) but IMO Google is too short attention span for my tastes. The apps are all over the place and you never know what is going to last. Yet, something as simple and wanting for stability like a messaging app has seen 4 competing apps from them! Drives me nuts.

Imagine spending all your time convincing family members to try Google apps out only to have to constantly explain what is going on and why they are changing again (been there).

IMO Google's short attention span is what holds them back from wider adoption and the mainstream success of their products.

but maybe that's not what they want. Be together, not the same, right?

I think you're better off considering a 100% non-Apple combo > Windows PC, Garmin watch, Android Phone - and then Google services for web synching. Or as others have said, go Samsung. My issue with Samsung is they are trying to create their own walled garden (albeit much lower walls than Apple) on top of Android. If you live in their world they seem to have the bases covered, even including Smart Things. Competing apps on the same device however is another major agita for me.
I'd say you spend too much time worrying about it and you are over thinking things.
A little OCD perhaps?

I don't worry about any of that and don't try to convince anyone to switch or use an app. I don't have any issues communicating.
I just don't like iOS. Simple, eliminates any other worry's.
I mean really, how can you let a messaging app drive you nuts? It's a message app.

I actually really like Android on my Pixel where I wasn't a fan of pure Android before but that was back when I had a Nexus 5.
Alot better now and with added features I like it a lot.

Love the call screening that is integrated in the OS.
 
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