Yesterday I ordered an early 2008 MBP 2.4 refurb which I have been waiting to appear for some time on the Apple UK store. Not a bad price of £880. I was apprehensive, as I've had 2 other refurbs in the past that have been bad. A PowerMac which had it's front leg stanchion so badly bent that you had to prop it up with a piece of cut out rubber. I also had a BlackBook that looked like someone had taken a sander to it as it was so badly scratched. But I decided to risk it as surly I couldn't be unlucky a third time. How wrong was I. Opened my new MBP and discovered that the top case had a few deep scratches. Went on to boot it and all I got was BEEP, BEEP, BEEP. I work in IT so I had a feeling this was badly seated RAM, which it was so it finally booted. Went to put iLife 09 on it and discovered that the aluminum around the Superdrive had been pinched in a little so I decided not to risk it. I though well I can report this to Apple and get a new top and bottom case and I'll be fine. Then the machine beach balled and I could hear a ticking from the drive area. Connected a firewire drive and put the leopard install disk in and thought I'd install on the firewire and get the whole unit sorted out later. Well I've put the install disk in and pressed 'C' as it booted but I didn't get the apple logo up. Tried a few times and finally got it to boot from the installer disk. Didn't manage to install on the firewire, as I needed to reboot the MBP, as it wasn't identifying the firewire drive correctly so I prepared the firewire on my iMac. Now I can't get it to boot at all from the installer. I've reset the PRAM and that did nothing. I've held the 'C' key as Ive booted, before booting, after the chime and still nothing. Rang Apple and they advised me that I could either send it back for a refund or get it repaired. As these refurbs are so hard to come by Ive booked an appointment to see a Genius to hopefully fix the MBP and replace the top and bottom case. Do you think Im mad for doing this? I really want to get this machine working. So why did this fail quality control as it's got a few problems. Even Apple stated that it should not have been sent out in this condition. Why am I so unlucky with refurbs? I read so many stories about people getting as new machines but I never do. Can anyone help me get this booted as I'd love to have a play with it but I think with the fact I can't get the apple logo to come up then it might not be the drive but a logic board failure. Sorry for the long post but any help is gratefully received. Glyn.