MP 7,1 Why Apple is advertising Mac Pro 2019 with Photoshop?

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  1. mavericks7913 macrumors 6502a

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    I found this irony since Mac Pro 2019 is not meant for a photographer or anyone using Photoshop and yet they are advertising that Mac Pro 2019 with 28 cores run faster.

    The truth is it's wrong! Adobe software does not use more than 8 cores and they take advantages from high clock speed.

    https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2019-CPU-Roundup-Intel-vs-AMD-vs-Mac-1295/

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    As you can see, more cores do not improve performance. The clock speed does. I seriously dont understand why would they advertise Mac Pro 2019 with Photoshop for?

    It's not a good way to advertise with Mac Pro 2019. They should make a mid-range modular Mac desktop instead for 2d Professional works.
     
  2. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan

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    The answer should be obvious. CG artists and video editors also use image editors for background creation, texture painting, and mattes. Photoshop layered files can be imported into other apps like After Effects.

    There's no point comparing some guy's benchmark to Apple's. They use different methods. Apple is showing the maximum expected gain using those parameters.
     
  3. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    Those are Puget Systems benchmarks who are pretty much the gold standard of benchmarks regarding professional software in PC's. They build workstations for professional customers and they test EVERYTHING. If you are building a PC and want to know what hardware to use for your software requirements they are the people to refer to.
     
  4. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan

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    Puget has some nice benchmarks but don't make bloggers and bloggers into your religion. There are no errors in my post. There's 30 years of working experience in my words and I never asked anything in return for all the years of hardware upgrades I did for this forum's education. Thanks.
     
  5. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    Not denying your experience at all but calling them bloggers is a bit much. They are systems builder who just make their testing public.
     
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    I meant in general, too many posts are referring to bloggers and bloggers over Apple's own engineers. Puget is solid. Dave Lee isn't ;)
     
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    Oh I completely agree. But the world today is full of "influencers". For me I want to see the work that backs up the words.
     
  8. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan

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    Here's Apple's test specs.

    1. Testing conducted by Apple in May 2019 using preproduction 2.5GHz 28-core Intel Xeon W-based Mac Pro systems with 384GB of RAM and dual AMD Radeon Pro Vega II graphics with Infinity Fabric Link and 32GB of HBM2 each; and shipping 2.3GHz 18-core Intel Xeon W-based 27-inch iMac Pro systems with 256GB of RAM and Radeon Pro Vega 64X graphics with 16GB of HBM2, as well as shipping 2.7GHz 12-core Intel Xeon E5-based Mac Pro systems with 64GB of RAM and dual AMD FirePro D700 graphics with 6GB of VRAM each. Mac Pro systems tested with an attached 5K display. Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 21.0.0 tested using the crystallize, pointillize, radial blur, shape blur, dust & scratches, and median filters. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of Mac Pro and iMac Pro.

    If they had downloadable links to the files they used it could help customers test for themselves and check the benefits. The file must have been massive if they had to use 384GB RAM. Probably the file was impractical for real world example but just to show what happens to a system pushed to extreme.
     
  9. mavericks7913 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    lol Puget system is well known for benchmarking software. Also, Puget is not the only website testing software and it is already proven that Adobe software does not use more than 8 cores.
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    Then where is your data to prove your statement? I took several computer building workshops and classes and they always said Adobe does not use more than 8 cores.
     
  10. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan, Jun 8, 2019
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    That’s cool but I’m older and have more experience than them so I don’t need to use anyone’s site for any info. I started with Photon Paint before Photoshop version 1 ;)

    Edit: actually started with the pre-digital film editing, dark rooms and air brushing at school because we didn’t have computers in those days :p

    The mistake you are making is to assume that Apple has posted a CPU only benchmark result. I have posted from their site their test method. It includes GPU accelerated effects and they tested with the dual GPU option. So the result is showing stress on CPU, memory and GPUs.
     
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    Only because it relates to puget systems. Here is a great video of a tour of their facility. I just wanted to post it incase anyone wanted to see it.

     
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    lol

    This is like advertising your new McLaren for speed limited commuting usage on I-5
     
  13. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    haha good analogy.
     
  14. mavericks7913 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    lol, older doesnt mean you know more. Check youtube videos about Adobe software and you will realize your info is wrong.

    Also, the Puget system test several tools and feature in real life. What makes you think it's just a blogger's thought?
    https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2019-CPU-Roundup-Intel-vs-AMD-vs-Mac-1295/ Check all testing result with different CPU. Using 28 cores is already a mistake since Adobe software does not use more than 8 cores.

    Since you have nothing to prove or show, who's gonna believe you?
     
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    You’re venting on the internet for no reason expect to show you are insecure.

    Apple has to show all pro apps. CG artists and texture designers use powerful workstations and create textures in photoshop. They did a complete system test, not just a CPU test. It’s written in their site and quoted by me.

    There is no reason to argue this except to prove that sometimes humans look for violence online.
     
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    Excuse me, I brought a very helpful link with actual proofs while you are NOT. I told you. Where is your source or link to support your claim? I gave you and yet you kept ignoring the fact here. What makes you think that Photoshop uses all 28 cores? Where's the proof or link?

    Puget already tested with AMD 32 cores and yet Intel 8 cores with 5ghz was much faster.


    At 2:20 he starts to explain about CPU cores and he said no more than 8 cores and you wont gonna see any differences.

    See? I kept providing proofs here while you are just using theory to prove your statement. Since you know nothing about technology, I would suggest studying first before you comment in the forum.

    Tell me, what makes you think that Photoshop takes advantages with 28 cores?
     
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    Any tests made in MacOS? We all know how well Windows handle more than 16 cores.
     
  18. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    I ran puget systems photoshop benchmark in Mac OS on my 6 core 2.6 i7 2018 MacBook Pro with Vega 20 and 32 GB of ram. My CPU utilisation barely got about 50% and 90% of the time was around 20%. Clock speed was good though and stayed around 4GHZ. It utilised the Vega 20 far more than the CPU.

    In fact someone ran a bunch of tests for video between the 6 core 2.6 i7 and the new 8 core both with 32GB Ram and the Vega 20 and while Premiere Pro showed a big difference having more cores Davinci Resolve and Final Cut Pro X barely showed any real world difference in fact at times the 6 core was better.

    A lot of softwares now are taking way more advantage of the GPU and Ram rather then number of cores.

     
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    At any rate when working with Photoshop you end up mostly using brushes, creating, copying and pasting elements and layering and transforming bits, zooming, panning and rotating the canvas. You're not going to constantly run filters for e.g. producing a texture.

    27 out of 28 cores will have a pretty quiet break while you're doing your thing. ;) So yeah, these benchmarks for specific filters seem rather silly. Most things don't multithread so well when constant user input is involved and Photoshop isn't exactly known as a showcase for multithreading.
     
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    There isn't any difference between MacOS and Windows. They are using the same hardware.

    Of course, MacOS will be slower because of poor cooling performance.
     
  21. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    Not really my MacBook Pro never thermal throttled and happily held 4.0GHZ while doing Puget systems expanded photoshop benchmark. Fans only came on a couple of times during certain tasks. Your results may vary.
     
  22. mavericks7913 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Im talking about overall experience base on youtube and google. Also, how come iMac 2019 8 cores 5performrms better than MacBook Pro 2019 8 cores 5ghz?
    All laptop has a poor cooling system compared to desktops so I wouldn't talk about it.

    You should compare between iMac and PC. You will see a big difference, especially with the CPU temperature.
     
  23. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    Ill watch that video properly later but looking at his iMac specs the iMac has a higher base clock cpu, double the ram and double the Vram on the GPU.

    Yes a desktop will cool better than a laptop but that is the case with anything, manufacturer is irrelevant there.
     
  24. mavericks7913 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    The point is, even the boost speed is the same, the cooling performance cant handle the boost speed. Even iMac 2019 can't maintain the speed at 5ghhz but 3.8ghz.
     
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    Manufacturer is not irrelevant. If a laptop is a little thicker with better fans, throttling can be minimal.

    It's when the manufacturer (I'm thinking of the fruit company) goes first for super thin (even when it means that the keyboard is a nightmare) and wimpy fans that throttling is an big problem.
     

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