Why Apple is taking its time with cut-and-paste.

The reason why Apple will probably never implement copy and paste is due to the fact that there is no easy way to implement it. Apple is all about simplicity. When copy and paste will be implemented, Apple will have to come up with some hand gesture, which could trigger other things to happen, or it would just be too complicated for some people. It's the way it's going to be sadly. Apple rather maintain it's simplicity than throw in functions everywhere for every app.

 

I'm not sure why everyone is in a mass hysteria about copy and paste. I am honestly curious to know what people need to copy and paste on a daily basis that they can not complete any other way.

Maybe Apple doesn't see C&P as a critical function that the iPhone needs, or simply thinks that the alternatives to C&P are sufficient enough for the iPhone users of the world. We may never know why Apple does what it does.

Textguru looks like a great little app that you can cut and paste (within the app of course) and do all sorts of other things.

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While there probably will never be a true replacement, there are a couple alternatives =/

 

hey OP...I thought you were gonna tell us why Apple hasn't released cut & paste.

 

I dunno. It's not like Apple is new to this or anything.

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They could indeed be implementing some neat feature or gesture to get this rolling, but they have done this before so I wonder what the hold up could be

 

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I don't need copy/paste on a daily basis, but when I DO need it, it's annoying as hell that it's not there.

Anyway, I hope they add it soon.

 

Just to give Apple credit where due, they have already solved this problem. The Apple Newton had a perfect implementation of copy and paste that worked with stylus or finger. It was elegant and powerful.

1-hold your finger down at the start of some text for a full second until you hear a chirp sound and see a little blob of 'highlight' color under your finger tip

2-drag your finger across the text you want to copy; this draws a line of colored highlighting across the text, then lift finger

3-drag the now highlighted block of text to the screen edge where it sticks as a little 'post-it' tab (this made a cool sound too)

4-go to another app, and drag the little post it tab from the screen edge to where you want to the text to go


Super awesome Newton bonus features, unmatched in any handheld OS interface since:

-as above, but don't drag through words on one line, instead drag over one word, then cut down through multiple lines and finish by sliding over the last word you want, selecting the whole paragraph!

-do the above more than once! it was a multi-clipboard and you could have 3 or 4 of those post it stubs (copied text chunks) at one time

-this method could be modified by tap-then-drag instead of just drag to cut instead of copy; similarly tap-then-drag when pasting let you control whether you pulled the copied text off of the screen edge for good (ie paste and clear clipboard) or if it left it behind so you could paste it again.

Don't get me started on how much the Springboard is like the Newton app drawer, and how the Newton had better features!

 

For people not coming from other smartphones, I can understand why the lack of copy/paste may not be a big deal. But those of us who have grown used to the ease and convenience of that function can't imagine why it isn't available. The more you use the iPhone as a PDA and work device, the more the lack of copy/paste is a glaring omission.

And btw, having it on one application, i.e. TextGuru, while nice, isn't really the point.

 

To answer the question i believe the only reasonable answer is to "get it done right" and what i mean by that is that the iPhone has no contextual menu's and very few buttons so making a easy to use cross application copy and paste is not going to be a easy task without a lot of leg work getting it right.

 

I don't believe that implementing cut and paste is NOT a problem for Apple. The reason in my opinion is that they will implement it in a more 'tablet' like product, but not in the iPhone.

 

Perhaps. Any other touch based smartphone allows you to select text by simply dragging your finger over it then holding down the screen to bring up a menu to select 'copy'. All you do to paste is select where you want it to go and put gentle pressure on the screen again so the menu pops up.
The problem here is that you need a resisitance based touchscreen not a capacitive one like the iPhones' which doesn't detect pressure variances.

In saying that there are a number of workarounds here which would make this easy enough - length of contact, etc. Not sure the 'get it right' angle works for that reason.

 

My sentiments exactly.

 

I never use the Notes app, but if there was an easy way to cut and paste information from emails into Notes, I'd use it all the time. What bothers me is why people feel like if it's a feature they don't see a use for, then obviously no one else needs it either.

 

Apple will never add copy and paste.

 

it seems the option is in conflict with the current function the phone has when you touch any text word, the magnifying placement feature. So they need to find a way to highlight a word differently. double tap a word maybe

 

^^ Exactly. I think copying/pasting would actually be a bitch to implement on the iPhone. Considering that touch and hold is already devoted to (relatively inaccurate) cursor placement, I don't see how cut and paste would be all that trivial. I've read descriptions of how people think it would be implemented and none of them seem all that elegant and most would require quite an intense OS rewrite.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a useful feature. What I am saying is that it seems hard to pull off--we'd need a new UI gesture and a new OS framework to support a 'contextual menu' or secondary-click and also some way of highlighting text one character at a time that the phone could differentiate (input-wise) from the hold-and-scroll method of dropping the cursor with the magnifier. It is a little easier on Windows CE 5 devices because they require the use of a pen and a physical digitizer, which allows for much more defined, high definition input than a capacitive screen, where one's (relatively) massive finger might be contacting up to 10% of the overall screen surface area.

 

They'll add copy/paste when Jobs needs copy/paste, not a second before. What you and I want makes no difference to Apple.

 

It's not as if Apple is oblivious to the majority of the major issues. They listened with regard to the 1st gen's recessed headphone jack. They listened with regard to not being able to send an SMS to multiple people at once. They listened with regard to putting a search option in Contacts.
I'm sure (as some have already stated), that it's exactly how to do it in a satisfying and classy way, which is the reason why it hasn't been done yet.

 

Copy and paste could be used the same way you download a photo.

You put your finger on the word, and then it says copy/cut. If you keep your finger on that word, you can use the volume control to select more (so more words).

Then to paste you hold on the screen, and then you get a message allowing you to paste..

 

That's interesting. I've never thought about using the volume buttons. I'm not sure it would fly, but I like the way you think.

 

I simply can't think of too many reasons why people would need to have copy and paste. I see your point from the example you mentioned but it seems that just opening up the mail app would be equally as effective. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be implemented or anything like that, I just want to know why everyone is complaining about it when, with my daily use, I never even think about copy and paste. That's all.

 

I use it all the time on my Tilt. Copy a URL from the browser to an email or document and send to a coworker. All the time. Several times a day. It's a large reason why my iPhone sits on a desk with no sim while the Tilt is with me at all times and why I don't consider the iPhone a "professional" phone.

 

I've found the need for copy/paste a few times so far. First, for copying addresses that I find on web pages and emails to maps for directions. This one is key. They could alleviate this for me if they automatically smart linked any addresses in "normal" address form.

And second, for copying and paste urls that are not hyperlinked into safari. I've run across a few on the web, and they are nothing less than a ridiculous PITA to keep switching back and forth with a new tab to type it in. Also, mms messages on AT&T are not hyperlinked and you must keep referring to (or write down, which is ridiculous) the information to log in and view the message. They could alleviate both of these by either implementing mms, or working with AT&T (or parsing as received) to hyperlink the view message details.

There are probably other things I've found and forgotten, but those stand out for me, the first more than the second. And I'm sure other people have other needs for copy/paste that I've never even thought of. I mean, I don't do this ever/often, but it would be nice to be able to copy some info from the web and paste it into an email. Perhaps you look up the address for a store/restaurant/etc and want to email it to your friends/guests/whatever.

I think apple could implement some "work-arounds" for many of the functions people want copy/paste for, but it would be *easier* to cover EVERYTHING by just offering copy/paste.

I truly believe that the reason we don't have it is because apple thinks apple knows best, and apple doesn't think we need copy/paste. And they're right, really, MOST people would probably never use it, or would only use it once in a blue moon. I would probably be one of those people, even though I see some obvious uses for it. But that still doesn't justify leaving it out, IMO. At any rate, we may eventually see it, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

Thanks for a few examples. The only one I could think of is the need to copy and paste one of those extrodinarily long website links. Maybe C/P is for some and unfortunately I think that pj rage is right about what he said about "Apple knows best"