why apple laptops will stay behind PC's in pure speed...

[h'biki]

haha now i know im going to be attacked by a whole crowd of apple fanatics... saying stuff like 'the g4 is better than the fastest pentium 4, the fastest pentium m, blah blah blah..... oh well im ready for that

i think the new powerbook g5s shoudl use that carbon light and durable formfacter... something that stands outand screams... 'look at me, im different'

Considering the single processor 1.5 G4 is only barely slower than the 1.6 G5, a Powerbook G5 is going to need a significant clock advantage over the Powerbook G4 for it to be a vast improvement. How that compares to a 3ghz P4... it IS really hard to quantify. In the end, its whether its fast enough for you... and when you're dealing with renders... everything is too slow.

The G4 has been given a really bad rap. Its a well designed chip -- very economical - but with serious bus speed issues. It also has better altivec performance than the G5. Apple used to have a serious lead over PCs in performance, they lost that, but now everyone assumes they are slower and more expensive, when thats total bull****.

 

[dopefiend]

but now everyone assumes they are slower and more expensive, when thats total bull****.

They are

But the OS is so worth it.

 

[Fukui]

apples worst enimy is mac fanatics who think everything about apples is better... because thats a tuff pill to swolllow...

This is unfortunately the truth, in many cases, though not always...
Hopefully, in the near future, we can add "faster" and "greater variety of
software" to the check list.

 

[legion]

The hardware is arguably "faster," depending on what processor you use and what task you are seeking to accomplish. There is no clear winner in all facets of performance at this point.

Actually there is a clear winner in performance in all facets when comparing processors. Though the dual G5 vs dual Xeon/or single P4 vs dual AMD/single AMD debate is debatable for who's on top, the Pentium M vs the G4 is not. The Pentium M, since its debut, has been the clear winner; all facets, all the time. The engineers at Motorola would admit it and the engineers at IBM would admit it; Intel targeted the mobile segment with a damn good chip with very high performance and very low power consumption. I'd love to see any test with similar clocked G4s vs P-Ms where the G4 succeeds even in matching the P-M performance; the only caveat is that it has to be a test the exercises the processor and not the gpu (since this can vary wildly from top-of-the-line graphics cards to integrated graphics in the Intel-based laptop market.)

The possessive form of Apple is "Apple's," enemy is spelled with an "E," and the correct word to have chosen in before the ellipses is "are," as in "Apples are better." Also, I would find anything "tuff" to be tought to swallow.

It's humourous that while trying to correct someone else's spelling and grammar to show your superiority that you misspelled tough with "tought." Also, "chosen in" is used incorrectly; you can have just "chosen" or you could remove the whole "chosen in" verbiage. If you're going to get on a high horse, it's probably best to proof your comments.

 

[blue&whiteman]

*beating a dead horse*

 

[Mord]

can someone post links to some benchmarks please to reinforce there points?


Main reason i like my macs, they work and they are by no means slow an i dont own a mac above 1GHz my fastest mac is a dual 450MHz cube.
and i dont just check my email I render in 3d use photoshop and play the odd very payable game of halo, wolfenstine, and mohaa.

 

[dopefiend]

Main reason i like my macs, they work and they are by no means slow an i dont own a mac above 1GHz my fastest mac is a dual 450MHz cube.
and i dont just check my email I render in 3d use photoshop and play the odd very payable game of halo, wolfenstine, and mohaa.

Upgrade to a G5 or a high speed x86.....

You don't know speed!

 

[Fukui]

Considering the single processor 1.5 G4 is only barely slower than the 1.6 G5, a Powerbook G5 is going to need a significant clock advantage over the Powerbook G4 for it to be a vast improvement.

This is largely a compiler issue.

 

[blue&whiteman]

Upgrade to a G5 or a high speed x86.....

You don't know speed!

if its that easy then you can buy a new one for him.

 

[Soc7777777]

The possessive form of Apple is "Apple's," enemy is spelled with an "E," and the correct word to have chosen in before the ellipses is "are," as in "Apples are better." Also, I would find anything "tuff" to be tought to swallow.

HAHAHA the best part about your response is that i do not care about grammar... and while you try to correct me on it, you make many mistakes...
first of all you said that 'are' should be used instead of is in the phrase "everything about apples is better"... thats just crazy... consider this... your subject is everything... your verb is is.. (or in your case are)... 'about apples' is a prep. phrase... so your basic sentance is 'everything is better' with a prep phrase added in... so you want me to put everything ARE better? thats a subject/verb disagreement... i did too well on my ACTs to let that go by

 

[blue&whiteman]

this isn't english class in high school. its a mac forum.. no need to be formal with anything.

 

[socbyset]

mac chipz

I wonder if the fact that portables are making up a larger proportion of apple's computer sales will lead (or has led) them to ask their suppliers for a processor line more focused on laptops, even if a couple years ago it wouldn't have made financial sense.. overall computer sales are flat while notebook sales are surging, last I read. It seems the sensible thing to do.

 

[mikebatho]

Dull, thread of the year.....

Jeeez.

Spen d a few days using Quark, Photoshop & Illustrator on a PC laptop and you'll find the unreliability even more frustrating on the go, than on a home based machine. There will always be things that PCs are better for, why go on and on and on about it.

I will always conduct my business on a mac, as they are the better all round machine for the type of graphics work I do.

Anyone who buys and uses a mac because they look cool, then run WORD & EXCEL on it are pretty dumb anyway....

 

[Mord]

Upgrade to a G5 or a high speed x86.....

You don't know speed!

hmm yes i a 15 year old student am going to pull 3k for a g5 out of my @ss just to shave a few seconds off my medial tasks

x86 ewwww dont even go there the complex instruction set is sooo thierty years ago

I'm so riscey

 

[h'biki]

hmm yes i a 15 year old student am going to pull 3k for a g5 out of my @ss just to shave a few seconds off my medial tasks

x86 ewwww dont even go there the complex instruction set is sooo thierty years ago

I'm so riscey

except G4s are G5s are not RISC. By definition, Altivec is NOT a reduced instruction set!

 

[johnnyjibbs]

Anyone who buys and uses a mac because they look cool, then run WORD & EXCEL on it are pretty dumb anyway....

Well Microsoft has the monopoly on office products. Word and Excel have their shortcomings and annoyances, but I have yet to find better alternatives.

What's wrong with running a Mac because you prefer Mac OS to Windows? Also, why can't it look cool

 

[Mord]

except G4s are G5s are not RISC. By definition, Altivec is NOT a reduced instruction set!

you make no sense I am not one to poke fun at somone's english but "g4's are g5's" what?

the ppc arcitechture is based on the redused instruction set as stated on motorola's site (freescale)

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7457&nodeId=03C1TR046708718653

and i quote: "The MPC7457 host processor is a high-performance, low-power 32-bit implementation of the PowerPC RISC architecture with a full 128-bit implementation of Motorola's AltiVec™ technology"

the g4 is not just an altivec unit it in an advanced g3 with altivec bodged on the side as a vector prosessing unit desighned to improve proformence.

however the g5 is a totally different beast built around the ibm power4 core with a shrunk die and altivec bodged on aswell.

i did not say that altivec was a reduced instruction set i implyed that the prosessors that apple are currently useing are based on the redused instruction set and not on the complex instruction set that is used in x86 counterparts. (and yes i know modern x86 cpu's are RISC cpu's with a kind of hardware emulation but I am talking about the end result here)

 

[johnnyjibbs]

you make no sense I am not one to poke fun at somone's english but "g4's are g5's" what?

I think he meant "g4's and g5's are not RISC."

 

[Mord]

I think he meant "g4's and g5's are not RISC."

well they are

 

[Anna]

Investigate the Pipelining theory. INTEL are not .... and never will be faster than apple (I hope)

 

[blue&whiteman]

except G4s are G5s are not RISC. By definition, Altivec is NOT a reduced instruction set!

umm.. all the cpu's apple uses are risc.

set the crack pipe down.

 

[Mord]

umm.. all the cpu's apple uses are risc.

set the crack pipe down.

crack is for lightweights

lsd mmm.... helosigionaticness

I now love pc's and i think michel dell in a wonderfull innovative man who obiously loves the world heherheheheh.....

 

[Mord]

crack is for lightweights

lsd mmm.... helosigionaticness

I now love pc's and i think michel dell in a wonderfull innovative man who obiously loves the world heherheheheh.....

I think i speak for the crack smoking population of mac rumors (other wise known as the ones who posses reality distortion feilds) in that this man dose not represent us.

 

[Mord]

I think i speak for the crack smoking population of mac rumors (other wise known as the ones who posses reality distortion feilds) in that this man dose not represent us.

damn you crack smokers stealing my password

 

[AdamR01]

1. Those willing to pay monopoly prices for a buggy OS, a fundamentally flawed operating system.

2. Those who lack the knowledge that there are better operating systems out there (UNIX for example).

3. Those willing to reboot every 10 minutes because XP sucks royally!!!!

1. In the end Windows XP costs about the same as OS X.

2. Depends on what you're using it for.

3. My computer has been up for 12 days (the power went out before then).