iPhone XS Why are speed tests so close to Android?

[ls1dreams]

The A12 and A11 chips consistently blow away Android chips like the Snapdragon 845/855.

However, on youtube, it's easy to find plenty of app launches where the performance is near identical, or Android chips actually are faster at launching despite having a chip with 50% lower single core geekbench speeds.

Given that Android should also require even more memory & resources compared to iOS, how is this possible?

There are obviously some app/games where the iPhone does win at load times, but it seems shocking to me that Android ever wins these.

 

[nviz22]

The A12 and A11 chips consistently blow away Android chips like the Snapdragon 845/855.

However, on youtube, it's easy to find plenty of app launches where the performance is near identical, or Android chips actually are faster at launching despite having a chip with 50% lower single core geekbench speeds.

Given that Android should also require even more memory & resources compared to iOS, how is this possible?

There are obviously some app/games where the iPhone does win at load times, but it seems shocking to me that Android ever wins these.

Does it even matter though? It's all about OS preferences. Both do great things. iOS has a seamless integration with other Apple products. Android offers deep customization.

 

[akash.nu]

How much do you understand about processor technology and how the memory gets managed?! App launch speed tests are pointless if you’re talking about processing power between two systems.

 

[44267547]

Speeds test to the average consumer absolutely mean nothing. In general use, most consumers use their phones with the same daily tasks with media, videos, browsing, etc. They won’t notice a differential of speed test from one processor to the next. The one processor that has made a difference in terms of gaming has been the A12, which allows for ‘60 frames per second’ for sustainability. But overall, unless somebody was upgrading from an older model iPhone, (like the iPhone 6 to the XS), then would they notice a significant difference in terms of processing power.

 

[StellarVixen]

Same as, for example, Safari opens about the same on both i5 and i7 MacBook Pro, regardless if i7 is superior to i5.


You cannot judge CPU performance by opening the browser. Also, there is a matter of optimization, devs might do better job with optimizing app for one platform than another.

 

[squizzler]

I believe iOS throttles its hardware bit too much. No point of having such fast processor when you can't even exploit it.

 

[Coffee_Time]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-x-extrem-thermal-throttling.2117451/#post-26207194
Because sd845 and a12 are twins. They share the same mother: a75-76 core and mother ARM. A12 lacks 2 big cores but turbo boost single core higher. Also optimised for geekbench. In fact geekbench is the only win for Apple, maybe paid benchmark... Idk that. I dont trust antutu and dont trust geekbench. IMO both processors are verry good. In fact from sd835 and a11 the mobile processor industry got verry verry powerfull. A11 to a12 and 835 to 845 and 855 are gimmicks bumps. Maybe to GPU and ai there is room to increase. Arm v8a

 

[zx128k]

How much quicker can an app open ? You get to the point of diminishing returns.

If you ran, say, a video encode and compared that then you would see a difference.

 

[joeblow7777]

Because we've gotten to the point where any flagship processor is overkill for the standard everyday tasks like launching Instagram and Spotify. Benchmarks show what a processor is theoretically capable of, but don't reflect real life unless you're doing some intense stuff on your phone.

 

[JPack]

App load times are a test of the speed of NAND flash.

Any manufacturer can purchase the same NAND chips that Apple buys from Sandisk/Toshiba.

 

[mib1800]

It is not just about processor. Android is faster because of better network connection, more ram, better optimized OS and more efficient app (app file size is so much bigger in ios).

 

[Coffee_Time]

I tought in android apps and os are huge...
17 GB for Android oreo seems huge for me.

 

[JPack]

I tought in android apps and os are huge...
17 GB for Android oreo seems huge for me.

iOS system can be 10GB, 15GB, 25GB or more.

As an example, the YouTube APK for Android is 40MB. In iOS, the YouTube app is 160MB.

 

[torana355]

The A12 and A11 chips consistently blow away Android chips like the Snapdragon 845/855.

However, on youtube, it's easy to find plenty of app launches where the performance is near identical, or Android chips actually are faster at launching despite having a chip with 50% lower single core geekbench speeds.

Given that Android should also require even more memory & resources compared to iOS, how is this possible?

There are obviously some app/games where the iPhone does win at load times, but it seems shocking to me that Android ever wins these.

To start with chips like the exynos in the s10 are not 50% slower, the exynos basically equals the a12s single core score and is only 10% slower in multicore. People just regurgitate what they hear and assume the latest Android CPUs are slow which is incorrect. Secondly Android uses true multitasking and proper ram management along with more ram then the iPhone, this means less reloading of apps.

Here is the geekbench of my exynos s10

 

[mib1800]

To start with chips like the exynos in the s10 are not 50% slower, the exynos basically equals the a12s single core score and is only 10% slower in multicore. People just regurgitate what they hear and assume the latest Android CPUs are slow which is incorrect. Secondly Android uses true multitasking and proper ram management along with more ram then the iPhone, this means less reloading of apps.

Here is the geekbench of my exynos s10

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I think the 845 chip in the s9 and note 9 which is considerably slower than the A12 and speed tests showed s9/note 9 already faster in opening most apps (except games) than xs max.

 

[torana355]

I think the 845 chip in the s9 and note 9 which is considerably slower than the A12 and speed tests showed s9/note 9 already faster in opening most apps (except games) than xs max.

Well the speed that an app opens is more down to the speed of the flash storage used and we all know Samsung make some of the best NAND chips in the business

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Are people really out there timing their phones to see how fast apps open? Get yourselves a partner guys or gals lol.!

 

[akash.nu]

I believe iOS throttles its hardware bit too much. No point of having such fast processor when you can't even exploit it.

iOS doesn’t throttle any processing speed. It’s up to the OS to handle how the processor cores should be utilised depending on the given task at hand. That’s the whole point of OS optimisation.

In fact users generally never have access to play around with processors. How were you planning to “exploit” the processor?!

 

[akash.nu]

iOS system can be 10GB, 15GB, 25GB or more.

As an example, the YouTube APK for Android is 40MB. In iOS, the YouTube app is 160MB.

How are you comparing OS sizes with app sizes?! It’s up to the developers how they want to develop an app. That doesn’t mean anything. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Coffee_Time]

iOS system can be 10GB, 15GB, 25GB or more.

As an example, the YouTube APK for Android is 40MB. In iOS, the YouTube app is 160MB.

Thats inaccurate, my friend. My youtube app shows 480MB. Maybe is with data loaded?
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I think the 845 chip in the s9 and note 9 which is considerably slower than the A12 and speed tests showed s9/note 9 already faster in opening most apps (except games) than xs max.

Why except games? Majority of games opens faster on sd845, like more than 80% of them.
[doublepost=1552215773][/doublepost]Another thing that comes in my mind is the perception of many peoples about smartphone processors, especially Apple's . They compare them with console like and i7 or ryzen. Let me tell you thats not even 1% the case. Again, theyrs opinions are based on geekbench. First of all when today games have textures combined of near 100GB per game, rtx with thousands cores and on the ios you have like 2GB a game, that says everything. Maybe todays smartphones gpus are like 2004 graphics cards. Thats like a decade and a half back ago. Same with CPUs.

 

[JPack]

Thats inaccurate, my friend. My youtube app shows 480MB. Maybe is with data loaded?

I’m referring to clean, compressed versions. Check the app size in Google Play and App Store.
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How are you comparing OS sizes with app sizes?! It’s up to the developers how they want to develop an app. That doesn’t mean anything. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don’t think it’s meaningful either, but I do think it’s true similar apps on Android seem to be smaller than iOS.

 

[macfacts]

Does it even matter though? It's all about OS preferences. Both do great things. iOS has a seamless integration with other Apple products. Android offers deep customization.

But android has seemless integration with "open standards" products. Android will work with all smart speakers that support the Bluetooth standard.

 

[mprime_17]

Because sd845 and a12 are twins.

What?

They share the same mother: a75-76 core and mother ARM

Whaat?

A12 lacks 2 big cores but turbo boost single core higher.

Whaaat?

Also optimised for geekbench. In fact geekbench is the only win for Apple, maybe paid benchmark...

Whaaaat?

A11 to a12 and 835 to 845 and 855 are gimmicks bumps

!!?

Seriously, there's nothing true in what you wrote.

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Opening apps is not a true way to compare raw processing power as we dont know if those apps were wrote similar, had the same assets, need to connect to an additional service (YT), animation speed, etc. Even the logos' time is treated different (is nonexistent on some android apps).

 

[AppleHaterLover]

Are people really out there timing their phones to see how fast apps open? Get yourselves a partner guys or gals lol.!

So we can compare our phones? Sounds awesome.

 

[nviz22]

But android has seemless integration with "open standards" products. Android will work with all smart speakers that support the Bluetooth standard.

True, but not everyone sees integration as a fluid approach. Some folks prefer the right fit, which forces people to buy into HomeKit, Apple CarPlay, etc.