Why are you still using Apple hardware?

[koyoot]

I know that this question looks strange at the first glance, in this forum but...


Why are you still using Apple hardware, when whole world moved on, and is not looking back? Performance gaps between Windows and Apple hardware are ginormous. I switched to Windows, saved tons of money, and I do not feel that I lost anything by moving to Windows, from Mac. All of software is faster, more responsive, performance is much higher than on OSX, not to mention graphics performance which runs around anything on Mac.

Why are you guys still on Apple hardware, when there is absolutely zero incentive to still use their computers?

Professional Hardware? Threadripper platform - cheaper than anything Apple can offer.
AI? CUDA, and ROCm for AMD.
VR? Nobody cares at this point.

Everything for Apple appears to be in the region of... hope, rather than reason.

 

[MacDawg]

It isn't about the hardware for me, its about the OS
I am forced to use Windows 10 at work for long hours
When I am on my own time, I prefer the experience of MacOS

 

[maflynn]

Performance gaps between Windows and Apple hardware are ginormous.

That has been the case since apple was on the PPC platform. Its not about which machine is the fastest, but rather the experience, including the advantages of being in the apple ecosystem.

 

[belvdr]

That has been the case since apple was on the PPC platform. Its not about which machine is the fastest, but rather the experience, including the advantages of being in the apple ecosystem.

Fanboy! Fanboy! LOL

Seriously though, I'm not tied to any one ecosystem. I did this on purpose to ensure I don't end up being forced to use any particular device. I have a Mac at work, but I'm pushing for my next device to be Linux (likely won't happen). I'll probably end up with a Win10 machine.

 

[TiggrToo]

I know that this question looks strange at the first glance, in this forum but...


Why are you still using Apple hardware, when whole world moved on, and is not looking back? Performance gaps between Windows and Apple hardware are ginormous. I switched to Windows, saved tons of money, and I do not feel that I lost anything by moving to Windows, from Mac. All of software is faster, more responsive, performance is much higher than on OSX, not to mention graphics performance which runs around anything on Mac.

Why are you guys still on Apple hardware, when there is absolutely zero incentive to still use their computers?

Professional Hardware? Threadripper platform - cheaper than anything Apple can offer.
AI? CUDA, and ROCm for AMD.
VR? Nobody cares at this point.

Everything for Apple appears to be in the region of... hope, rather than reason.

Just been setting up a laptop for a new hire I have starting for me in a couple of weeks - battery lasted about 5 hours before expiring - an all I was doing was installing software and configuring some of them.

Meanwhile both my Macbook Air and 2015 Pro can last an easy 8-10 hours before expiring - and that's with copious amounts of web browsing, using Sql Ops Studio, Eclipse (don't hate me, I need it for SAP!), Parallels and Royal Desktop.

For me, that's pretty much everything I need to remind me why I prefer my Mac kit.

 

[jeyf]

i regretfully own a 2017 MBP problem child.
The 2017 MB keyboard is a BIG turn off, you would think something as basic as a keyboard... nice to here it might go into the US courts as a class action just in time for the 2018 MBP release.

 

[koyoot]

That has been the case since apple was on the PPC platform. Its not about which machine is the fastest, but rather the experience, including the advantages of being in the apple ecosystem.

Aaaaaand... currently the experience is much better on ... Windows.

When I do demanding work, because of my hardware, I have tons of processing power left to do anything I want meanwhile the job, that I was doing is processed.

I am regularly switching between Macs and Windows(everyday). And, because of the hardware I can use with Windows, the experience is much better.


The only word that is popping to my mind when I use Macs: Limited.

Why are they so limited?

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

Fanboy! Fanboy! LOL

Since when has experience become fanboyism? So if one likes a movie, one is automatically a fanboy? Do you even know what the term means?

Aaaaaand... currently the experience is much better on ... Windows.

For your work perhaps. I loathe how Windows looks and works, and everything I need to do I can do on my Mac and get a great experience out of (Except for Finder networking, that's not something I am happy about, fortunately I don't do much with it).

I am regularly switching between Macs and Windows(everyday). And, because of the hardware I can use with Windows, the experience is much better.


The only word that is popping to my mind when I use Macs: Limited.

Why are they so limited?

You keep saying the experience is better and now that Macs are limited, but the only thing you talk about is gigaflops. Short of buying the newest and best processor on the market, what exactly is it that is limiting and a better experience?

 

[TiggrToo]

Aaaaaand... currently the experience is much better on ... Windows.

When I do demanding work, because of my hardware, I have tons of processing power left to do anything I want meanwhile the job, that I was doing is processed.

I am regularly switching between Macs and Windows(everyday). And, because of the hardware I can use with Windows, the experience is much better.


The only word that is popping to my mind when I use Macs: Limited.

Why are they so limited?

Better is subjective. I find my MacBook with OSX is better for me over Windows. You feel that Windows is better for you.

And that's ALL there is to it. Neither is globally better or worse.

 

[belvdr]

Since when has experience become fanboyism? So if one likes a movie, one is automatically a fanboy? Do you even know what the term means?

It was a joke with some sarcasm, hence the "LOL", because I don't think @maflynn is a fanboy or could ever be accused of it. Don't be so serious.

 

[MacDawg]

Aaaaaand... currently the experience is much better on ... Windows.

When I do demanding work, because of my hardware, I have tons of processing power left to do anything I want meanwhile the job, that I was doing is processed.

I am regularly switching between Macs and Windows(everyday). And, because of the hardware I can use with Windows, the experience is much better.


The only word that is popping to my mind when I use Macs: Limited.

Why are they so limited?

My experience is the opposite
I have a 2013 MacBook Pro at home
I run High Sierra for all my Mac needs, graphics, video editing and more
I supplement that with a VM of Windows 10 on a separate monitor to VPN to my work's network (separate from my Mac connection)
I have an additional VM of Linux Ubuntu for what I am playing around with (on a private VPN unrelated to my Mac and my work VPN)
AND I have another VM with Linux Ubuntu server using VPN and running monitoring software for all my work servers on the network

All of it runs flawlessly on 2 external monitors and my MBP monitor
I don't feel limited at all, in fact, I feel empowered with all of the flexibility I have
I run Windows because I have to
I run macOS because I want to

To each his own

 

[maflynn]

@maflynn is a fanboy or could ever be accused of it

I've been accused of the polar opposite too many times ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[koyoot]

You keep saying the experience is better and now that Macs are limited, but the only thing you talk about is gigaflops. Short of buying the newest and best processor on the market, what exactly is it that is limiting and a better experience?

Its very simple. What I do: videos from PV installations for clients, is done 30-40% faster on my Windows PC.

Of course - it has better specs, but I payed for it less, than I would pay for Mac(iMac, for example). When I compare my home PC, fanless SFF computer, that has 4C/4T Core i3 8300T, GTX 1050 Ti Palit KalmX, 8GB of RAM 2400 MHz to current MBP, it still is faster. Not by huge margin(2-5%), but it is faster. And Cheaper. And quieter. Dead silent to be precise .

The experience is good on Windows. Way better than it was before. The only thing that is painfully annoying are the updates. My god, Microsoft could burn in hell for making this update system.

I posted this thread specifically in this subforum, because there is ZERO incentive to be on Apple hardware if you are a professional. Experience is equally good on Windows platform, as it is on Mac right now. You pay less for your hardware, or you get more for the same amount of money, and the software matures, and evolves way faster than it is doing on Apple platform, which is actually the biggest pain in the ***.

 

[MacDawg]

Its very simple. What I do: videos from PV installations for clients, is done 30-40% faster on my Windows PC.

Of course - it has better specs, but I payed for it less, than I would pay for Mac(iMac, for example). When I compare my home PC, fanless SFF computer, that has 4C/4T Core i3 8300T, GTX 1050 Ti Palit KalmX, 8GB of RAM 2400 MHz to current MBP, it still is faster. Not by huge margin(2-5%), but it is faster. And Cheaper. And quieter. Dead silent to be precise .

The experience is good on Windows. Way better than it was before. The only thing that is painfully annoying are the updates. My god, Microsoft could burn in hell for making this update system.

I posted this thread specifically in this subforum, because there is ZERO incentive to be on Apple hardware if you are a professional. Experience is equally good on Windows platform, as it is on Mac right now. You pay less for your hardware, or you get more for the same amount of money, and the software matures, and evolves way faster than it is doing on Apple platform, which is actually the biggest pain in the ***.

Once again we have someone who believes their experience and preferences trumps everyone else's
I'm happy that you're happy with your choices
I am even more happy that you don't make my choices for me

 

[dumastudetto]

Because Apple makes all the best hardware and software period. There's nothing better available from anyone else and never will be.

 

[koyoot]

Once again we have someone who believes their experience and preferences trumps everyone else's
I'm happy that you're happy with your choices
I am even more happy that you don't make my choices for me

LOL.

Where Did I said anything like this? You are easily offended, especially, about something so meaningless like computers, and hardware.

I have asked simple question. What keeps you in Apple ecosystem as a professional, where there is NOTHING that would justify that? Objectively, not subjectively.

Experience is subjective. Not objective, guys. Maybe you immersed so much in Apple ecosystem that you guys are unable to differentiate between this?

This is not meant to offend anybody.

I can talk about numbers, how everything is faster on Windows than it is on Mac. Games, applications, hardware, that is not bottlenecked by rubbish drivers. Why everybody is talking about experience, where all that matters in professional world is this: who gets their job done first, and move to another project.

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

I prefer macOS and iOS.

 

[belvdr]

Why everybody is talking about experience, where all that matters in professional world is this: who gets their job done first, and move to another project.

It's not just speed.

Consider employee morale. If a user is more productive using a hardware platform of their choosing, they tend to be a happier employee and likely to stay around. There's a cost to an unproductive, dissatisfied employee, so it may better to allow the employee to choose their platform.

Specs only matter on paper 100% of the time. I can have the fastest platform possible, but if I'm frustrated finding my way around the platform, I'm slower.

 

[theitsage]

This may or may not be relevant to all industries but in creative sectors you can demand more money using Apple hardware.

 

[hanser]

LOL.


I can talk about numbers, how everything is faster on Windows than it is on Mac. Games, applications, hardware, that is not bottlenecked by rubbish drivers. Why everybody is talking about experience, where all that matters in professional world is this: who gets their job done first, and move to another project.

I think that your definition of professional world is a too narrow one. I use a Mac professionally (as editor), and the much better experience I have in comparison to my last few Windows PCs makes me work more efficiently, since I am less annoyed and hindered by the nuisances I had to endure with Windows. Not everything is numbers and speed. Quantity is not always equal to quality.

 

[BigMcGuire]

As someone who grew up with windows, spent 20 years doing professional IT for windows, and programming on Windows for most of my life - professionally since 2011.....

I chose Apple because for $750 I got a 2015 Macbook Air that lasted 10 hours on battery, didn't require me to put an AV on it, and worked beautifully with Word and Chrome Remote Desktop (out to a 1080p monitor) for years and years and years. I could iMessage from it, answer calls, OS updates were a breeze... --- Any other $700 Windows laptop was horrid and didn't have an SSD at the time.

Mac OS? I love it. It stays out of your way lets you do what you want to do. Yes, when I come to work I'm programming Visual Studio 2017 C#. But when I come home, I want an OS that just lets me relax, stays out of my way, doesn't need constant managing, cleaning, optimizing, babying, etc...

Is Windows cheaper? Yes. Is it better? I don't think so. There is a quality to Mac that is really nice - so I've invested in it.

Love iMessage/Calls/etc... from any Apple Device. Love that my watch unlocks my laptop instantly when I open it up. Love iTunes backing up my phone. Love Timemachine (Windows backup is a frigging joke). Love having multiple desktops set up for different environments in Mac. Love that I can have a billion things open (xcode, Word, 7+ other programs, Chrome or Safari with 20 tabs) and 4GB of Ram is plenty and I'll still get 8 hours of battery life.

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One HUGE point? Reading text on a Mac is just ... so much more pleasant than Windows. Text rendering on a Mac when you have to read for 4 hours non stop is just no contest better than Windows.
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Love the metal design build of the Mac - the quality put into it. The light and thinness of the laptop (when you have to lug a laptop internationally, can't even feel an Air in backback). Love the instant on when opening screen.

I could probably go on and on. I use Mac personally. I use Windows professionally. I know Windows 10x better because I grew up with it and made $ with it starting when I was a kid. But I love Mac - the experience, quality of apps, is just far superior.

As the IT guy of the family - I have to service Windows machines 20x more than I do Apple or Chromebooks (great for older relatives!).

Where I'm going to school, Macs are the only thing used for CS. Profs love vi, terminal, QT, etc...

Loving my first ever MBP 2017.

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I run Windows because I have to
I run macOS because I want to

Agreed ^ - Perfectly said.

 

[Martyimac]

I know that this question looks strange at the first glance, in this forum but...


Why are you still using Apple hardware, when whole world moved on, and is not looking back? Performance gaps between Windows and Apple hardware are ginormous. I switched to Windows, saved tons of money, and I do not feel that I lost anything by moving to Windows, from Mac. All of software is faster, more responsive, performance is much higher than on OSX, not to mention graphics performance which runs around anything on Mac.

Why are you guys still on Apple hardware, when there is absolutely zero incentive to still use their computers?

Professional Hardware? Threadripper platform - cheaper than anything Apple can offer.
AI? CUDA, and ROCm for AMD.
VR? Nobody cares at this point.

Everything for Apple appears to be in the region of... hope, rather than reason.

i have to say that the reasons I still use macs are being chipped away. I like the seamless contacts and other items being integrated and synced through the cloud. Photos is finally an okay program. Messages being shared on my computer may be the biggest reason.
But I am paying a HUGE PREMIUM for all that. And my nMP is going back to  for the D300 graphics glitches, and  seems to be dragging their feet about fixing it.

It isn't going to take much to move me back to Windows 10, which is actually pretty decent. My wife is using a Dell Special Edition 8930 which is blazing fast and I am finding it relatively easy to administer for her. I still have the programs I want to use like MS Office and Adobe programs that I never got rid of and used previously. Won't take much more to make me give up on  computers.

 

[Starship67]

Aaaaaand... currently the experience is much better on ... Windows.

To you. Better question is why do you care what machine or OS someone else uses?

 

[t8er8]

I know that this question looks strange at the first glance, in this forum but...


Why are you still using Apple hardware, when whole world moved on, and is not looking back? Performance gaps between Windows and Apple hardware are ginormous. I switched to Windows, saved tons of money, and I do not feel that I lost anything by moving to Windows, from Mac. All of software is faster, more responsive, performance is much higher than on OSX, not to mention graphics performance which runs around anything on Mac.

Why are you guys still on Apple hardware, when there is absolutely zero incentive to still use their computers?

Professional Hardware? Threadripper platform - cheaper than anything Apple can offer.
AI? CUDA, and ROCm for AMD.
VR? Nobody cares at this point.

Everything for Apple appears to be in the region of... hope, rather than reason.

I love Apple, it’s ecosystem, it’s operating system, and I’m kind of a nerd/enthusiast for Mac pro’s

Theirs a lot of people here arguing about speed of the product but I look for things that will last even at the cost of performance.

I have fun experimenting with these interesting machines and I love troubleshooting.

That’s pretty much it

 

[vkd]

I just today found that with the expansion of Apple Stores and sales, the used market has become fuller, which means you won't necessarily get a good return on a used Apple product. In my case a 2011 iMac is now 7 years old and starting to feel its age. If I don't pass it on soon its value will keep decreasing whereas, in my case if I sell it now for a cheaper price (to beat the tons of other offers in the marketplace), for virtually the same money I can buy new PC components to gain a 7th gen CPU (currently on 2nd Gen Sandy Bridge), USB 3 ports and most importantly an nVidia GTX 1060 with 6 GB and a 43" 4K TV monitor! My worries about how I will be able to play Shadow of the Tomb Raider in September will dissolve into the ether!

Long story short, a 7-year-old computer in direct exchange for 43" 4K. There is always the option of creating a Hackintosh too so no need to kiss our beloved macOS goodbye...