Why delivery of nmpro is for February?

Frong

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I was looking at Apple Store for my country, and noticed a red mention that the delivery is only February without to even mention when in February.

Looks to me a rather weird way to sell anything, so I wondered why and when that sort of stupid thing will stop. Any idea?
 

FrankHahn

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Apple often under promises and over delivers. In order to be able to keep safely their promises, they gave an arbitrary date in the near future.

Some people have already got their nMPs and some people have been notified that their nMPs would be shipped in January.

I just ordered my 6-core nMP with an SSD of 1 TB in China. It says that the delivery will be in February. Let us see when I can get mine.
 

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Give the volume of sales and their ability to produce sufficient quantities their best guess is sometime in February. If you order one, as the weeks pass and we inch closer to February you'll get a more definitive answer.
 

Anim

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2nd Batch?

Doesn't matter if you ordered 8 hours after launch on the 19th Dec or now on the UK apple store, it is still a February delivery date for custom european orders
 

wheelhot

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Mine is base stock model, ordered last Friday, it has been est. in February for awhile now. I hope they actually mean sometime in February and not push it to March or even worse!
 

vhp3

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The good news is that it hasn't changed to March and it's almost 1 month after the initial orders.
 

mBox

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I thought about ordering the base model for my company.

But the 12-core was too enticing.

Our huge order of 6 drops in Feb.

Hope by then all the bugs are worked out with software, os and more TB2 peripherals are released :)
 

anedwar

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Mine is base stock model, ordered last Friday, it has been est. in February for awhile now. I hope they actually mean sometime in February and not push it to March or even worse!
if you're looking for a stock model PowerMax seems to have both in stock right now. If you're based in the US you might want to call for more details

http://www.powermax.com/parts/code/PM_CN_MP

*I have bought and sold a few Macs with this company
 

theSeb

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I was looking at Apple Store for my country, and noticed a red mention that the delivery is only February without to even mention when in February.

Looks to me a rather weird way to sell anything, so I wondered why and when that sort of stupid thing will stop. Any idea?
Fairly standard practise in the computer industry. Is this your first time buying a computer?
 

uzziel

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I was looking at Apple Store for my country, and noticed a red mention that the delivery is only February without to even mention when in February.

Looks to me a rather weird way to sell anything, so I wondered why and when that sort of stupid thing will stop. Any idea?
Yes, in this case Apple has not "delighted" their high end customers at all.

Looking at the thread for orders, it appears that when Apple says "February" it means February 28.

Most of those that ordered when the store opened on Dec 19 received a "ships January" but only a few have gone out half way through January.
 

TjeuV

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Everyone that needed a mac pro has made its order within the first week. So yeah, that's a lot of people to process and the mac pro facility won't have the same production capacity of let's say an iPhone factory. And it's not needed anyway because for the rest of the year it'll only produce on (wild guess) 15% of its capacity. That's why delivery estimates went skyhigh within hours. But for the same reason, they will drop as fast by mid-February or even by the end of January.

In meantime, do like I do while waiting for my nMP to arrive at my doorstep, watch the video on the making of a mac pro posted by Apple on YouTube every now and then.
 
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deconstruct60

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Looking at the thread for orders, it appears that when Apple says "February" it means February 28.
Which thread?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1692732


Or this one showing up early

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1695718

Most of those that ordered when the store opened on Dec 19 received a "ships January" but only a few have gone out half way through January.
The number of distribution channels being filled isn't the same as the first week so I doubt these limited demographic samples from forums are gong to be very insightful as to how standard configs are rolling out to standard channels.
 

deconstruct60

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Everyone that needed a mac pro has made its order within the first week. So yeah, that's a lot of people to process and the mac pro facility won't have the same production capacity of let's say an iPhone factory.
It is not so much that "Needed" were ordering as much as a pent up demand was almost certainly going to be higher than supply. Apple did several things to drive up demand.

A. they stopped selling the old Mac Pro worldwide over a month before.

B. They stopped selling the old Mac Pro almost 11 months before in the EU markets.

C. They invoked the Osborne Effect over 18 months ago. Again pinning some folks upgrade plans in place as they deffer to wait on the next generation.

Apple generally doesn't hit initial iPhone demand bubbles either. So it isn't really an iPhone sized factor since the iPhone factory can't do it either. The issue is sizing the factory resources for most of the year not solely for an initial demand bubble.






And it's not needed anyway because for the rest of the year it'll only produce on (wild guess) 15% of its capacity.
Probably no where near that low. Most customers have production upgrade windows that have many other factors than just initial Apple availability. If the Mac Pro is successful the vast majority of the units will be sold later in the year. The bleeding edge gadget fringe aren't the foundation of the market.

That's why delivery estimates went skyhigh within hours. But for the same reason, they will drop as fast by mid-February or even by the end of January.
If Apple hasn't really started delivering in some countries those locations aren't going to catch up quickly by end of this month. BTO orders will likely lag a bit behind standard configs past March.

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Looks to me a rather weird way to sell anything, so I wondered why and when that sort of stupid thing will stop. Any idea?
Generally Apple makes what people order. They keep some of the lost inventories in the industry.

That means for initial demand bubbles they are generally behind, but over the course of a year they are generally not.

It isn't stupid at all since they are never caught with gobs of product they need to unload at a firesale or write down. [ Blackberry largely shot themselves in the head with excess inventory in 2013. Badly run automobiles companies typically chronically suffer from this. ]

As much as there is moaning and groaning from one subset of customers and another set of "got it first" and speculative bubble players like it. For the folks getting work done with their current machines... it makes for possibly interesting sideshow circus entertainment.


The "order today" dates are not still sliding so Apple is catching up. It is going to take several weeks but they are getting there.
 

Frong

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2nd Batch?

Doesn't matter if you ordered 8 hours after launch on the 19th Dec or now on the UK apple store, it is still a February delivery date for custom european orders
Yeah my guess on that sort of stuff, ie pointless to order anything before February/Mars outside of US. The only chance I buy a nmpro is an impulse buy with a delivery in 24H to 72H. And I feel unacceptable to not have any clear delivery date. The problem is if Apple plays it cautious or have trouble to anticipate the demand evolution it could last many months, that's very tedious.

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Fairly standard practise in the computer industry. Is this your first time buying a computer?
First computer I bought is the Mac+ so I doubt you have anything to learn me on the subject.

I never ever bought a computer with a delivery/availability over 3 days. But yeah I tend not hurry on last new models.

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Overall thanks to all for your thoughts. My bet is in March I'll perhaps be able buy a stock model in my country and with a delivery bellow 3 days. Alas I feel it's the more optimistic bet, more over that will be the upper model base and I feel it won't help for availability.
 
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antonis

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B. They stopped selling the old Mac Pro almost 11 months before in the EU markets.
I agree on all the other parts but this. It's not Apple that stopped selling to EU, it's EU that banned the machine due to some specific regulations. Could Apple make the necessary changes to lift the ban of MP ? Sure. But it's EU that stopped the machine from being sold. It's not a trick that Apple did in order to increase the demand in EU markets.
 

Frong

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I agree on all the other parts but this. It's not Apple that stopped selling to EU, it's EU that banned the machine due to some specific regulations. Could Apple make the necessary changes to lift the ban of MP ? Sure. But it's EU that stopped the machine from being sold. It's not a trick that Apple did in order to increase the demand in EU markets.
Ha ha I didn't knew that, any link explaining the trick?

EDIT: Ok not difficult to find one, for example:
http://www.cultofmac.com/213628/app...in-europe-due-to-new-regulation-requirements/
 

deconstruct60

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I agree on all the other parts but this. It's not Apple that stopped selling to EU, it's EU that banned the machine due to some specific regulations. Could Apple make the necessary changes to lift the ban of MP ?
Sorry that is an extremely sad excuse. It isn't like the EU jumped up in late 2011 and purposed something that surprised Apple. The regulations came out in 2008-2009. By March 2013 Apple squandered 4 years to work out a solution. The ball was aboundantly on Apple's side of the court. 4 Years to upgrade a competitive computer product and that is toooo short? Boo-hoo. Sorry but that is a "dog ate my homework" excuse. It is way past lame.

No other major system vendor got caught with their pants down on this at all. None.
 

antonis

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Sorry that is an extremely sad excuse. It isn't like the EU jumped up in late 2011 and purposed something that surprised Apple. The regulations came out in 2008-2009. By March 2013 Apple squandered 4 years to work out a solution. The ball was aboundantly on Apple's side of the court. 4 Years to upgrade a competitive computer product and that is toooo short? Boo-hoo. Sorry but that is a "dog ate my homework" excuse. It is way past lame.

No other major system vendor got caught with their pants down on this at all. None.
What exactly is "the sad excuse" ? I'm not even sure that you are actually replying to my post. Where exactly have you seen any excuse in it ? Never wrote anywhere that the time was too shot either - you got that out of the thin air (I actually wrote quite the opposite; that they could make the adjustments and lift the ban if they wanted to get back in the EU market before releasing nMP).

Apple obviously didn't consider that it was too important to do it. Regardless, the regulation changes concerning the machine's fans (which, by the way, are almost dumb - but this is something common in many EU regulations) is the fact that triggered the ban. Then it was all about Apple's decision not to follow.
 

deconstruct60

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What exactly is "the sad excuse" ?...
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Apple obviously didn't consider that it was too important to do it. Regardless, the regulation changes concerning the machine's fans (which, by the way, are almost dumb - but this is something common in many EU regulations) is the fact that triggered the ban. Then it was all about Apple's decision not to follow.
Apple's inaction triggered the ban. The rules in no way tried to pragmatically ensnare products in 2013. The primary, huge inhibitor to the Mac Pro being available in the EU in 2013 was Apple; not the EU regulators. The ban was only going to catch vendors who were snoring and asleep at the wheel. That was Apple.

The excuse is that of Apple's blatant inaction and their basically ignoring the secondary impact issues that would incur for customers. "Oh it is really the EU regulators fault". Not really at all. Apple didn't care about selling Mac Pros in the EU so there weren't any Mac Pros in the EU.
 

antonis

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Apple's inaction triggered the ban. The rules in no way tried to pragmatically ensnare products in 2013. The primary, huge inhibitor to the Mac Pro being available in the EU in 2013 was Apple; not the EU regulators. The ban was only going to catch vendors who were snoring and asleep at the wheel. That was Apple.

The excuse is that of Apple's blatant inaction and their basically ignoring the secondary impact issues that would incur for customers. "Oh it is really the EU regulators fault". Not really at all. Apple didn't care about selling Mac Pros in the EU so there weren't any Mac Pros in the EU.
I still don't see how my post implies any kind of excuse on apple's behalf. Regardless that, though, you seem to make very easy assumptions. Apple never officially declared any of the above potential excuses and EU did chose to change the regulations.

As far as I know, it's every company's right to follow or not a regulation change. When I change the rules of the game (rightfully or not) I'm the one that triggers whatever happens after that. I'll write it once more; could apple just make the changes according to EU regulations ? Sure they could. Did they have to ? Of course not.

This is not an accusation on EU, or defend for apple. It's just facts. Now, as an engineer, I do think that the specific regulations where really dumb, but that's irrelevant.
 
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