Why did Apple go with this design?

[Silly John Fatty]

It doesn't fit Mavericks at all. It's so un-Apple like, if Mavericks looked the same it would make more sense, but of course it would still be un-Apple like.

I read this article today (and the comments) and I couldn't agree more: http://tabtimes.com/analysis/ittech...apple-has-tossed-30-years-progress-out-window

I know this was probably discussed a zillion times. But I'm just wondering… what's the future now, do you believe iOS 8 is going to look more like OSX/iOS 6 again, or is the system after Mavericks going to look like iOS 7?

 

[Cougarcat]

If anything, 10.8 will look more like iOS 7. But unlike some on here, I don't think it'll be a drastic change. Influence, yes, but not a massive overhaul.

It's only "un-Apple like" because it's the first post- Steve Jobs and Forstall UI. Ive is in charge now.

 

[PNutts]

what's the future now

Ive is in charge now.

My response to both is the same: Circling the drain.

It's sad because there is no other ecosystem that compares. I guess at some point I need to decide what's "good enough" for me and step off the hardware / iOS upgrade treadmill.

 

[dannyyankou]

Because they're two different machines. It's like using an android design on a Mac. I like the fwct that they're making the designs different.

 

[LordQ]

The new iWork is how I imagine the next version of OS X; iOS 7-inspired, but not drastically simple.

 

[Silly John Fatty]

I too think that the next Mac OS will go towards the iOS 7 design. I'm not sure how iWork looks now, but Notes and Calendar have been very simplified and just look horrible.

I always thought Steve Jobs stopped having any influence on the company a long time ago, but I think the whole chaos that's been going on since he passed away just proves that this was untrue.

Also: I don't think stopping of upgrading is a solution. Because the functions themselves, and basically the whole system, are just great. I love iOS 7 for all of its new features. It's really just the design.

And at this point I have to quote a few lines from the article I posted above:

Steve Jobs had a deep and rich vision in 1981 for how user interfaces could work. If nontechnical users were going to do highly complex tasks on a computer with no training, he felt that Apple would need to make the technology disappear and the operations be utterly intuitive to nontechnical people.

The iPhone was the highest realization of Steve's vision. Unlike PC applications, iPhone apps were not merely software programs; they transformed the phone into familiar physical objects. The notepad looked like a notepad; the calendar was like holding a calendar; the clock looked like a clock.

In iOS 7, all of that is gone. Apps are now controlled with cryptic little florescent symbols that are interspersed across the screen. Everything looks the same. No more notepad; no more dials for making selections. It's all just dull software; black letters on white.

 

[Small White Car]

I read this article today (and the comments) and I couldn't agree more: http://tabtimes.com/analysis/ittech...apple-has-tossed-30-years-progress-out-window

This fool has confused some parts of iOS for all of iOS.

Yes, I recognize what he's talking about. The problems he lists are real and are spread around the system. But I completely disagree that theses things are the entirety of iOS 7 and the only way to do things.

Does 'Weather' suffer from these problems? No

Does Messages? Mail? Photos? No, no, and no

Contacts? Yeah, a little. Calendar? Yup. Settings? Mostly no, but some spots yes.

So of course I can list things that need improvement. But it's ridiculous to say that there's no hope for iOS 7 when there's tons of great design sprinkled around it. It needs refining, sure. But it's not hopeless.

 

[C DM]

If anything, 10.8 will look more like iOS 7. But unlike some on here, I don't think it'll be a drastic change. Influence, yes, but not a massive overhaul.

It's only "un-Apple like" because it's the first post- Steve Jobs and Forstall UI. Ive is in charge now.

That would be 10.10 or whatever comes after Mavericks essentially. As I recall that was/is Apple's plan when it comes to all of that.

 

[Silly John Fatty]

This fool has confused some parts of iOS for all of iOS.

Yes, I recognize what he's talking about. The problems he lists are real and are spread around the system. But I completely disagree that theses things are the entirety of iOS 7 and the only way to do things.

Does 'Weather' suffer from these problems? No

Does Messages? Mail? Photos? No, no, and no

Contacts? Yeah, a little. Calendar? Yup. Settings? Mostly no, but some spots yes.

So of course I can list things that need improvement. But it's ridiculous to say that there's no hope for iOS 7 when there's tons of great design sprinkled around it. It needs refining, sure. But it's not hopeless.

I agree, but still there's something to those apps that I don't like. Weather was more simple when it just showed the days with the weather, and if you tapped on the screen, it would show you the weather throughout the day it was. Now it shows you that no matter if you want to know it or not, as a result there's more stuff displayed on the screen = more cluttered.

Messages are fine, but another thing I can't stand is the bubbles now bouncing. It's just terrible. iOS (and also OSX) always had this "solid" feeling, mainly achieved by thing NOT bouncing. That's just like the apps slowly opening from the icon instead of them just opening. It's time waste. And same thing applies when I let my iPhone go to sleep or when I wake it up. Why this slow "gradient"? I'm in a hurry sometimes and want it to be fast, not even slower than before. I hope Apple realises their mistake to go towards the "Android-Colourful-Baby-Phone" idea and comes back to something a bit more solid and mature in the near future.

That would be 10.10 or whatever comes after Mavericks essentially. As I recall that was/is Apple's plan when it comes to all of that.

Isn't that going to be OS 11?

Edit: Probably going to look like this here Not that it looks bad, but if that seriously happens one day, I'll have to kill myself.

 

[tkermit]

iOS (and also OSX) always had this "solid" feeling, mainly achieved by thing NOT bouncing.

How do you square that with the rubber band effect at the edges of window content that iOS has had ever since the iPhone was first introduced to the public? But, yeah, I'm not convinced either that the Messages bubbles should be animated separately.

That's just like the apps slowly opening from the icon instead of them just opening.

When did apps ever "just open" on iOS? Apps used to animate in from the center of the screen. Now they animate in from their respective icon.

Edit: Probably going to look like this here Not that it looks bad, but if that seriously happens one day, I'll have to kill myself.

That obviously looks horribly terribly awful. Not that I would kill myself over it...

 

[abshole765]

If anything, 10.8 will look more like iOS 7.

That will be a sad day.

 

[edddeduck]

It doesn't fit Mavericks at all. It's so un-Apple like, if Mavericks looked the same it would make more sense, but of course it would still be un-Apple like.

I read this article today (and the comments) and I couldn't agree more: http://tabtimes.com/analysis/ittech...apple-has-tossed-30-years-progress-out-window

I know this was probably discussed a zillion times. But I'm just wondering… what's the future now, do you believe iOS 8 is going to look more like OSX/iOS 6 again, or is the system after Mavericks going to look like iOS 7?

I disagree with it entirely especially the tone, I put this article down to reaction to change. I read similar articles when OS X was released and the iPhone. Was denigrated as a toy and not for business etc. A few months later people were backtracking and years later people forgot that everyone laughed at Apple at the time.

Same thing will happen with this too I predict.

My response to both is the same: Circling the drain.

It's sad because there is no other ecosystem that compares. I guess at some point I need to decide what's "good enough" for me and step off the hardware / iOS upgrade treadmill.

Nostalgia can't beat it! I remember comments like this in every decade since the 80s. It's a little like doomsday prophesies.

Then again my prediction could be completely wrong and the new iOS 7 UI will signal the end of Apple (and perhaps the end of western civilisation leading to the end of mankind.)

Edwin

 

[Krazy Bill]

Everyone here is once again talking apples and oranges. OSX Will never be like iOS because of one simple fact: OS X will always have a filesystem.

 

[Menel]

It doesn't fit Mavericks at all. It's so un-Apple like, if Mavericks looked the same it would make more sense, but of course it would still be un-Apple like.

I read this article today (and the comments) and I couldn't agree more: http://tabtimes.com/analysis/ittech...apple-has-tossed-30-years-progress-out-window

I know this was probably discussed a zillion times. But I'm just wondering… what's the future now, do you believe iOS 8 is going to look more like OSX/iOS 6 again, or is the system after Mavericks going to look like iOS 7?

Instead of a soft green color palette, iOS uses garish, florescent colors against harsh white backgrounds.

First paragraph. I don't understand 'harsh white backgrounds'. Harsh white? What is harsh about white. It's neutral.

This forum uses a white background. Noone cries.
Google.com uses a white background, Noone cries.
CNN.com uses a white background...
...

I stopped reading. I'm not convinced the author of that article is either intelligent or worth the time to finish reading his incoherent rant.

 

[abshole765]

Harsh white? What is harsh about white. It's neutral.

There's an excessive amount of white in iOS7.

 

[edddeduck]

There's an excessive amount of white in iOS7.

Depends on the person. I don't mind change but I can see how people used to how things worked before would find the new UI a shock. However once the shock dies down I think most will find the new UI better.

A few will love the old OS but you have many people who like older OSs, many people stuck with Windows 3.11 or 95 for decades after it was no longer the latest OS.

If you don't like it you can always stay on the older OS and ignore all updates. It's a choice not like you are forced to upgrade. Many people stayed with Snow Leopard because they hated Lion (and Mountain Lion) for example. That's fine you don't get the new features good or bad but that's everyones choice.

Edwin

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Depends on the person. I don't mind change but I can see how people used to how things worked before would find the new UI a shock. However once the shock dies down I think most will find the new UI better.

A few will love the old OS but you have many people who like older OSs, many people stuck with Windows 3.11 or 95 for decades after it was no longer the latest OS.

If you don't like it you can always stay on the older OS and ignore all updates. It's a choice not like you are forced to upgrade. Many people stayed with Snow Leopard because they hated Lion (and Mountain Lion) for example. That's fine you don't get the new features good or bad but that's everyones choice.

Edwin

Until Apple stopping force iOS 7 downloads, you can say Apple is forcing you upgrade to iOS 7.

 

[158273]

This forum uses a white background.

Actually, the forum uses a very light gray when you're reading the posts. That's how iOS 6 was as well, it just seemed white because it was so pleasant on the eyes, but Settings, Music, and a lot of the other apps had a lot of light shades of gray. Now it's just all white, which is tough without f.lux.

 

[edddeduck]

Until Apple stopping force iOS 7 downloads, you can say Apple is forcing you upgrade to iOS 7.

I have used a number of iPads at our work daily and none of them are forced to upgrade, neither is my wife's iPhone... On the older iPads we use iOS 6 as it is a little faster we haven't been forced to upgrade at all!

Edwin

 

[C DM]

First paragraph. I don't understand 'harsh white backgrounds'. Harsh white? What is harsh about white. It's neutral.

This forum uses a white background. Noone cries.
Google.com uses a white background, Noone cries.
CNN.com uses a white background...
...

I stopped reading. I'm not convinced the author of that article is either intelligent or worth the time to finish reading his incoherent rant.

There are different shades though, and bright white (which can easily be harsh in various circumstances) is different than white that isn't bright or that is more off-white. Plus, no one really stares at Google or this forum or CNN.com or the web in general as much as they use (and thus stare) at their phones that now have noticeably brighter white in the vast majority of apps that one would use. So, there's definitely a difference which plays a role.

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I have used a number of iPads at our work daily and none of them are forced to upgrade, neither is my wife's iPhone... On the older iPads we use iOS 6 as it is a little faster we haven't been forced to upgrade at all!

Edwin

Did you let Apple take up a gig or two of space downloading the update for you even if you don't care about installing and using it?

 

[edddeduck]

Did you let Apple take up a gig or two of space downloading the update for you even if you don't care about installing and using it?

Fair point the waste of space is a pain but this happened with iOS6 and iOS5 (ever since OTA updates started) so not exactly news.

If I decided to stick with iOS6 I would jailbreak to get the space back but I agree you shouldn't have to.

 

[Naor]

Because it looks way better, it is more modern, it is more pleasant to the eye.

 

[Jambalaya]

Well I like the way iOS7 looks. So perhaps they went "this way" as the feedback was there were more "lovers" than "haters"

 

[Badrottie]

Maybe Jony Ives learned from Microsoft Windows 8 looks different with Surface RT and Pro?

 

[C DM]

Because it looks way better, it is more modern, it is more pleasant to the eye.

Wouldn't that be something much more subjective, while certain things like those about overuse of bright white and effects of that or other loss of usability are more objective?

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Well I like the way iOS7 looks. So perhaps they went "this way" as the feedback was there were more "lovers" than "haters"

Where is this feedback that shows that?