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You feel so inhibited by iOS7? iOS6 didn't even let you turn off your wifi without wading through menus of **** to get to it, now you don't even have to unlock your phone to make it happen.

iOS6 was extremely inhibiting.
 
So many people rave about iOS7 due to the (cheap and nasty looking) pull up control centre. I barely use it and when I do I would have had NO issue with using the settings menu instead.
Seriously, apart from the 'fresh new look' and control centre, there isn't much advancement in iOS7 and *plenty* of steps back performance wise.
 
Nevermind that it's slower on my 4S than it might be on a 5S, they got rid of/changed dozens of previously efficient and well designed features. It's far less intuitive and user friendly now. Additionally, almost every app has gotten worse with the updates, esp Twitter, Facebook and The Weather Channel.

Messages is awful as well. Why change something for the worse?? I am beyond frustrated right now, I feel like I'm so inhibited using this compared to how smooth my phone was on iOS 5. Is there any way to get a 4S or 5 running iOS 5-6 still on eBay or elsewhere?

Give me your number. Next time I'll personally call you.
 
You feel so inhibited by iOS7? iOS6 didn't even let you turn off your wifi without wading through menus of **** to get to it, now you don't even have to unlock your phone to make it happen.

iOS6 was extremely inhibiting.
So because it takes a couple of less taps to change a setting that means the whole OS is suddenly completely surperior and the previous one is somehow inhibiting because of that?
 
Am I imagining or was there another thread that you asked "should I update...." and you mentioned you played with it in the Apple stores and such? If that wasnt you sorry but there are countless threads and all the tech blogs regarding iOS7 since last June. Anyway 7.1 is coming soon and will be an improvement. iOS7 has been just fine on every 4s user I personally know and 7.1 has been fine on mine with a few glitches with some of the early betas. the 4s handles iOS7 just as well as it did iOS 6
 
So because it takes a couple of less taps to change a setting that means the whole OS is suddenly completely surperior and the previous one is somehow inhibiting because of that?

Not quite, but the fact you had to take more steps to make it happen, and that you couldn't use Siri either to do it, makes iOS7 a step forward in terms of usability. You've got more ways to do something, and easier ways to do something than you did before. That, by definition, makes it less inhibiting.
 
So because it takes a couple of less taps to change a setting that means the whole OS is suddenly completely surperior and the previous one is somehow inhibiting because of that?

That was what we in the biz call an "example". People use them now and again to provide evidence supporting the previous statement. In this case, it was incredulity at the claim that iOS7 was "inhibiting" somehow.

7 isn't perfect, but it's a damn sight more intuitive than 6.
 
That was what we in the biz call an "example". People use them now and again to provide evidence supporting the previous statement. In this case, it was incredulity at the claim that iOS7 was "inhibiting" somehow.

7 isn't perfect, but it's a damn sight more intuitive than 6.

Definitely not more intuitive. You can like it more, once you know where everything is, but a new user would have an easier time in iOS 6 than 7. Not sure if they'll address that at some point.

There are definitely enough threads warning of the shortcomings of iOS 7 though to be genuinely shocked at this point.

It's better in some ways, and worse in others. That's great if you aren't affected by any of the negative changes, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
 
Can you provide specifics as to what makes it worse? As far as I can tell most things have gotten better, the only maybe is the music app being less functional.
 
So many people rave about iOS7 due to the (cheap and nasty looking) pull up control centre. I barely use it and when I do I would have had NO issue with using the settings menu instead.
Seriously, apart from the 'fresh new look' and control centre, there isn't much advancement in iOS7 and *plenty* of steps back performance wise.
Exactly, I've had the options in control center for years. People are ignorant.
 
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Can you provide specifics as to what makes it worse? As far as I can tell most things have gotten better, the only maybe is the music app being less functional.

Messages, the most used app for most people. Everything about it is worse.

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Because most people find it to be a lot better than iOS 6.

In what ways?
 
Exactly, I've had the options in control center for years. People are ignorant.



Yeah, yeah, we know jailbreaking exists. I even used to jailbreak. Not anymore, far prefer stock iOS especially with the great iOS 7 and control center.

I think you just need one giant thread where you can complain.

Also, what has changed about messages? No features were taken away, and we even got timestamps for individual messages.
 
In what ways?

Control Center, improved Notification Center, better, cleaner, and more modern interface (IMO), improved safari, iBeacons (this will be huge especially with iOS 8), block numbers, more Siri features, swipe between screens, slo mo video, camera filters, automatic app updates, unlimited apps in folders, improved multitasking, airdrop, iTunes radio, iCloud keychain, activation lock, and so on.

Most bugs are fixed with 7.1, so it will be a very great operating system soon.
 
Yeah, yeah, we know jailbreaking exists. I even used to jailbreak. Not anymore, far prefer stock iOS especially with the great iOS 7 and control center.

I think you just need one giant thread where you can complain.

Also, what has changed about messages? No features were taken away, and we even got timestamps for individual messages.

How can you "prefer" less options and ability to customize?

Messages had a perfect system for editing convos, forwarding messages and sending pics. Now it's far less efficient and intuitive.

Time stamps have been available w jailbreak as well.

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Control Center, improved Notification Center, better, cleaner, and more modern interface (IMO), improved safari, iBeacons (this will be huge especially with iOS 8), block numbers, more Siri features, swipe between screens, slo mo video, camera filters, automatic app updates, unlimited apps in folders, improved multitasking, airdrop, iTunes radio, iCloud keychain, activation lock, and so on.

Most bugs are fixed with 7.1, so it will be a very great operating system soon.

How is Safari better?? It's way worse, they got rid of the Google bar, now when you click in the bar it does not bring up recent searches, and the entire criteria is highlighted so to edit you have to click again carefully.
 
Messages had a perfect system for editing convos, forwarding messages and sending pics. Now it's far less efficient and intuitive.

Time stamps have been available w jailbreak as well.

I must use Messages differently than you. I haven't noticed any functional difference. And having the ability to add something with a jailbreak isn't a good solution.

How is Safari better?? It's way worse, they got rid of the Google bar, now when you click in the bar it does not bring up recent searches, and the entire criteria is highlighted so to edit you have to click again carefully.

Is it really that difficult? I mean...really?
 
I must use Messages differently than you. I haven't noticed any functional difference. And having the ability to add something with a jailbreak isn't a good solution.



Is it really that difficult? I mean...really?

Yes! It is, what is so hard to understand about that? The search history not being there? That's a HUGE difference.

And how do you use messages so differently that you don't ever edit your conversations or forward texts??
 
Not quite, but the fact you had to take more steps to make it happen, and that you couldn't use Siri either to do it, makes iOS7 a step forward in terms of usability. You've got more ways to do something, and easier ways to do something than you did before. That, by definition, makes it less inhibiting.
That was what we in the biz call an "example". People use them now and again to provide evidence supporting the previous statement. In this case, it was incredulity at the claim that iOS7 was "inhibiting" somehow.

7 isn't perfect, but it's a damn sight more intuitive than 6.
And that is why Apple is adding an accessibility feature after accessibility feature which were never needed before just to make up for all the things that made iOS 7 so much more intuitive.

There are certainly usability and functionality pros like Control Center (which still not everyone even ends up using or caring about), but there are certainly plenty of at least usability cons (certainly more for some then others and there are some that also don't really care about those cons either). So, yes, it's not all bad, but it's also not all good either--and the balance of those two can and is different for different people.
 
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Yes! It is, what is so hard to understand about that? The search history not being there? That's a HUGE difference.

Because history is right there as soon as I start typing, based on what I've typed. How often do you need to search for the exact same thing?

And how do you use messages so differently that you don't ever edit your conversations or forward texts??

Edit my conversations? As in delete messages from a conversation thread? No I don't do that, I don't have any need to. And I've forwarded messages in the past, but not on any regular basis so the changed functionality isn't a big deal.
 
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Yes! It is, what is so hard to understand about that? The search history not being there? That's a HUGE difference.

And how do you use messages so differently that you don't ever edit your conversations or forward texts??

go to google.com, it will have your recent searches there. there's also a history button at the bottom of safari. not that difficult.
 
How is Safari better?? It's way worse, they got rid of the Google bar, now when you click in the bar it does not bring up recent searches, and the entire criteria is highlighted so to edit you have to click again carefully.

Unlimited tabs (ok 25, but that's more than plenty), iCloud keychain, shared links, fullscreen browsing, swipe gestures, improved favorites view, etc.
 
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