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I have been noticing so many Iphone 4 users upset that AT&T is not giving them some kind of break on getting an Iphone 4S.

Why should they? You bought the I4 on a 2 year contract deal. AT&T had to suck up part of the cost of that phone with an assumption they would get it back over the next two years. When you get the next phone, they will have to suck up more of the cost.

I just do not get why people are upset with them. In fact, it is amazing they are offering the November deal.
 
Ha. You think this board is bad? You should see the ATT forums. The entitlement mentality will blow your mind.

I bought the iphone day of launch also and can't upgrade until 2/2012 if I can't upgrade early I am going to leave att. It's not worth it to me to stay with ATT. They arey way overpriced for plans as is.
AT&T in the past has allowed existing iPhone owners to upgrade for the reduced/discounted price. I feel failure to do so once again would result in a flight of AT&T customers heading to Verizon / Sprint. Afterall, one could simply break the contract, sell the iPhone 4 to cover the cost of breaking the contract, and then head over to a competing provider for the discounted price. AT&T would be silly to push loyal customers away - - but now the choice is up to the suits at AT&T...

I bought my iPhone 4 on launch day (6-24-2010). My account is on auto-pay, so it's never late. I have a single iphone 4 with data and unlimited text resulting in a bill over $100 a month. I have not changed my plan, number, market, or billing date in the last year.

Until April 5, 2011 my upgrade eligaibility date was 6-24-2011...1 year after my last activation...makes sense. On April 5, 2011, AT&T without explanation changed mine and many other early adopter's upgrade eligability dates to 11-24-2011 (Thanksgiving)...AT&T has yet to be able to explain this.

Apple (and AT&T via website and *639#) both tell me that I have to pay $250 MORE for an iPhone 4S on launch day. My Early Termination Fee (ETF) is only $175....now besides maintaining my unlimited data plan why wouldn't I just cancel my current line of service and get a new line with AT&T or go to another carrier?

AT&T has less than 3 days to tell the world if they are going to penalize early adopters or do right by them...its the same drama we had the last time an iPhone was announced and its beyond idiotic.

Looking for an OFFICIAL AT&T response, other than telling me they are sorry, or how to check my upgrade date, or that they have no idea how this happened.
 
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Well they let us upgrade early with every release so were used to it and now expect it.

I was thinking AT&T would do this at least one more time to lock in people before a LTE phone comes out next year. Since AT&T isn't even trying to build up their LTE network it would give them another year to do so.

If I can't upgrade this time, I will just wait it out till a LTE iPhone comes out on Verizon.
 
It is in AT&T's best interest to allow a fully subsidized upgrade prior to the end of the contract.

Scenario A: Customer isn't eligible until the end of their 2-year commitment. Since at that point their contract is over, they are free to choose among any of the carriers. Some will remain with AT&T, some won't.

Scenario B: Suppose AT&T moved up eligibility to the 18-month mark. Customer still has 6 months on their contract, but they can buy an AT&T iPhone 4S fully subsidized (with a 2-year contract extension). Now the customer's choice is get the iPhone 4S now on AT&T, or wait 6 months and get it on Verizon/Sprint.

Which scenario benefits AT&T more?

Personally, my upgrade eligibility date is 11/5/11 - so I hope they offer at least a small amnesty :) but if they don't, not the end of the world to wait a month.
 
I have been noticing so many Iphone 4 users upset that AT&T is not giving them some kind of break on getting an Iphone 4S.

Why should they? You bought the I4 on a 2 year contract deal. AT&T had to suck up part of the cost of that phone with an assumption they would get it back over the next two years. When you get the next phone, they will have to suck up more of the cost.

I just do not get why people are upset with them. In fact, it is amazing they are offering the November deal.

My bill is 80 dollars a month, and that's at a discount. That's 960 dollars they have from me in one year. How does that not make up for what they subsidized for me?
 
My bill is 80 dollars a month, and that's at a discount. That's 960 dollars they have from me in one year. How does that not make up for what they subsidized for me?

The cost of running their business is a hell of a lot more than just handset subsidy...
 
My bill is 80 dollars a month, and that's at a discount. That's 960 dollars they have from me in one year. How does that not make up for what they subsidized for me?

Cell phone towers don't build theselves. Employees will not work for free. Buildings can't be built without materials.

It is a lot more than just subsidizing your handset.
 
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dontwalkhand said:
cmChimera said:
My bill is 80 dollars a month, and that's at a discount. That's 960 dollars they have from me in one year. How does that not make up for what they subsidized for me?

Cell phone towers don't build theselves. Employees will not work for free. Buildings can't be built without materials.

It is a lot more than just subsidizing your handset.

Yeah I bet they are paying their employees top dollar. Oh please we all know that most of the money goes to execs and stock holders that don't do any of the actual work.

Bet most AT&T employees don't even make enough to afford to live on their own.
 
I think for most carriers, your upgrade eligibility for a discounted handset is typically 18-21 months into a 24 month contract.

If you are so mad about upgrade eligibility and all those issues, take them out of the equation. Just start buying every phone direct from Apple contract-free and unlocked. No more bitching at carriers, no more termination fees, and you can even take it to any carrier you want whenever you want with 0 penalties.

If that $649 price tag gives you the shivers, then be glad AT&T or Verizon are willing to eat $450 of that for you, in exchange for a commitment to make it worth their while.


Yeah I bet they are paying their employees top dollar. Oh please we all know that most of the money goes to execs and stock holders that don't do any of the actual work.

Bet most AT&T employees don't even make enough to afford to live on their own.

I've worked for AT&T in the past and they pay competitive wages (every company has to pay market wages to retain the best talent). I don't think there's any AT&T employees working on minimum wage. Hell, even their retail staff gets around $14+ an hour, plus benefits.

Besides, running and operating towers, expanding infrastructure, doing customer service, etc. all costs money. Big money. Think about it. After the handset subsidy (which takes out $500 out of the $2000 you pay them over the course of a 2 year contract), that leaves them with $62 per month per customer.

A typical US-based worker earns about $3k a month and costs the company about $4k a month with administrative costs, payroll taxes, etc. included. It takes 65 subscribers to pay the salary of a SINGLE average paid worker.

Do you know how many workers it takes to run a phone company? A LOT. And they don't all make as little as $36k a year in salary either.

Yeah, they make some profits, but if they start making exceptions for MILLIONS of customers, how much would that cost them? If there's 10 million iPhone subscribers being given a $450 subsidy every year, thats an extra $4.5 BILLION in lost revenue ($9 billion lost over 2 years, where as the company budgeted for $4.5 billion). That's $4.5 billion the company won't have to build new towers, increase coverage, lower prices of their plans, etc.

So what the next step is going to be is to cut down on plans, like unlimited internet. Increase costs of minutes and texting etc. But of course every time the company does that to make up the shortfalls caused by bitching customers over handset subsidies, these same people cry foul there too.
 
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Yeah I bet they are paying their employees top dollar. Oh please we all know that most of the money goes to execs and stock holders that don't do any of the actual work.

Bet most AT&T employees don't even make enough to afford to live on their own.

Well that's a stupid assumption to make...
 
Att fanboys... Here's why: provider contracts are monopolistic jive! Let us buy the phone ourselves with no data plan requirement? How bout the fact that even a cheap $50 handset locks you into 2 years, whether or not you buy it yourself. Apple makes a product we want, and now we get screwed every time they make a new one? This isnt entitlement on our part, it's on the cell companies thinking they are entitled to lock us into 2 year contracts!
 
I have been noticing so many Iphone 4 users upset that AT&T is not giving them some kind of break on getting an Iphone 4S.
People whine about this with every iPhone release. It's nothing new, and it'll happen with every future iPhone release. It's as reliable as the sunrise. :D
 
...This isnt entitlement on our part, it's on the cell companies thinking they are entitled to lock us into 2 year contracts!

They do offer a $10 phone with no contract. You can quit anytime you want. No contract.

Or you can pay $600+ for the Iphone and quit anytime you want. No contract.

Or buy the iphone at a reduced price and sign for two years.


Bottom line. Your choice.
 
They do offer a $10 phone with no contract. You can quit anytime you want. No contract.

Or you can pay $600+ for the Iphone and quit anytime you want. No contract.

Or buy the iphone at a reduced price and sign for two years.


Bottom line. Your choice.

That's what I'm doing. Selling my 3GS. Using that money towards a 4S and then I won't be locked in for the next phone.
 
Cell phone towers don't build theselves. Employees will not work for free. Buildings can't be built without materials.

It is a lot more than just subsidizing your handset.

Yeah, it includes charging me 20 dollars to send text messages, when it costs them nothing. They are getting a profit off of my phone bill regardless if I have an iPhone or a Pantech Breeze. The idea that this is a company that can barely make ends meet is a tad bit laughable.
 
I have been noticing so many Iphone 4 users upset that AT&T is not giving them some kind of break on getting an Iphone 4S.

Why should they? You bought the I4 on a 2 year contract deal. AT&T had to suck up part of the cost of that phone with an assumption they would get it back over the next two years. When you get the next phone, they will have to suck up more of the cost.

I just do not get why people are upset with them. In fact, it is amazing they are offering the November deal.

Because most people (and even more so for people on here) are whiny, bratty selfish beings that feel like they are entitled to everything they want. Example: I want a new phone. The one I was looking at isn't quite what I wanted or expected, so what do I do?

Normally, someone would realize it's a just a phone, there will be others coming out, and they should just get the one that suits there needs.

The people I mentioned however, see this as a personal attack on them, that somehow a company owes them something and that they shouldn't have to exert any effort or monetary amount to get what they want. I signed a 2 year contract? So what, they owe me a phone, preferably free, and if it's not the specs I've been pleasuring myself to for the last 16 months, then they're probably working with Satan...but I'm going to buy the phone, continue to complain about it for 12 months, then rinse and repeat.
 
Because most people (and even more so for people on here) are whiny, bratty selfish beings that feel like they are entitled to everything they want. Example: I want a new phone. The one I was looking at isn't quite what I wanted or expected, so what do I do?
Very true. However, complicating all this is the fact that AT&T has, in previous years, allowed some customers on a 2-year plan to upgrade after only something like 20 months. I don't know if AT&T is still doing this, though.
 
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Because AT&T likes to give upgrades to people they think they will get more money out of. I have the same complaint and asked here at the forums, and apparently if your phone pays more that $100 then they like to give you an upgrade. So basically someone who signed the same contract at the same time will be getting an upgrade and i am not. Now usually only the primary line is the line that pays the most so the other lines are out of luck. Apparently they have been moving people for this reason, but they have been doing this for a while and its not exactly a policy so that is why everyone thinks they can get one. This includes myself by the way, AT&T costumer service "had no Knowledge of this" and were sorry for the "misinformation" so I'm going to a store.
 
Because most people (and even more so for people on here) are whiny, bratty selfish beings that feel like they are entitled to everything they want. Example: I want a new phone. The one I was looking at isn't quite what I wanted or expected, so what do I do?

Normally, someone would realize it's a just a phone, there will be others coming out, and they should just get the one that suits there needs.

The people I mentioned however, see this as a personal attack on them, that somehow a company owes them something and that they shouldn't have to exert any effort or monetary amount to get what they want. I signed a 2 year contract? So what, they owe me a phone, preferably free, and if it's not the specs I've been pleasuring myself to for the last 16 months, then they're probably working with Satan...but I'm going to buy the phone, continue to complain about it for 12 months, then rinse and repeat.

This.
 
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