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Why do PC users hate Macs?
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its called a "comfort zone".
most pc users hate windows and (think) they hate the mac. have you ever actually heard anyone say how much they enjoy windows? how cool its apps are? ever heard someone just say "wow" or even be speechless? no.
pc users are comportable with their situation and they dont want to change. its sort of akin to people staying in bad relationships. they dont want to go through the trouble of learning something else and dont want to take a risk. devil you know better than the devil you dont know sort of thing.
most people i know that i have actually convinced to sit down with a mac with an objective mind have loved it...hands down. now we just have to make the rest of the world "uncomfortable".
most pc users hate windows and (think) they hate the mac. have you ever actually heard anyone say how much they enjoy windows? how cool its apps are? ever heard someone just say "wow" or even be speechless? no.
pc users are comportable with their situation and they dont want to change. its sort of akin to people staying in bad relationships. they dont want to go through the trouble of learning something else and dont want to take a risk. devil you know better than the devil you dont know sort of thing.
most people i know that i have actually convinced to sit down with a mac with an objective mind have loved it...hands down. now we just have to make the rest of the world "uncomfortable".
Using a Mac for the last 4 years had made me stupid ...
my parents are on a PC and when they ask me how to fix it ... i usually don't know because i haven't had to solve a technical problem since the day i got my mac.
i've heard people ague against the mac being to easy to use -- this i will never understand, i mean do these people have so little to do with their time that they need a problem to keep them occupied. In the last two weeks i spend more time trying to fix my parents computer then they spent working on it.
my mom asked me what are you doing different then me that your computer doesn't break ... my response ... i run a mac.
one guy argued about crappy tech support from apple ... well my response to these kind of arguments are: thats because Macs rearly have problems, you have to be doing something really, really stupid in order for the thing to break. And second ... any company that needs a really good costumer service support line. is doing something wrong if they have so many calls that the people have to be expertly trained in fixing things ... well if they are know issues why not fix them before sending them out. DUH
my parents are on a PC and when they ask me how to fix it ... i usually don't know because i haven't had to solve a technical problem since the day i got my mac.
i've heard people ague against the mac being to easy to use -- this i will never understand, i mean do these people have so little to do with their time that they need a problem to keep them occupied. In the last two weeks i spend more time trying to fix my parents computer then they spent working on it.
my mom asked me what are you doing different then me that your computer doesn't break ... my response ... i run a mac.
one guy argued about crappy tech support from apple ... well my response to these kind of arguments are: thats because Macs rearly have problems, you have to be doing something really, really stupid in order for the thing to break. And second ... any company that needs a really good costumer service support line. is doing something wrong if they have so many calls that the people have to be expertly trained in fixing things ... well if they are know issues why not fix them before sending them out. DUH
True... been hashed over.... so I go again.
Several camps:
"It's not what I use" -because they think they are right.
"It's not what everyone uses" -they are misinformed.
"They can't DO anything" -the last Mac they used was an LCII.
In all I dismiss them out of hand. Being an ex-Mac zeolot, I don't have time for that any more, so I never jump into the fray.
This is the best time to look at the Mac as an alternative. For those not willing to look, so what?
I think, the PC users that do hate macs, most don't even really care either way, hate it because of probably two reasons: one is they have a bad experience with pre-OS X (not two mouse button support ect) and "its what everyone else does." Its that simple really.
I think though, things like OS X, beautiful systems, G5 and all the cool software, oh and the iPod have/are helping apples image change from "your dorky granpa's" old computer to something "cool." Things like this take time, a lot of time, but if things stay the way they are, and apple doesn't become some wierd dorky (ducking flames
) computer company again (steve leaves), things should be fine.
I think though, things like OS X, beautiful systems, G5 and all the cool software, oh and the iPod have/are helping apples image change from "your dorky granpa's" old computer to something "cool." Things like this take time, a lot of time, but if things stay the way they are, and apple doesn't become some wierd dorky (ducking flames
) computer company again (steve leaves), things should be fine.
My response was going to be right along these lines: ignorance, and the bandwagon effect.
In high school I was a Mac-basher, largely out of ignorance. I figured if there wasn't a DOS-like command line behind the scenes, it couldn't be much of a serious computer, now could it? It did help that our Macs were all LC II's (one LC III) and the software was limited to ClarisWorks, ThinkPascal, and some other basics (this was 1994-1996). I was still using WordPerfect 5.1 at home (remember that lovely blue screen?) and thought it was far more serious, because it made use of the function keys (ooh, ahh).
On one of the school's few PowerMacs, I played around and discovered that you could have it speak out SimpleText files. So I typed up some self-demeaning expressions, and made the Mac read them out (ex: "I wish I was a real computer..."). Funny enough, while that PowerMac could do this out of the box, my parents' home PC with *added* sound card couldn't do it. Hell, I don't know of any wintel computer today that can do that out of the box.
I grudgingly got a Mac for college, and by sophomore year had completely flipped on the issue.
So the point of all this rambling is... ignorance leads to dismissal of Macs. Which can be expressed in a juvenile manner as "I hate Macs" (or MACs
).I'll be quiet now.
I was a PC power user and would bash Macs with my friends any chance I got. I never sat down in front of one but just being on the Windows side, it was standard practice to want to kick a Mac. That changed, however, after using a Wallstreet PowerBook with OS 8.6 for about 5 minutes at CompUSA, then going to Apple's website and seeing the insanely cool B&W G3 that was way beyond anything that PCs had. After that, I saved up and bought a 400 MHz Lombard PowerBook and the rest is histroy.
Because they're ignorant. That's all there is to it. I work with a bunch of them, so I know what it's like. Oh, and I used to be one of them until I saw the light at the end of the tunnel.
like its been said on both the MacRumors and Overclockers.com forums (regarding the "PC'd G5"), once you reach the higher echelons of computer users, they tend to bash each other's platforms less and less as they realize the pros and cons of both the architecture and the platform, etc.
Those bashers are nothing more than uninformed and biased people who don't know what they're talking about.
It depends on what you do, not what you are using to do it.
Those bashers are nothing more than uninformed and biased people who don't know what they're talking about.
It depends on what you do, not what you are using to do it.
Sometimes i think i might wanna try a Mac, but then i consider the money involved at this point, as a college student, and the fact is i can't afford it at this point.
The only Mac we have at my university is a poor old G3 in the Chemistry library...running 9.2 lol
I have a funny feeling that there are plenty G5's in the Comp Sci building. Too bad i'm not a Comp Sci major so i cannot even scan into the labs! (be it Linux or Mac ones)...
I could see into the Linux lab, they were using your generic silver Antec "Alienware of 01" cases.
The more i think about it, maybe its simply a time/money/personal commitment. Right now, i don't know if i have time to mess around on a Mac to learn to use it. Yeah, in time (4-6 months), i'll be messing around in terminal the same way i mess around the registry/bios. Problem is Unix kinda scares me b/c it is more of a "comp sci majors" language. Will i be able to turn into a power user? Sure, but it's gonna take time, but more importantly money. No way i'm getting a G4 now with the G5's out, but who has 1700 or even 2,000 dollars to spend when i have my grades to take of first? Maybe i'll try it out in the summer.
The only Mac we have at my university is a poor old G3 in the Chemistry library...running 9.2 lol
I have a funny feeling that there are plenty G5's in the Comp Sci building. Too bad i'm not a Comp Sci major so i cannot even scan into the labs! (be it Linux or Mac ones)...
I could see into the Linux lab, they were using your generic silver Antec "Alienware of 01" cases.
The more i think about it, maybe its simply a time/money/personal commitment. Right now, i don't know if i have time to mess around on a Mac to learn to use it. Yeah, in time (4-6 months), i'll be messing around in terminal the same way i mess around the registry/bios. Problem is Unix kinda scares me b/c it is more of a "comp sci majors" language. Will i be able to turn into a power user? Sure, but it's gonna take time, but more importantly money. No way i'm getting a G4 now with the G5's out, but who has 1700 or even 2,000 dollars to spend when i have my grades to take of first? Maybe i'll try it out in the summer.
I like how Steve Jobs put it -- Apple's market share is bigger than BMW's or Daimler's and what's wrong with being BMW?
I think the root of the "hatred" if you can call it that, is ignorance. And I don't think it's "PC users" that have a problem. Rather it's "Windows users." I know, because I used to be one.
Hi, may name is 3ric and I am a recovering Windows user.
("Hi 3ric!")
Anyway...
I rode the Wintel platform all through the 90's, and any time the subject of the Mac came up, I basically laughed. My experience was limited to a few half-hearted goes at Dark Castle on a circa 1986 Mac (you know, the shoebox form factor). When I really used a computer (for writing in college) it was on the old IBM XT, which was pretty much all that was available in them days, unless you were willing to tread into VAX territory. (Being a biology major, I wasn't.)
Anyway, my job led me to develop Windows-centric skills. You know the story, most people are hard pressed to do much with Windows so some kind of "expert" is needed to do handholding. During this time I had 0 experience with Macs. When the subject came up, I always opined that the platform was near death and a bad investment. (And, you know if Amelio et al were still around...) I read Dvorak, built my own PCs from emerging computer shows, and so on. Most notable, though, is my ignorance of Macs. You couldn't "get under the hood" -- there was no CLI. Thus, this wasn't a "real" computer. I think it was partly an ego thing.
A buddy of mine, a longtime Machead, convinced me to try it out, saying if I didn't like it I could return it within the 30-day period. (This was 1999.) So off I went to buy a new B/W G3. A couple weeks later Apple announced the G4. I ordered one the next day, returned my G3, and the rest is history.
Bottom line, it's not hatred. It's ignorance. I find Linux users (arguably "PC users" themselves) to be more benign to the Mac. That's one reason why I said it's not PC users with the problem -- it's Windows users. Also, the Mac is a PC, strictly speaking.
(Note: I still use an old Windows box to check how my web pages look on that platform. So at least Windows is good for something!)
I think the root of the "hatred" if you can call it that, is ignorance. And I don't think it's "PC users" that have a problem. Rather it's "Windows users." I know, because I used to be one.
Hi, may name is 3ric and I am a recovering Windows user.
("Hi 3ric!")
Anyway...
I rode the Wintel platform all through the 90's, and any time the subject of the Mac came up, I basically laughed. My experience was limited to a few half-hearted goes at Dark Castle on a circa 1986 Mac (you know, the shoebox form factor). When I really used a computer (for writing in college) it was on the old IBM XT, which was pretty much all that was available in them days, unless you were willing to tread into VAX territory. (Being a biology major, I wasn't.)
Anyway, my job led me to develop Windows-centric skills. You know the story, most people are hard pressed to do much with Windows so some kind of "expert" is needed to do handholding. During this time I had 0 experience with Macs. When the subject came up, I always opined that the platform was near death and a bad investment. (And, you know if Amelio et al were still around...) I read Dvorak, built my own PCs from emerging computer shows, and so on. Most notable, though, is my ignorance of Macs. You couldn't "get under the hood" -- there was no CLI. Thus, this wasn't a "real" computer. I think it was partly an ego thing.
A buddy of mine, a longtime Machead, convinced me to try it out, saying if I didn't like it I could return it within the 30-day period. (This was 1999.) So off I went to buy a new B/W G3. A couple weeks later Apple announced the G4. I ordered one the next day, returned my G3, and the rest is history.
Bottom line, it's not hatred. It's ignorance. I find Linux users (arguably "PC users" themselves) to be more benign to the Mac. That's one reason why I said it's not PC users with the problem -- it's Windows users. Also, the Mac is a PC, strictly speaking.
(Note: I still use an old Windows box to check how my web pages look on that platform. So at least Windows is good for something!)
that's bs...apple used to be bigger than the big three in detroit times two and now 95 percent of people use microsoft windows...we failed for domination but we still have the better os and for me that's all that matters
I find it totally mind-blowing that we've spent this much time and wasted so many good letters applauding / bashing each others computer system of choice. Who reallllly cares? What difference does it really make in the overall scheme of things. We each use the platform that we have come to love and that should be end of story.
Been there, done that and owned both...
Can't we all just "Get along".
Been there, done that and owned both...
Can't we all just "Get along".
not many people see it that way
my dad got laptop (some generic name) and comes in touting it all proud that he payed like 600 or 700 CND for it ... and looks at me like a crazy person when i tell him to spend the 1500$ on a 12inch iBook... that'll do all the things he wants without the hassle
mind you his laptop is only used for email and banking and exel and the software package his clinic runs on ... but he's really trying to get into digital editing ... and i know he has aspirations to editing our old vacation videos ...
and the iBook can handle that ... his laptop ... i tried and failed
nope i just got a good idea for a progarm. but i dont know how to use xcode. is they any website? that can tell a thing or two on xcode
Asian pespective on Mac user...
Well, I still consider myself a recent switcher... Haven't celebrate my 1st anniversary with my beloved iBook G3
My PC days on Win98 and it's bloody unstable. Probably due to my habit in computing. I like to install and uninstall new software... just to try it out and the result is 'Blue Screen Of Death'.
That's why I love Mac. No corrupted DLL files to worry about. Not to mention heaps of security patches and viruses
Frankly I still couldn't see myself buying a desktop Mac.
Reason? It's expensive. Coz in asia, the price of clone computers is just too cheap compared to CBU Macs.
A P4 2G, 512Mb, 15 inch LCD cost round USD500 or so. Just can't justify to splurge thousands for a Mac, altough I'd love iMacs. That's reality for me.
Mac portables is just so cool, especially the sleep function! I do presentation on the go and I don't need to boot up and wait for eternity.
Just my 0.02 Euros...
Oh yeah, my boss used to laugh at me for sticking out like a sore thumb (he's a portable PC user). Claiming non compatibility with the business world and such...
I get the last laugh that day, coz the whole office network is down with virus infection (dunno what it's called) and I'm the last man standing... Err, I mean typing. If you know what I mean
Well, I still consider myself a recent switcher... Haven't celebrate my 1st anniversary with my beloved iBook G3
My PC days on Win98
and it's bloody unstable. Probably due to my habit in computing. I like to install and uninstall new software... just to try it out and the result is 'Blue Screen Of Death'.That's why I love Mac. No corrupted DLL files to worry about. Not to mention heaps of security patches and viruses
Frankly I still couldn't see myself buying a desktop Mac.
Reason? It's expensive. Coz in asia, the price of clone computers is just too cheap compared to CBU Macs.
A P4 2G, 512Mb, 15 inch LCD cost round USD500 or so. Just can't justify to splurge thousands for a Mac, altough I'd love iMacs. That's reality for me.
Mac portables is just so cool, especially the sleep function! I do presentation on the go and I don't need to boot up and wait for eternity.
Just my 0.02 Euros...
Oh yeah, my boss used to laugh at me for sticking out like a sore thumb (he's a portable PC user). Claiming non compatibility with the business world and such...
I get the last laugh that day, coz the whole office network is down with virus infection (dunno what it's called) and I'm the last man standing... Err, I mean typing. If you know what I mean
a mac is not that much more expensive when you consider the time and money saved with repair bills...that's why i am a pc tech and tutor
i could never make it as a mac tech/tutor...they don't break down nearly as often, there are 19 times fewer macs, people don't need that much tutoring on the mac if they are computer newbies since the mac os is far more intuitive and easy to use, and the software for macs works much better and with fewer problems than windows and that could either be 1) the better mac os, and/or 2) less emphasis on profit around the mac world in general and more liklihood for the software company to get it right the first time
but for someone who knows nothing about computers, the pc with its initially lower price tag ($799 laptops and $399 dollar desktops) appear to be the much better deal and the pcs offer more software off the bat and more ram
and even if all things were fair and prices were exactly the same on desktops and laptops, the pc software titles right off the shelf at office depot, office max, staples, compusa, and other major places are everywhere...one has to search hard to find mac stuff at those places