Why do people hate thunderbolt 3?

[Navysteve232]

serious question? I mean money aside do you people realize how amazing these ports are? Take your Macpro on the go and then when you get home to do serious work BAM external 4K monitor 60hz BAM external gpu. So you have to buy a dock... I have been so sick of being cable speed limited for so long and it’s amazing with these guys! A MBP 15” becomes an ungodly powerhouse with all of that. Most new laptops from the windows camp that have usbc still conform to usb 3 speeds, so basically useless. Yes the keyboard sucks, yes the ram situation is abysmal... but usbc thunderbolt 3 sucking? I LOVED mag safe but honestly I love this more. I mean come on guys you don’t buy a Mac for the cheap cheap anyways why would you NOT want all of that power at your fingertips. You go from needing a beefy desktop or iMac AND a laptop to just needing a macpro, it’s revolutionary. Please someone enlighten me?!

 

[flyinmac]

Answers already existing in the hundreds of posts and threads that have been redundantly made.

No point in starting another thread.

Obviously just a fishing attempt by a first post newbie to get people arguing.

This post should be moved and dropped into one of the existing debate threads. Or simply deleted.

The way the post is written, it’s bait. And is better suited for PRSI.

 

[t8er8]

Answers already existing in the hundreds of posts and threads that have been redundantly made.

No point in starting another thread.

Obviously just a fishing attempt by a first post newbie to get people arguing.

This post should be moved and dropped into one of the existing debate threads. Or simply deleted.

The way the post is written, it’s bait. And is better suited for PRSI.

I disagree, he’s bringing up a problem or controversial issue that he would like to get different positions on and feedback from, doesn’t matter if this is bait or not, it’s a perfectly legitimate question. Stop jumping to conclusions and rather than complain, bring up a conversation. Really makes no difference if theirs countless threads already asking the same question, you could say the same to most threads posted here. I think he’s looking for a direct answer for a quite direct question, and looking for opposing views whilst bringing his stance to the table.

 

[Navysteve232]

I’m sorry if my post was redundant I have been searching the web all day not finding much on the topic so I made an account to ask, if there is a way to delete or if I need to fix the placement please let me know!

 

[profdraper]

Wasn't aware it was 'hated'; in any case, is transitory like all such things. Is not Apple specific, they rarely invent anything, but buy in, adapt & re-package from the wider tech world. Its the current 'latest' and appears on most of the current gen of MoBos (Asus, Gigabyte etc etc) ... until the next one, c/- Intel or similar.
https://www.prosoundnetwork.com/pro-sound-news-blog/is-thunderbolt-3-the-data-savior
http://au.pcmag.com/laptops/29054/feature/what-is-usb-c-an-explainer
https://www.computerworld.com/artic...o-get-the-most-from-it-and-why-its-great.html

 

[ssgbryan]

Short answer -

It has 1/4 the speed of a PCIE slot.

 

[h9826790]

serious question? I mean money aside do you people realize how amazing these ports are? Take your Macpro on the go and then when you get home to do serious work BAM external 4K monitor 60hz BAM external gpu. So you have to buy a dock... I have been so sick of being cable speed limited for so long and it’s amazing with these guys! A MBP 15” becomes an ungodly powerhouse with all of that. Most new laptops from the windows camp that have usbc still conform to usb 3 speeds, so basically useless. Yes the keyboard sucks, yes the ram situation is abysmal... but usbc thunderbolt 3 sucking? I LOVED mag safe but honestly I love this more. I mean come on guys you don’t buy a Mac for the cheap cheap anyways why would you NOT want all of that power at your fingertips. You go from needing a beefy desktop or iMac AND a laptop to just needing a macpro, it’s revolutionary. Please someone enlighten me?!

I don’t know who hate TB 3.

I absolutely prefer my cMP has TB3 if I can. What I hate is my computer only has TB 3 but lost the PCIe slots (which has much higher bandwidth than TB3) and all other useful ports (e.g. USB type A, which is still the most popular port today. Or those internal SATA ports). Also TB 3 won't help if I want more CPU power.

And no, I don't need a laptop. I don't need the nMP as well. I just need a real desktop which can deliver the processing power I want, accommodate all my drives, and has proper cooling (TB 3 won't help cooling as well, it's not a solution for everything). And so far, all Macs has TB 3 doesn't have proper cooling.

To sum up, I don’t hate TB3 at all, but just coincidentally don’t like all Mac that has TB 3 due to their “design”.

 

[iGobbleoff]

I think OP means MacBook Pro, not the Mac Pro

 

[h9826790]

I think OP means MacBook Pro, not the Mac Pro

Possible, he mixed used Mac Pro and MacBook Pro. Hard to tell if posted on the wrong forum or not. But by considering Mac Pro has no TB 3, most likely you are correct.

 

[OS6-OSX]

No point in starting another thread.
This post should be moved and dropped into one of the existing debate threads. Or simply deleted.

Well, before it gets deleted I'd like to remind everyone of the up coming elections. The office of, "The Most Helpful Forum Member" is vacant. I suggest voting for h9826790! This person seems to help any and everyone that posts!
Stop by the election headquarters and pick up a few flyers to hand out. And yes there is TB3 on that special iMac on the desk on the right. So I guess this post is relevant!

 

[barmann]

serious question? I mean money aside do you people realize how amazing these ports are? Take your Macpro on the go and then when you get home to do serious work BAM external 4K monitor 60hz BAM external gpu. So you have to buy a dock... I have been so sick of being cable speed limited for so long and it’s amazing with these guys! A MBP 15” becomes an ungodly powerhouse with all of that. Most new laptops from the windows camp that have usbc still conform to usb 3 speeds, so basically useless. Yes the keyboard sucks, yes the ram situation is abysmal... but usbc thunderbolt 3 sucking? I LOVED mag safe but honestly I love this more. I mean come on guys you don’t buy a Mac for the cheap cheap anyways why would you NOT want all of that power at your fingertips. You go from needing a beefy desktop or iMac AND a laptop to just needing a macpro, it’s revolutionary. Please someone enlighten me?!

I hate TB3 because it knows no paragraphs .
Neither does USB-C, so I hate that too .

 

[mroy16]

Short answer -

It has 1/4 the speed of a PCIE slot.

Uh. You realize that TB3 bandwidth is effectively PCIe 3.0 4x, right? It has 1/4 the speed of a PCIe 3.0 16x slot, but almost nothing saturates that bandwidth. It's standard to put graphics cards in 16x slots, but they're not running at saturation.

Also, please show me a laptop that has convenient external PCIe slots. TB3 brings PCIe speeds to external connectivity.

 

[BlueTide]

I don't hate TB at all, but I am bummed by short cables. Makes it far less useful if everything needs to be within a few meters, especially since there would be so much promise for longer cabling. Well, and device support sucks a bit too.

 

[mroy16]

Cables are short because TB3 is also designed for power transmission at fairly high wattage. In theory, powerless fiber cables are an option for longer-distance data transmission, but I haven't seen any yet. TB2 definitely had a few fiber options. Hopefully TB3 will see similar developments.

 

[BlueTide]

Cables are short because TB3 is also designed for power transmission at fairly high wattage. In theory, powerless fiber cables are an option for longer-distance data transmission, but I haven't seen any yet. TB2 definitely had a few fiber options. Hopefully TB3 will see similar developments.

I know. And have been waiting for what feels like an eternity now - not that it matters too much given the situation with Mac Pro. And getting to the phase where I start to give up faith and just forget the whole TB thing.

 

[DearthnVader]

It's just TB3's personality, I mean it goes about all day bragging about how much faster that USB3.x it is. Then it goes about mocking MXM cards with how much easier it is to connect full blown workstation graphics.

I mean really, it's just so cocky and arrogant. It has no manners and I won't be inviting it to my next dinner party.

 

[ActionableMango]

serious question? I mean money aside do you people realize how amazing these ports are? Take your Macpro on the go and then when you get home to do serious work BAM external 4K monitor 60hz BAM external gpu. So you have to buy a dock... I have been so sick of being cable speed limited for so long and it’s amazing with these guys! A MBP 15” becomes an ungodly powerhouse with all of that. Most new laptops from the windows camp that have usbc still conform to usb 3 speeds, so basically useless. Yes the keyboard sucks, yes the ram situation is abysmal... but usbc thunderbolt 3 sucking? I LOVED mag safe but honestly I love this more. I mean come on guys you don’t buy a Mac for the cheap cheap anyways why would you NOT want all of that power at your fingertips. You go from needing a beefy desktop or iMac AND a laptop to just needing a macpro, it’s revolutionary. Please someone enlighten me?!

This is the Mac Pro (desktop) forum. The current Mac Pro doesn't have TB3, and the older Mac Pro doesn't have TB at all.

 

[pl1984]

Uh. You realize that TB3 bandwidth is effectively PCIe 3.0 4x, right? It has 1/4 the speed of a PCIe 3.0 16x slot, but almost nothing saturates that bandwidth. It's standard to put graphics cards in 16x slots, but they're not running at saturation.

None of which changes the fact it has less speed than PCIe 3.0 slots.

Also, please show me a laptop that has convenient external PCIe slots. TB3 brings PCIe speeds to external connectivity.

This is the Mac Pro, a desktop, forum.

 

[mroy16]

None of which changes the fact it has less speed than PCIe 3.0 slots.

PCIe 3.0 slots are connectors. PCIe lanes run at ~1/4 the speed of TB3, so a device using PCIe 1x or 2x will be slower, and a device using 4x will be only slightly faster.

And again, TB3 is an external connector. PCIe is an internal connector. Either explain the point of your comparison or move along.

 

[pl1984]

PCIe 3.0 slots are connectors. PCIe lanes run at ~1/4 the speed of TB3, so a device using PCIe 1x or 2x will be slower, and a device using 4x will be only slightly faster.

And again, TB3 is an external connector. PCIe is an internal connector. Either explain the point of your comparison or move along.

The "comparison" is exactly what h9826790 said:

"What I hate is my computer only has TB 3 but lost the PCIe slots..."

Is there something else you'd like to know?

 

[mroy16]

I'm not aware of any current Apple product line that used to include PCIe slots that now has TB3 instead. Again, TB3 is an external connector, which is more useful for portable or sealed AIO computers.

My original point about PCIe bandwidths still stands. Other than peak throughput on high performance graphics cards, almost no everyday user needs bandwidth above PCIe 3.0 4x, and even those graphics cards work almost identically when restricted to 4x or 8x.

You shifted your argument from one about bandwidth to one about variety of connectors. My argument has been consistently that TB3 is speed-comparable to PCIe 3.0 4x and is a uniquely high-speed external connector. If you'd like to actually address these points, please do so.

 

[pl1984]

I'm not aware of any current Apple product line that used to include PCIe slots that now has TB3 instead. Again, TB3 is an external connector, which is more useful for portable or sealed AIO computers.

The nMP uses TB as a replacement for PCIe. Or are you going to be pedantic and argue it has TB2 and not TB3?

 

[mroy16]

Given that this is a thread specifically about TB3, it's hardly pedantic to focus on TB3 instead of TB2. I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, other than being unnecessarily argumentative.

 

[AidenShaw]

Given that this is a thread specifically about TB3, it's hardly pedantic to focus on TB3 instead of TB2. I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, other than being unnecessarily argumentative.

And it's not pedantic to repeat the statement that PCIe is four times faster than TB3.

Four. Times. Faster.

 

[pl1984]

Given that this is a thread specifically about TB3, it's hardly pedantic to focus on TB3 instead of TB2. I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, other than being unnecessarily argumentative.

Given no MP utilizes TB3 I fail to see what you're trying to accomplish here.