Why do the "tolerant" folk hate religious people on MR?

[countryside]

I see so many posts on MacRumors where the so-called "woke" and tolerant talk about how this forum would be a MUCH better place without religious people or people that believe in God. Is this permissible language? What if someone said the same thing about other protected classes?

 

[ian87w]

Because they are NOT tolerant, simple as that. And this is not about religious or not. That's irrelevant. Intolerant people are intolerant people, regardless. It's beyond logic, but zero integrity has become acceptable due to many leaders having zero integrity as well. So now it is okay to claim one thing while behaving the exact opposite, as long as you're loud enough.

PS: this can (will) become PRS fairly quickly though... 😂

 

[poorcody]

Could you provide links to a few of these posts?

 

[turbineseaplane]

This feels like a topic that really isn't allowed anymore

 

[Phil A.]

Mod Note
I am closing this thread until it has been reviewed by the administrators as it seems likely to descend into PRSI territory very quickly. In general, if you see posts that you feel are breaking the rules for any reason, you should report them

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
Thread has been reopened, please discuss the topic

where the so-called "woke" and tolerant talk about how this forum would be a MUCH better place without religious people or people that believe in God

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[Scepticalscribe]

Because religious belief can be used as an excuse (supported by what is claimed are the words, or beliefs, or writings, of something - or someone - or someones - deemed divine) to suppress or deny rights to others, that is, groups in a culture or society that have been traditionally deprived of rights with religious belief used as the justification for doing so.

Having said that, I do think that the title in question is both too broad, and too general, - not all "tolerant" folk would hold such opinions, or views, for example, - and the use of the verb "hate" is, I would respectfully submit, a little too strong, in the circumstances.

"Dislike", or "despise" (on occasion) or "distrust" would seem to me to be somewhat more accurate.

 

[I7guy]

I think it's the opposite of the above post. Sometimes religious folks can come off as creepy and that makes them an easy target due to their behavior.

 

[casperes1996]

Because religious belief can be used as an excuse (supported by what is claimed are the words, or beliefs, or writings, of something - or someone - or someones - deemed divine) to suppress or deny rights to others, that is, groups in a culture or society that have been traditionally deprived of rights with religious belief used as the justification for doing so.

Having said that, I do think that the title in question is both too broad, and too general, - not all "tolerant" folk would hold such opinions, or views, for example, - and the use of the verb "hate" is, I would respectfully submit, a little too strong, in the circumstances.

"Dislike", or "despise" (on occasion) or "distrust" would seem to me to be somewhat more accurate.

You're right that all of this can happen.
I'd like to take a step back however and question the original premise instead. While ScepticalScribe makes some general arguments to explain the perception the OP has, it's not reasonable to be expected to argue context-free premise.

I'd say the OP first needs to give examples for perceived intolerance towards religion by self-proclaimed tolerant people. Because in some circumstances it may simply be that the person is not tolerant and is a bit of a bell-end and disrespectful towards religion, while in other circumstances it may be that the religious person is out of line and disrespectful towards someone else and just gets called out for that behaviour.

If I ask why the Earth is flat, you may very well give reasons why the world might turn out flat in some alternate universe given certain conditions, but it is the central premise that must first be examined.
We cannot speak to the tolerance and potential reasonings of behaviours we know nothing about

 

[Apple_Robert]

I see so many posts on MacRumors where the so-called "woke" and tolerant talk about how this forum would be a MUCH better place without religious people or people that believe in God. Is this permissible language? What if someone said the same thing about other protected classes?

Having faith (of some kind) and sharing that experience or belief on MR does not put on in a "protected class," in my opinion. The "protection" as you call it, is really just a matter of members here respecting the rules and posting to one another in a civil manner even when there is disagreement. When there is a violation of a rule, action is taken. It isn't about protecting those of faith from those who do not believe, in my opinion.

Respect each other and the rules here. If one sees a post that appears to be out of line, report it to the mods.

 

[OriginalAppleGuy]

Not sure I see it the same way. Religious people tend not to be the tolerant ones in my eyes. I've been there. Used to buy what one religion said it offered. It is indoctrinated in you, no matter the religion, that it's way is the only way and you have to turn others to your religion or they are bad. Then I saw religion for what it was. A man made thing like everything else. The people who preach, don't live up to what they preach. They may for a short time, but eventually, they do what humans do. It's all over the place. But - of course, they can repent and everything is fine, right? Nope.

I often hear Christians, for example, consistently say they are under attack. People chastise them. But what's funny is, it's usually after they try to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats. I don't want to say "God bless America" and believe in it. But if I don't, I'm chastised for it? Prayer in school? Only Christian Prayer - right? No - we don't need it. We don't need religion. All of them share the same traits. Enough good to make them seem like they are okay, but overall, they are not. They pit people against each other.

If you want to believe in a religion, fine. But don't treat me differently because I no longer do. Don't tell me my kids have to adhere to your religion while in a public place either. If you do, then maybe you'll feel like the OP when I'm done with you.

 

[ian87w]

I have a feeling that this thread is better closed than opened... 😂 The direction of the discussion are already veering outside the context of the forum.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I have a feeling that this thread is better closed than opened... 😂 The direction of the discussion are already veering outside the context of the forum.

Not necessarily.

A question was asked by the OP - albeit perhaps couched, expressed, or framed in rather robust terms - and I attempted to proffer an answer to that question.

 

[turbineseaplane]

What did the "R" in PRSI stand for?
Totally mystified why this thread is being allowed.

Would you allow a user to ask the inverse with something like the following?

I see so many posts on MacRumors where the so-called "pro-life religious" folks talk about how accepting and tolerant they are yet they say that this forum would be a MUCH better place without non-religious people or people that do not believe in God. Is this permissible language? What if someone said the same thing about other protected classes?

 

[JayAgostino]

I see so many posts on MacRumors where the so-called "woke" and tolerant talk about how this forum would be a MUCH better place without religious people or people that believe in God. Is this permissible language? What if someone said the same thing about other protected classes?

I find it interesting that you bring this up. Are you religious and were personally offended enough to create this thread?

Where are these posts that you’re talking about? I’ve seen some posts here that have criticized evangelicalism due to its right-leaning view (especially in regards to Donald Trump), but nothing out of the ordinary. Whether or not you lean left or right on the political spectrum, I think it can be agreed that we should all respect each other.

 

[Boyd01]

MODERATOR NOTE: thread has been locked again, pending further review by the site administrators.